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Parental order for donor embryo

331 replies

KazBuck · 30/12/2024 14:35

Ok I was wondering if anyone can give me advice. I was thinking to use a surrogate with a donor embryo but when looking at getting a parental order the child must be biologically related to the intended parents… Surely there must be a way around this ? I know I should speak to a solicitor and I’m waiting on a call just wondered if anyone has any experience with this topic x

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Soontobe60 · 31/12/2024 10:01

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:44

Really well I beg to differ if that friend chooses to do that It’s her choice And why would you assume it effects her financially …

Your naivety is gobsmacking!
What if your friend had to have time off work for pregnancy related illness? Start mat leave early? Was too unwell to return to work? Pay for all the hospital appointments? Pay for all the legal paperwork:

Wimbledonmum1985 · 31/12/2024 10:01

BananaNirvana · 31/12/2024 09:05

That’s a little disingenuous - adoption is fraught with difficulties, dealing with children who potentially have a lot of issues and birth parents who may appear in their children’s lives when they’re older. OP’s option, while I don’t necessarily agree with it, would come with far fewer obstacles than an adoption.

‘Far fewer obstacles’? For whom I might ask?

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 10:03

Pandasnacks · 31/12/2024 09:38

If you are fully aware then stop lying that no money would be exchanged. Advice about the ethics IS helpful, and people not considering them is one of the reasons why surrogacy can be an awful process that exploits women and babies. Your situation may not be like that but you are just pretending the issue is simpler than it is which isn’t right.

Money exchanging between a clinic and a person is somewhat different than money being exchanged between a surrogate and an intended parent …. And surrogacy is rarely about exploiting anyone Well not in UK I don’t believe… It’s considered by many as a act of kindness

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InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:03

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:46

But what if she is not working and already has maternity clothes But just wants to give her friend the blessing of having a child for no monetary gain ???

And this lovely friend will stay in your life presumably and your baby's life as they grow up. Could you imagine a situation in which your child starts to think of your friend as their real mother? In which they feel anger or resentment towards you or towards your friend for doing this to them? What if your friend feels maternal towards the child and changes her mind? What if she doesn't change her mind but always has a sense of ownership over your child? What if she tries to interfere with your upbringing of your child because she disagrees with how you do it? What if she decides she wants a legal role in your child's life and applies to court for contact against your wishes? I don't know of any precedent but if she's had a major role in your child's life and you then fall out I can very well see a court granting her contact because of the identity link to your child. Have you considered any of this? And what if your friend has a birth injury? Or post natal depression or psychosis? What if she develops ovarian cancer down the line as a result of the fertility drugs she'll need to take to carry your child? Any of this crossed your mind?

DowntonCrabbie · 31/12/2024 10:04

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:24

My health issues are of no concern to you But if there were issues with creating an embryo from donor eggs and sperms it would not be legal But it is !!! Plus different countries have different Laws regarding surrogacy. I have every right to not want to adopt even if I’m able to ….

Legality is not a measure of what is ok. And what you want to do is not legal anyway, luckily.

I don't see where you've said why the intended child wouldn't be biologically related to your partner...is there no father here?

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:04

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:54

Who is to say I’ve not thought about ethics … but ethics are individual and not general !!!

You've misunderstood the concept of ethics if you don't think they are generalised.

NorthernGirl1981 · 31/12/2024 10:05

And as the baby grows up are you going to tell them that your best friend is actually their mother from a biological perspective? Are you going to let them have a relationship? Don’t you worry about the possible repercussions of that?

And what if your friend bonds with the baby as it grows inside her? Do you think she’ll just happily watch you raise the baby that she grew and birthed?

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:05

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:58

In adoption & surrogacy you gain parental rights often with no biological or genetic relationship … it’s a complexed subject and I was simply asking for knowledge on the subject

And you're receiving a lot of knowledge but you don't like what you're hearing

Pandasnacks · 31/12/2024 10:06

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 10:03

Money exchanging between a clinic and a person is somewhat different than money being exchanged between a surrogate and an intended parent …. And surrogacy is rarely about exploiting anyone Well not in UK I don’t believe… It’s considered by many as a act of kindness

Rarely about exploiting anyone?? Are you serious? Of course not in all cases but you are so ignorant on the subject it’s unbelievable

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 10:06

CandyLeBonBon · 31/12/2024 09:48

@KazBuck and what if she suffers birth injuries. Or worse? You're looking at it through rose tinted glasses. In these scenarios you very have to look at worst case scenarios and the effect of unintended consequences. Otherwise you're just woefully naive

I don’t care to converse with you beyond this Advice and information you are not providing Just overbearing opinions !!!

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InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:07

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 10:06

I don’t care to converse with you beyond this Advice and information you are not providing Just overbearing opinions !!!

'Lalalalalalala I can't hear you'

Pandasnacks · 31/12/2024 10:09

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 09:54

Who is to say I’ve not thought about ethics … but ethics are individual and not general !!!

No actually a lot are general

SouthernFashionista · 31/12/2024 10:09

@KazBuck you are either genuinely thick as a plank or just goading. I’m not sure you should be considering procreating in any shape or form.

AusMumhere · 31/12/2024 10:09

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:07

'Lalalalalalala I can't hear you'

How childish

KazBuck · 31/12/2024 10:10

Soontobe60 · 31/12/2024 10:01

Your naivety is gobsmacking!
What if your friend had to have time off work for pregnancy related illness? Start mat leave early? Was too unwell to return to work? Pay for all the hospital appointments? Pay for all the legal paperwork:

You must be in America !!!

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 31/12/2024 10:10

AusMumhere · 31/12/2024 10:09

How childish

Oh dear, that went right over your head, didn't it?

NorthernGirl1981 · 31/12/2024 10:10

And if your friend already has maternity clothes then I’m assuming she already has young children? How do you plan on explaining it all to them that their brother or sister is going to be handed over to someone else?

What lesson is being taught to these children? That pregnancy/motherhood doesn’t mean anything and infants are free to be passed around?

What if they want a sibling type relationship with the baby? And they want to refer to that infant as their brother or sister? You and your friend can’t forbid her children from seeking that out.

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:11

AusMumhere · 31/12/2024 10:09

How childish

Try reading my post again. It's not me being childish.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/12/2024 10:13

@KazBuck are you not able to carry the donor embryo yourself? any sisters or sisters in law willing to do this for you??

nocoolnamesleft · 31/12/2024 10:14

People have strong opinions because surrogacy is so ethically dodgy both for the woman whose womb is rented, and also for the trafficked baby. In addition, using an egg from a different woman increases the health risks to the gestational mother.

HackGrey · 31/12/2024 10:14

What a nice term, "using" a surrogate.

I with they'd make paid use of women's bodies illegal like prostitution.

ILoveAnnaQuay · 31/12/2024 10:14

@BananaNirvana usually I'd agree with you, but the OP is looking to adopt so people are suggesting she adopts a baby/child that already exists rather than ordering one.

Pandasnacks · 31/12/2024 10:15

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/12/2024 10:13

@KazBuck are you not able to carry the donor embryo yourself? any sisters or sisters in law willing to do this for you??

Read her updates

ColourBlueColourPurple · 31/12/2024 10:16

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 09:10

I sometimes comment on surrogacy threads when they pop up in most active, I don't seek them out, but I'm not going to keep quiet to avoid hurting the feelings of someone who is doing something heinous.

But commenting isn't compulsory.

InkHeart2024 · 31/12/2024 10:17

ColourBlueColourPurple · 31/12/2024 10:16

But commenting isn't compulsory.

Of course it isn't. What's your point? I comment because I want to.