Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

She was 40.

All these legal experts on here.

You are wrong.

It says

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had recommended she receive only a caution.
However, London's Met Police appealed against the CPS decision which resulted in her facing a charge of assault by beating.

So the police DO influence charges and they CAN get someone charged.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-statement-relation-case-against-caroline-flack

After the recommendation was made to caution Caroline, the police immediately appealed this initial decision. They felt that a caution was not appropriate in this case.
Under the Directors Guidance on Charging, police can raise an appeal if they disagree with a CPS decision. This is then escalated to a CPS legal manager.
A legal manager reviewed the case and the representations made by the police. They concluded that the initial decision was wrong and that charges should be authorised against Caroline.
Simple cautions are rarely appropriate in cases of domestic violence and abuse.
They also require a person accused of such an offence to make an admission of guilt. As Caroline had not provided a clear and reliable admission of guilt in this case, a use of caution was deemed not appropriate.

You have a very short memory because Cheryl absolutely was attacked left, right and centre by the press and branded a racist; the key difference was social media wasn’t as prevalent as it was pre-smartphone then and she basically weathered the storm.

The assault is basically why Cheryl never went back to using Tweedy after she divorced Ashley.

As Caroline had not provided a clear and reliable admission of guilt in this case, a use of caution was deemed not appropriate.

That was specifically the part that her mother and other experts said was very wrong.

They decided to charge her because she hadn't admitted guilt.

Yet in her initial police statement she admits guilt 12 times. She is recorded as saying things like "i did it im so sorry" . "I have never done that before " etc

How does that make sense

I remember Cheryl going on BBC breakfast to give a grovelling apology! Or did I dream that?

Exactly. The Detective pushed and pushed the CPS to prosecute after they had decided not to BECAUSE of the mistaken idea she hadn't admitted guilt, without interviewing her or even seemingly reading the notes.

The CPS didn't just decide to do that off their own volition.

They were going to give her a caution.

They changed their mind and charged her because caroline didnt admit guilt.

It is on record that caroline did admit guilt.

If I was her mother, I would sue them for malpractice.

Op this will be my final post. You need to stop. Your legal ‘analysis’ is factually confused and inaccurate. This is all fanning the flames of a witch hunt of a detective that has been cleared of any misconduct. I understand that you feel sorry for Caroline, I do as well, she clearly had demons. But this isn’t the answer, and her mum should not be encouraged to continue this witch hunt via an army of internet ‘support’ from people who doesn’t have any kind of grasp on the legal system.

But why does it matter to you? Why are you going to bat for a woman who assaulted her partners, regardless of whether she managed to injure him or not?

It’s highly unlikely I’d ever be able to physically injure my partner as he’s much stronger than me, but if I tried to assault him… I still would have been abusive. The attempt would still be there even if unsuccessful.

Show me your source that she has been cleared of misconduct.

When I go online - What I see is

"Met police issue an apology to Caroline Flack's mother for failures"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64618980.amp

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) carried out a review after complaints from the late television presenter's mother.
The review "did not identify any misconduct" in the Met's decision.

No doubt you’ll find another reason as to why the IOPC is wrong as well!

I think there is a level of assault and some assaults are worse than others.

A policewoman on the documentary said that if we push someone that is classified as assault.

So many people have pushed me in my life.

What Caroline did was bad. I agree.

But hitting someone with a phone to wake them up, is not as bad as punching someone into unconciousness

You just posted what I said. I said the Met police had to apologise to Caroline Flack's mother

That article says

"The IOPC also asked the Met to apologise to Ms Flack's family about there not being a record of the rationale to appeal the CPS decision.

Assault is assault. There are no subcategories of ‘assault’. The sentencing guidelines will encourage a more punitive sentence according to the degree of harm but no, there are no ‘levels of assault’ legally speaking. If the harm caused is worse than that caused by assault then you would be looking at Actual Bodily Harm or even Grievous Bodily Harm.

Luckily the law doesn’t only prosecute once somebody ‘punches somebody into unconsciousness’

So if someone pushed you in a nightclub, would you charge them with assault?

Apparantly a push is assault

You asked for evidence the detective was cleared of malpractice.

I gave it to you.

Now you’re trying to confuse it with something completely different which is an apology for effectively an administrative error.

You don’t actually need to harm somebody to assault them, just put them in fear of being harmed. If I raised a fist to you, and you believed I was about to punch you, that is assault.

I disagree.

In that documentary, a police officer said that if someone pushes us, its classified as assuault.

If someone pushed me I wouldnt report them for assault. If someone punched me I would report them for assault.

You can disagree all you like, you can even disagree that the sun rises in the morning. But fact is fact.

But it doesn’t matter whether she chucked the phone full force or not. It’s assault.

Would you show the same bizarre amount of sympathy for a man who assaulted his wife, experienced the consequences of said assault and then moved on to harming himself?

Yes it’s a tragedy all around, but no one’s fault except her own, really. Poor MH combined with poor lifestyle choices will culminate in tragedy.

No. Opinion also plays a part. It is people who decide what to report to police or not

But this was reported to the police.

I would have reported my partner hitting me as well. Assault isn’t any better when it’s female on male violence.

And the Met apologising for an admin error isn’t the same as them admitting they made the wrong decision.

I do have sympathy for her. She found out he was cheating, she lost her temper. She shouldnt have done it. But I can see how it happened in the moment. I actually know a couple where the woman found out he was cheating. She slapped him twice. She shouldnt have done it and she regretted it after. But in the moment, she was hurt.

I don't agree with assault obviously.

But I also don't see people that commit assault as - evil.

Cheryl Tweedy committed assault. Do any of us see her as evil?

Or do we see her as someone who was drunk and lost her temper?

Caroline didnt have a pattern of abusing him. He didnt want any of the charges to happen.

She lost her life. Its sad.

The question is whether this detective pushed because Caroline was famous, so yes I think that was why she did it. She made it sound as if she hadn't ever admitted guilt and kept going to the CPS. Now the IOPC is backing her, as it does so often unless things are caught on camera and indefensible it seems, so police want us to leave the Detective alone. But why does she not have to justify why she did her job to the very extreme end in a case that was clearly not a hugely violent attack and the CPS had decided to drop. The press hounded Caroline because of this woman changing that, so why does she think her actions don't make a difference to the outcome? Of course she contributed to Flack's poor mental health.