Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

CPS were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

I watched episode 1 last night, and what i mostly took from it was the mum's grief: guilt and anger. She's understandably stuck in her grief.

I felt very sad for everyone involved in that situation: Caroline, her family, her friends, her boyfriend, the detective who made the decision, police who attended. Everyone would have been impacted.

Love the clarity you bring to this topic.

Feel very sad for Flack's family , none the less the law is there to protect everyone.

Obviously it’s sad that she killed herself but I don’t think anyone can assault someone and complain about being charged, even if another officer would have made a different charging decision.

This is sad for her family of course but she was just a B list celebrity to most of us so not sure why it keeps getting raked up all these years later.

Christine also said that her other daughter found Caroline dead- this is not true. It was a friend who is no longer in contact with Christine. I think it’s a whole sorry sordid mess but I don’t think this documentary has done Caroline’s family favours. Her own twin sister admitted she believed what the headlines were and had n’t spoken to Caroline about it much. It’s like Caroline’s friends were left to support her but where were her family?

i remember the outcry at the time and a lot of people defending Caroline, but also alot of people saying that if a man had assaulted a female, then they would have been prosecuted, so therefore the police were right to proceed.

I haven’t watched the documentary, and do not plan to.

The original case: the part that resonated with me was that after he had contacted the police, she harmed herself. My abusive ex used to do this. Whenever he went ‘too far’ with me, he would then somehow hurt himself. It was as though that nullified what he had done to me. ‘Yes, I’ve hurt you, but look what I’ve done to myself’, Sort of thing.

I think she was abusive. I doubt it was the first time as well.

I don’t think the mother had any idea what was going on. Of course she is grieving, it get that 100 per cent but if you’re coming home at 5.30am it’s likely you haven’t just been drinking. Caroline had mental health problems but was pushed into the limelight when she possibly shouldn’t have been. Also, her lifestyle no doubt didn’t help with her demons. A friend of mine was very similar (not in the public eye). Fell in love with any bloke that paid her attention. Heavy drinking. Not much eating. Blew up at the slightest imagined grievance. Got violent on occasions. Ended up hanging herself. X

It shows on the documentary - a police report stating that he was not injured.

What police report are you looking at that says he was injured?

Caroline’s mum seems to be desperately searching for a ‘conspiracy’ that will absolve her daughter of any wrongdoing. This ‘conspiracy’ hinges on the detective who referred the case for appeal only doing this because of Caroline’s ‘status’.

Police appealing charging decisions is very common, it is their right to do so, and yes sometimes this results in a case being reviewed and a different decision reached. Lawyers can have ‘off days’ and upon review their decision isn’t quite right, and it is very rare in itself for domestic violence to lead to a caution. Nothing about what happened is remotely suspicious to anyone who works in the criminal legal system.

Caroline’s mum is misrepresenting what happened and leaving out critical facts that don’t support her narrative. I don’t want to criticise her too much as a grieving mother but we are years down the line now and I feel for the detective who is being misrepresented in this endless commentary.

Very poor taste this thread.

Does it really matter whether you were injured or not? At the end of the day someone tried to assault you.

I've not watched it as don't have Disney but heard her mum talking about it on Radio 4. It does sound like they decided to charge her because the detective who came on duty knew who she was - she didn't even interview her herself but said it was because Caroline didn't admit what she had done. However the first thing on the police's notes from the night were her admitting it but saying it was an accident. It seems he had a mark that may possibly have caused a small bruise. I know from experience that the police will let people go with a caution for far far more aggressive and threatening behaviour. It does therefore seem her fame had an impact on the police decision.

It is sad all round. It is also interesting that Cheryl Cole - was convicted of assault and didn't lose her job. It didnt impacy her career in any way

Caroline Flack was charged with assault and lost her job. She felt that she had lost it all. And there was no way out.

Why did she get such a hard time for assaulting someone, and cheryl didn't.

I will also add that the police don’t “press charges” or decide whether the case is prosecuted either.

they present their case file to CPS, who then decide whether charges will be brought.

Yes of course it matters.

On the first CPS report on the case it literally says the words "we have decided not to charge her as the victim was not injured"

It was on the documentary that Caroline hitting him on the head with a phone caused a cut and bleeding to his skin on his head but that he did not require medical attention but that the blood on the bed in the photos that were sold to the scum was Caroline’s from her self harming.

She didn't have the same job as Cheryl, it wasn't the same people making that decision. That's like asking why Barclays fired Joe Bloggs but M&S didn't fire Sheila for something vaguely similar.

It is all very sad. She clearly had mental health and esteem issues. I will never not find it bizarre that a 32 year old woman dated a 17 year old boy. The fact that she found enough in common with him to spend all that time with him suggests to me she was perhaps emotionally immature.

I also mean why did the public give Caroline much more of a hard time than they gave Cheryl.

Cheryl was forgiven for assault. She went on to be the nation's darling

People were seriously attacking and trolling Caroline Flack online about the assault. Calling her a domestic abuser, evil etc

In this case though the CPS initially said not to charge then this detective went back to them to change their mind because she said Caroline hadn't admitted that she was guilty.

Yes the Detective wrote in the report that Caroline should be charged, as she hadn't admitted guilt.

When in the initial police notes, it shows Caroline admitting guilt 12 times

Cheryl Cole wasn’t a domestic abuse situation (not saying that is better) and was still very much at the start of her career whilst Caroline was at the height of hers. also the press had possibly been gunning for Caroline and knew of her mh issues etc so went all out when the story broke - I could be wrong.

Again, it is not the police’s decision to charge. It is the CPS. The Criminal Prosecution Service. Clues in the title.

so the police officer knowing who she was would not be relevant. The only thing they could have done would possibly put more resources into the investigation.

police investigate. They don’t prosecute.

The Cheryl assault happened in 2003, social media was very much in it's infancy and I don't think the term cancel culture had even been invented at that point. Caroline's incident happened 13 years later in what was digitally a very different world.
I do think this is an example of the evil side to social media and the news online. Caroline couldn't close the door on what was being said about her. Cheryl was probably much more able to drown out the noise back then because there was less of it and it was less constant.

Still the CPS decision to charge though.

To add to this I also think people saw that Cheryl was a 20 year old girl just thrown into the media very suddenly. Where Caroline was a 32 year old woman we had seen in the headlines for years and years and the public had a perception of her as a bit drinker etc rightly or wrongly.