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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: For the Love of Well Dressed Women in Repose

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botemp · 19/03/2021 16:26

Lovers of Parisian style and fashion with a conscious mindset and lots of chatter in between.


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Floisme · 29/04/2021 08:49

I'm kind of chafing against the dressing-for-your-shape thing at the moment. I still think understanding your body, and knowing which bits you want to show off and which you want to disguise is all very useful, I just feel something that used to be a really good tool has become a straightjacket. I wear quite a lot of things that the S&B manual would tell me are wrong: wide legged trousers at 5'3 being one of them. But I'd rather wear clothes I'm drawn to and figure out a way of making them work. Sorry that's not much help to you is it duvet - for what it's worth, I think the jumpsuit looks best in the first pic, but that might be because you look like you might be holding it in place with your hand which gives it quite a nice shape, even if the waist is in the wrong place.

I've been posting and running and barely skimming posts for the last couple of weeks but I woke up early today and caught up. Enjoyed Justine leconte on Cos and I'm still cross with myself for being so late at the party when their heyday's probably already over. I watched the one on Uniqlo too and on how to tell good quality. I do wonder though how honest it's possible to be on YouTube given the power advertisers have on there.
And I frigging loved those Natan dresses - my inner Grace Kelly needs a run out I think (also wrong for my body shape but hey).
And thank you all for pretending not to notice when I got JW Anderson mixed up with Uniqlo U and started whittling about trousers. Again. I think the only JW thing I've ever bought is a scarf.

bani I'm curious to see where you're going with the lace / broderie inserts. Cut-outs seem to be a thing at the moment so a bit of broderie for those of us who don't want to expose skin could be really clever. I enjoyed reading about your great aunts duvet.

Back to body shape: I've no idea what shape Meghan Markle is, or even, to be honest, what her personal style is as I've only ever seen her in photos when she's either Being A Royal or an Ex Royal. I find her a bit of an enigma and I guess she might say the same about the UK. What I mean is, the way she dresses doesn't really tell me much about her but maybe that's the point.

Floisme · 29/04/2021 08:50

Yikes I didn't realise how long that post was!

quirkychick · 29/04/2021 09:49

flo, to quote (albeit probably inaccurately) Justin's new video on mixing metals in jewellery, you need to know the rules to break them Grin. I think they're supposed to be guidelines, so you know why x style looks like y on you, iyswim.

As promised, some not very good photos. Sale purchase Sarah Pacini coatigan in black and white £75 from £300+. It's actually a very fine thread knitted, which is then embroidered with merino/alpaca, very warm and light. I've worn it loads in this current cold, dry, sunny spring.

Levi, black 514 jeans from the charity shop, actually a size up, but nicely, slightly slouchy belted.

Just for the California bodies a Levi California tank Grin. This is not new, but I couldn't resist. For some reason my phone won't show not mirror image, do apologies about the backwards print.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: For the Love of Well Dressed Women in Repose
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: For the Love of Well Dressed Women in Repose
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: For the Love of Well Dressed Women in Repose
botemp · 29/04/2021 10:01

Meh, knowing the rules to break them only goes so far. The ones usually touting that usually have some rules to sell you. Brilliant move with the California top there quirky, coatigan and jeans look good too.

I generally ignore hourglass advice, mostly because it's wrong as hourglass often gets interchanged with curvy. But, WRT checks, I've mentioned it before, it distorts me, I turn into one of those magic eye posters and it's not really about looking heavier or shorter or whatever, it's asymmetric issues, like one boob looking noticeably bigger than the other, or one buttock, it even distorts posture sometimes, it's probably not that noticeable to others but it constantly distracts me and like it or not evolutionarily speaking asymmetry in the body doesn't read well. I had hoped that perfectly pattern matching things would mean I could break the rules but I think I need a diamond pattern to make it work for me.

I agree that the flatter and dress to your shape mantras can be too much like a straight jacket, but as much as that makes me feel all sorts of claustrophobic, I get the sense a lot of people enjoy the rigidness of it, ditto getting your colours done. Obviously there's truth in it all but I think it should be treated as guidance as opposed to rules. I'm not that audience that just wants boxes to tick off though and get dressed with this supposed universal knowledge of good V bad taste, I enjoy talking at ridiculous length and experimenting with disastrous result but can't get around the basics like proportion and colour. I accept that will always be a niche occupation of time wasting that not everyone wants to engage in.

I think that dressing with distance goes for most British Royals though, except unlike MM the boundaries are fairly clear and it reads very much as in function wear. I think MM stood out because she was trying to be both elevated and also personable and it ended up reading as a bit bland and full of not quite successful references to Jackie Kennedy, Grace Kelly, French Vogue editors, etc. and therefore little or any of herself and more like an overstuffed Pinterest board. I can't really say if Diana ever managed that personable/elevated balance in her style as I just don't remember (I actually remember her as a bit of a questionable dresser but I was probably too young) but it seems to be an accepted truth now, but I think that was sort of the goal. Granted I didn't really pay much attention to her much, except whenever something trickled into mainstream news here, which wasn't often, so most of what I've seen of her would have been her early royal life and the departure but it all read as if she was a bit lost and out of her depth but that could very well be me subconsciously marrying her struggles in Royal life with her outfits with hindsight but fairly sure I thought it at the time too.

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quirkychick · 29/04/2021 10:54

bo, definitely guidelines as opposed to rules, I heard a good analogy with painting - showing someone how to mix the colours but not telling them what to paint. I also enjoy experimenting with clothes, but I know some people don't.

I think British Royal Style is probably a minefield! A big part very traditional country, aristocratic, formal with quite a strict dress code, I think. I am old enough to remember Diana, and she certainly epitomised that early 80s style: pie crust shirts, pedal pushers, flicky hair (it doesn't work when you're curly), polka dots. I'm not sure how much she was following fashion or it was following her.

Floisme · 29/04/2021 13:43

Diana's clothes tell such a story. You can see how she had her own style when she was dating Charles but then the Royal Family totally knocked it out of her. I could weep when I see her trussed up in that engagement suit and, to this day, I can't abide a pie crust collar. She wore some absolute shockers but that was part of what made her endearing I think. And then you see her starting to find her feet again after the divorce - that 'fuck you' dress she wore the night Charles did his TV interview still makes me laugh out loud. It was a very public journey which, for all her many flaws, keeps me fond of her.

Redandblue11 · 29/04/2021 15:34

I like slouchy jeans on you quirky.
And great that you have that California tee on. Spot on.
I have no idea what body shape I am...slightly rectangular maybe. Who knows ...
I like clothes too , so sometimes I might not get it ‘right’ as quirky said but I don’t get too concerned about that.

I agree with the observations about Diana. When I was a kid, she visited a hospital in Argentina and my uncle who worked at the hospital at the time in the paediatric intensive care unit met her as she went there and spoke with the staff and children. My uncle came back with the biggest star crush you can imagine. To this date he remembers and describes her as this ‘Angel’ with an intense aura and energy around her with the biggest and more intense eyes he ever saw. I think my uncle just really could not believe that this very attractive royal was talking to them in that very approachable way at the same level as them, specially a British one, when at the time it had been less than ten years since the war so the tensions between Argentina and Britain were still very raw.
I still love hearing him remembering that day Smile

quirkychick · 29/04/2021 22:06

Thanks, red. I have had very similar jeans in the past, notably black Gap real straight ones that I wore until they fell apart.

www.vogue.co.uk/fashion/article/margaret-howell-aw21-interview an article particularly for flo, but probably interesting for others too. How her upbringing post war influenced quality items and wanting more relaxed, practical clothes.

banivani · 30/04/2021 09:33

Duvet lovely story about your lacemaking foremothers. All that under-appreciated skill... so sad!

Bo I know I'm not psychic, the curry colour and lace idea is something I've seen recently on trousers, but I can't remember where. I was so excited by how (relatively) easy it was Grin

Will I be doing it? Probably not. My life is full of things I'd love to do, but I am easily deflated when things go a bit wrong and paralysed to inactivity by all the things in life that have to be done, the neverending list that I can't sort in my head.

Quirky I quite like the jumpsuit too. Always hard to tell off the little photos on MN. But I agree that checks are a bit hard in general.

The other day I wore a teal top I found. Why on Earth have I relegated this to "stuff to get rid of" I thought to myself. It doesn't look too bad at all, waste not want not. Went to work and noticed in the bathroom mirror that the entire left side is holes.

botemp · 30/04/2021 16:51

No, no, no backsies, you've got the touch now Wink

I was browsing through NAP after a disappointing afternoon of promised capitalist bliss (long lines by the door everywhere despite rain so I X-ed out prematurely) and I quite like the use of lace placement in this dress, it's sort of like texture blocking.

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XingMing · 30/04/2021 20:59

Princess Diana, you have to remember, was a shy probably virgin nursery teacher of 19 when she was first touted as Prince Charles' bride. Her first few years were stumbling efforts to learn the code and to wear it right. But by the time she took control, as the marriage was ending, she had grown up big time. She took advice and made clothes and fashion a very potent weapon. I think the Duchess of Cambridge understands the language of clothing equally well, a bit younger. Her outfit for Prince Philip's funeral was stupendous. No wonder MM didn't come back. Comparisons would have been very unpleasant.

Floisme · 01/05/2021 09:45

Yes I thought Kate's funeral outfit was an understated, totally appropriate belter. The mischievous me thinks it's a shame Meghan didn't come but her presence would have eclipsed everything else and even I think that would have been wrong.

quirky thanks for the Margaret Howell article, I hadn't seen it. Very interesting about the post war childhood - I think a lot of them were probably a bit grim.

botemp · 01/05/2021 10:45

You're such a pot stirrer Flo Shock but I appreciate it's all about the ancient Royal art of communicating through dress . Must say the British royal family funerals are a bit anticlimactic compared to ours, they too do the never explain never complain thing here, but at some point they'll do a tell all interview airing all their grievances and 'setting the record straight' on their dodgy business dealings and owning up to their secret out of wedlock children that will get released after their death/funeral making that whole don't speak ill of the death work for them so the philandering husband becomes that old rascal, ahhh Confused

Change of topic before we get overrun with the pro and anti MM factions on here. I found a new YouTube channel that sort of does the same thing as KarenBritChick what are you wearing in New York videos but in London, they're shorter but more frequent and I find it quite interesting as they go area by area and even though everyone looks interesting it sort of proves the point Flo (I think) makes on threads about regional styles that London is quite uniform if you look close enough but there's some great unique dressers in there too. Shorter and less polished than Karen's but I think I actually prefer the more raw format of it.

youtube.com/c/unknownvlogs

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Floisme · 01/05/2021 15:19

Ok regarding MM, I'll confine myself to observing that she appeared even less prepared for royal life than Diana was, for which I think Harry has to take some responsibility, and that she was at times treated appallingly by the media but also that (at least around these parts) there was tremendous goodwill towards her from the general public because Harry was Diana's son, and that about 100,000 ordinary people made the trek to Windsor on her wedding day just to stand around waiting to wish her well, and that it would be nice to see them acknowledged at some point.

Moving on quickly, I enjoyed that video and it's good to see people watching is still alive and well. I liked the man in the blue hat and (I think) 2 or 3 scarves, who said he was wearing bespoke best. Interesting how most of them, when asked what they were wearing, pointed out to the labels first Grin But I guess I might do the same if I was wearing head to toe designer. I've also only watched the Mayfair / Soho one I guess isn't really typical even for central London. The regional ones might be different again.

prettybird · 01/05/2021 15:23

Here's an example of a dress in which cut outs/negative space and halternecks have been taken just a little too far Shock

https://dark-isawesome.com/products/cross-match-cropped-cut-dress?fbclid=IwAR3yY7954Dq4ZImdvB0tsN0QBoNqzBKbOUPW_wBC4OAl0Jmv3GPvciCNkZU

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quirkychick · 01/05/2021 15:30

Oh I like that channel, bo, especially that they are shorter, I have to feel I have the time for KarenBritChick as hers are long. I've just watched the Portobello Market one. I used to go to the teacher's centre near there in the 90s, it makes me nostalgic for London.

botemp · 01/05/2021 16:22

Pretty no Shock before I enlarged it I thought it was an odd pregnancy dress, the proportions are really weird and the skirt looks like it's trying to slink away in shame. Poor model.

Ah, Flo, I think that's probably a fair assessment, it'll be a case of multiple things being true at once as well as multiple people feeling upset and the public is feeling a bit like when their thoughtful wedding gift has been ruthlessly charity shopped. I just can't be doing with the Meghan vs Catherine thing or the royals vs ex royals thing, have you all not had enough of Brexit squabbling already?

I don't know which video you watched but I instantly know who you're talking about as he appears in a few, I've dubbed him Bespoke Dandy and think he's a breath of fresh air in between all the Gucci trainers and Dior bags which become rather dull and predictable quickly.

Quirky, I don't know if I've watched Portobello yet (it's just a recent discovery and I want to space it out a bit although it seems to be updated fairly frequently). I agree KBC videos of the same genre have become a bit of a feature presentation but I do really like being able to people watch in other cities during these weird times and the iloveparis channel hasn't been posting at all (I'm guessing she is shielding, maybe?). I'm struck by how relatively quiet and empty it is compared to here, the terraces are recently re-opened and it's heaving everywhere.

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Floisme · 02/05/2021 10:18

The squabbles are the best part though bo Wink

Going back to quality and the like, I've noticed Jigsaw are doing Irish linen from Baird McNutt. It's not everything on that page I've linked but if you scroll down to 'Fit and Features' it should tell you. I've not seen any of it in real life but I'd be surprised if B McN were putting their name to dross, unless Boohoo have secretly acquired them.

botemp · 02/05/2021 10:30

You lot are addicted, I tell ya, I should know this considering the traffic on AIBU and the inexplicable popularity of parking threads Confused Panem et circenses comes to mind though.

Didn't J Crew use to sell Baird McNutt linen too? The quality was so so, nice enough but I think they were definitely producing to a specific cost spec. I must admit I always thought it was a made up name. I like the look of the blazers at first glance but upon closer inspection they seem a bit too shapeless to feel tailored but not shapeless enough to be oversized either maybe it's one of those things that look better on a real people instead of madly posing model.

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Floisme · 02/05/2021 10:40

Oh they're real and yes, J Crew used to sell it too. It's not noticeably more ££ than anything else on that page so they must be doing something to keep their costs down. But they set out their stall as a heritage product so, like I say, I'd be surprised if they were to take a risk with their reputation, although they'll have bills to pay like everyone else.

Jigsaw are normally on my list of brands that I used to rate but that now take the piss.

Floisme · 02/05/2021 10:44

In other news, I'm still looking for my eyebrows after reading how young people are bravely blazing a trail for us all by buying secondhand.
www.theguardian.com/fashion/2021/may/01/pre-loved-fashion-moves-from-niche-to-mainstream-as-retailers-join-the-fray

botemp · 02/05/2021 10:51

I'm perusing Baird McNutt's direct to consumer site where they sell their fabrics here, prices are ex VAT but even with the tax on it's very affordable for European produced linen and I'm assuming it's even more affordable at B2B prices, I'm very curious how they do it.

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Floisme · 02/05/2021 10:53

I think they only sell to trade don't they? I'd assumed that explained the prices.

botemp · 02/05/2021 10:58

Ah yes, so brave, I must admit I do chuckle a fair amount on the London what are you wearing videos about how they show off secondhand purchases like they've discovered something absolutely novel, it's a marked difference to the 'I bought this 15 years ago in some shop in New York, don't remember the brand and the label is gone' crowd.

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botemp · 02/05/2021 11:02

It doesn't seem clear on the DTC site but it's where I ended up when I clicked on the BM site that calls it DTC, see attached. I assume you can buy as a consumer and you'll be charged VAT but verified business accounts won't be charged VAT. They're based in NI so useless to me but otherwise I'd be tempted at those prices.

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