Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

They worded that report to make them look in the best light.

It says

The IOPC also asked the Met to apologise to Ms Flack's family about there not being a record of the rationale to appeal the CPS decision.

This makes it sounds like they just forgot to make a record of the rationale to appeal the CBS decision.

They did in fact make a record of their rationale to appeal the CPS decision, at the time, but what she wrote in the record was a lie. It wasnt true.

So instead of apologising about their "not being a record". They should have apologised for the "completely inaccurate and misleading record"

Didn’t he also the send the blood soaked photo to his friend? It was clearly a toxic relationship.
I don’t know why Christine has brought it up again nearly 6 years later - I don’t see what good it will do her.

He’s now engaged with a baby (or 2)

Yes and his "friend" sold the photo to the press.

It could have been him that sold it. We don't know

Oh I dont know. We cant change it now. RIP Caroline

Andrew should be left out of this. He has clearly moved on. Good for him as he is the victim here, not Flack.

I don't know why you keep comparing her to Cheryl, it was a completely different situation, not domestic violence.
Cheryl pleaded guilty held her hands up and apologised.

I also think there's a certain irony in going after the police officer in this way.

If she kills herself because she's now under immense scrutiny from the press and threads like this, will we then all have to say 'she just made a mistake' and there was no need?

I really fail to see how this makes things better for anyone involved.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Except that you seem to have missed out that he was asleep in bed when she hit with an object after going through his phone.

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police.

Did he? or is this just another possible fact?

He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

Good for him

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Then maybe should not have hit him.

I can’t comment on this case specifically and I would be very wary of any assertions in the news or from her mum about ‘what was in the evidence’ without seeing it verbatim and having it officially confirmed.

In a speculative way there can be reasons why what appears as an admission might be undermined:

1. The admission was made but then retracted and they plead not guilty
2. The admission was half hearted ‘yes I hit her, it wasn’t that hard, and didn’t cause that mark’
3. The admission changes and isn’t reliable - admitting to one thing one minute, then changing the next
4. Admitting it but not really showing remorse and not showing understanding of the impact on the victim

Who knows what played out here, but the reasons above are just speculative on my part.

I would also be wary of focussing too much on this 1 point - the admission, or lack of, is just one thing that may be taken into account when deciding whether a caution is acceptable. As I said before DV cases are only very rarely suitable for a caution.

I watched the documentary and totally understand why it needed to be made. Basically, it’s assumed that Caroline took her own life because the thought of going to court and the bodycam footage of her bleeding profusely and in a total state of breakdown becoming public, was too much humiliation to bear.

Caroline’s mum acknowledged she (Caroline) had struggled with mental health most of her life and at one point it was suggested she might have bipolar disorder.

Considering her boyfriend wasn’t injured (paramedics attended and there was a photo of a very small nick on his head), it’s hard to see why it was in the public interest to push this one forward.

If anything the documentary is a commentary on ‘trial by media’. Media which published the photos of the blood, knowing it wasn’t the boyfriend’s blood have a lot to answer for. That led to Caroline being relentlessly hounded online and she had to go into hiding (was on suicide watch with friends taking it in turns to be with her) until it all blew over. The Press has a lot to answer for.

There’s no doubt she was a complicated and vulnerable person - fame was probably the last thing she needed - but honestly, I think her death was directly linked to the merciless hounding.

It is not completely different. They were both charged with assault.

OP you are desperately grasping for excuses for Flacks actions here.
I'm assuming you have struck a partner/partner with an object when you've "lost control"?

Did she give a clear and consistent admission of guilt, or did she - as someone suggested - claim it was an "accident"?

ididntexpectthat · Today 15:21

Considering her boyfriend wasn’t injured (paramedics attended and there was a photo of a very small nick on his head), it’s hard to see why it was in the public interest to push this one forward.

The 'I didn't hit him that hard' defence. always good to see the classics.

Where exactly am I grasping for excuses for her behaviour? Show me.

I am sure I wrote "i don't agree with assault. She shouldn't have done it" etc.

The cps also wrote something similiar in their initial charging report though..

There are other ways to wake someone up without hitting them with a phone! Face it - she assaulted her boyfriend whilst he was sleeping and vulnerable.

What followed - his calling the police, her self harm, her admission of guilt, his not wanting to ‘press charges’ - indicate domestic abuse and suggest that caution had been inappropriate - as it usually is in such cases even where the perpetrator is a minor celebrity.

It is far more likely that the early recommendation of caution was letting her off lightly due to celebrity status and that this led to press and social media backlash.

Suicide does not turn an offender into a victim.

But it wasnt that bad...

But he didnt want to press charges...

But she had mental health issues...

But Cheryl did it too...

What about the questions? 🤔

I wonder would we all be as ambiguous if a male celebrity hit his sleeping partner over the head with a phone and the police decided to pursue it?

Caroline Flack was undoubtedly troubled, and I'm sure could also be a lovely person, whilst still being in the wrong for acting violently towards someone. And also wronged by the press pile on. Its not black and white.

However, nothing is to be gained by her mum doing this - and certainly nothing positive for the victim of the assault having it played out again.

Whilst i dont think this documentary has done any favours to Caroline or Christine what it does throw up is the complex thoughts for survivors of suicide - whilst it is not a race to the bottom it does leave the family behind with a whole special kind of hell that other deaths don’t. I say this as a member of this unfortunate club. You want somebody to blame and you want to be told you could not have prevented it.

Surely it’s the intention, or lack of it, behind the push that matters. If someone pushes up against you in a nightclub that’s likely to be accidental. But if you get into an argument with someone and you deliberately push them in anger, then that seems like assault to me.

Why did she date harry styles, 15? Years her junior. Andrew was 11 years her junior. Lewis was 15 years her junior. The only people I know who consistently date much younger partners are domestic abusers.

On another thread about this I called Caroline a young woman - I was shocked when other posters said she was 40. There was definitely an immaturity about her.

Well quite. Should you be able to go around pushing people with impunity? An elderly lady? A person standing on the edge of a crowded train platform? A small child? Somebody with a disability? Any force designed to harm somebody, or put them in fear they might be harmed, is illegal for a reason.

So if in your opinion she assaulted him, why do you think she shouldn’t have been charged?