Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

Poor Caroline. I think she was a very sensitive woman that clearly had fragile mental health. I really miss her. She was full of life, had fantastic energy and was a great personality. Her death, as a fellow young woman who grew up watching her, has really affected me. I don’t know her personally, but I find it deeply sad and moving. It all seemed hugely disproportionate the way that the CPS, police and media treated her. God bless her soul.

None of that stops here from being someone that committed DV on her sleeping partner.

Domestic violence is a pattern of abuse. I don’t get that impression from this case. It seemed an isolated incident. I wouldn’t necessarily class her as an abuser, and it was this attitude that led to her unnecessary suicide. I really don’t like your response to my message.

So how many times must someone be beaten before it is DV?
What damage must be done before its DV?

and it was this attitude that led to her unnecessary suicide.

It was her decisions that led to her suicide

I really don’t like your response to my message.

Is that because I am not excusing DV?

Women’s aid says it can be one incident, it doesn’t have to be a pattern of behaviour. Even if it’s only once, it’s still domestic violence,

Because of your tone. I wrote a nice message about someone that I like who is otherwise deceased and you wanted to ruin it. This is a toxic thread. I’m out

So the truth is now toxic. Who knew?

Have a great day.

passive aggressive 🙄🙄🙄

Honestly… have you seen the documentary or even care about CF’s mum or friends? Absolutely not. The guy didn’t want to prosecute and there’s a woman who is dead now. Presenters like Huw Edward’s were not treated like this and he watched child porn. People on this thread need a word with themselves. Probably get a kick out of being goady towards others and on a thread like this. Vile creatures.

There is no such thing as child porn. It is child abuse. I really wish people would stop using the term child porn 😡

Christine has also changed the narrative from a previous documentary she did e.g Caroline’s mh, history and even who found her body. I have immense sympathy for Christine and can’t imagine what she is going through but I really don’t think these documentaries are helping her.

Christine has tried to change the narrative about this and has also said that the friends were to blame.

The best thing that Christine could do is stop making documentaries and get some therapy for herself.

If she hadn't brought this up again it would be history and no-one would be commenting on it.

For myself and others we are not being goady, we are not allowing posters to change the truth so that they can make someone in to a victim when they are clearly not the victim. You and others are trying very hard to remove Caroline's agency pushing her actions on to someone else, which is (in your words) vile.

It must be very hard to acknowledge a member of one’s family was an abuser. Especially if that person is no longer around. But Caroline was very troubled and it was left to her friends to look after her because her own mum wasn’t (don’t know why) and her own twin sister was quite distant from her.

People aren’t all bad. Nobody is saying Caroline was evil or anything like that. But she did domestically abuse her partner (on one occasion that we know about) that doesn’t mean she wasn’t kind and loving in other areas of her life. She wasn’t forced to end her own life. She chose to rather than face up to the consequences of her actions and do the work to get her mh and her career back on track (both of which would have been possible)

I’ve seen the documentary. I feel for her mum and friends, you would have to be a monster not to. But it doesn’t change the facts. She did hit him. Victims do not and should not get the final decision on whether someone is prosecuted, for good reason.

Huw Edward’s got a lot of shit online, all deserved, and I’m sure most would like to have seen him imprisoned. He did plead guilty though, unlike Caroline. We will never know what would have been the outcome for Caroline if the trial had gone ahead.

But there is. Child porn is child abuse unless it involves serruptitious pictures of normal things that the victim never becomes aware of. Not all child abuse is child porn. A person who doesn’t shareholder images of their activities is not creating porn.

Nobody (including the police in official terms) uses the term child porn anymore. It is child sexual abuse. Or images of child sex abuse. Or videoes/recordings of child sex abuse.

Child porn is outdated teminology. Thankfully. It is now called child sexuality abuse, because that is what it is.

But they do, lots of people. Do a Google on "child pornography lawyer" and see how many lawyers will defend a suspect. The word is still obviously in common use and everyone knows what it means.

But it's not the whole story, it's it? You can have child sexual abuse without porn. I think you'll find most people out in the real world will still be calling it porn while recognising it as abusive.

There are a lot of words in common use that shouldn’t be and are rarely used in the public domain.
Find one news report that uses the term ‘child porn’ in recent years.
It is offensive and language has evolved. Many victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation state they don’t like the term child porn/kiddy porn.

To my own disgust I did just google child pornography lawyers and unsurprisingly they are all defence lawyers.

This is derailing the thread so not responding any further but please stop using an offensive term.

I wrote in to one of my favourite podcasts about 3 years ago about them using that term. I was really surprised to hear it on such a well researched programme.

Just because people know what it means doesn’t mean it’s acceptable anymore. Anyone that is having to look for one of those lawyers, well they’re probably not the best people to base your thought process on.

So because Lewis didn't prosecute we excuse her behaviour?

Nothing excuses domestic abuse, not someone's mental health, not someone's celebrity status, not whether the abused pressed charges. She took the cowards way out, like so many manipulative abusers, it's their final act of control.

It's attitudes like this that make abusers think they can get away with it and why so many abused won't tell anyone.

I've lived with the shame of being abused and the fear that no one would believe me for years, I've only ever told one person that my ex was abusive towards me, never pressed charges, never went to the police until he threatened my life (the police's term). So in some people's eyes it didn't happen or only happened once.

My sympathy will always be with Lewis and her friends and family. Not with Caroline.

Still don’t see her as a domestic abuser. Such a stretch given the evidence. Think it’s wrong to label her as such.

Most abuse doesn't happen the once. The one time that gets reported to the police is usually the final straw.

Unless you know the ins and outs of her relationship with Lewis you cannot say it only happened the once and it wasn't domestic abuse, just like I can't say it happened more than once. As a DA survivor I can probably say in my experience, it happened more than once.