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🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Is Everyone Having Botox Without Me? 💉

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botemp · 20/12/2019 21:06

Thread 1 Thread 2 Thread 3 Thread 4 Thread 5 Thread 6 Thread 7 Thread 8 Thread 9 Thread 10
Thread 11 Thread 12 Thread 13 Thread 14 Thread 15 Thread 16 Thread 17 Thread 18 Thread 19

For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

December 2019: Time for The Snailies way more reliable and better than the MN recommends annual roundup (yes I'm still bitter about them quoting me in isolation and making me sound like a wanker Angry Wink please don't revoke my special image allowance privileges, MNHQ )

Also: Thread 20 in time for 2020!!! Ahem, where are my presents?

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botemp · 25/12/2019 09:59

Merry Christmas everyone 🎄

SpaceNK staff is fibbing there, Blue, DE used to colour their Vit C and then stopped colouring it due to criticism as you'd never be able to tell as a consumer whether it had gone off or not (at which point it can cause damage to skin potentially). Unless they've decided to start colouring them again Xmas Confused, I know Pupsie had some issues with receiving oxidised DE vit C from SpaceNK and DE never replied ( I think?).

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Keepsmiling1 · 26/12/2019 16:29

Hi,

I'm a newbie and have just read all the documents at the start of the thread! I have been looking after my skin properly for about year now but have mainly been using Elemis products as I got them as a gift. I'm just starting to find out more about different brands and what I should be doing.

I have to say I'm finding it a bit overwhelming! At the moment, in the mornings I cleanse with Alpha H rose cleanser and then use an Elemis hydrating toner. I have just started using The Ordinary Hyaluronic acid but I find that it leaves my skin feeling a bit tight so I'm not sure if it agrees with me. I then put on an eye cream and moisturiser followed by SPF. In the evening, I use a cleansing balm and then the alpha rose followed by Pixi Glow tonic. Then I use the HA, an Elemis facial oil and a night moisturiser. I don't know if this is too much/the right things though.

I was given the Sunday Riley starter set for Christmas but I'm not sure where I should incorporate these and whether I should stop using some of the things I already have.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated as I am finding it a bit confusing! I have read good reviews about Kate Somerville and Emma Hardie but I almost feel like there are too many things to choose from and I don't know what to pick!

botemp · 27/12/2019 11:28

🐌🐌 THE SNAILIES 2019 🐌🐌

Wink The Well Hello There - newest and latest find that gets your motor running

Most recent addition would be Cerave Hydrating cleanser, been using it long enough now and am thoroughly in love.

2018 Snailies: Switching from ordinary cod liver oil to fermented Cod Liver oil capsules from Armorica.

Angry The Flusher - money spent on this product would have been better put to use by flushing it down the toilet

I’m trying to think there wasn’t that much trial or error this year. Skin Aqua tone up UV essence SPF50+ was crap though, I was seduced by its popularity in Japan and lilac colour to knock out the sallowness but it stank so bad. I’m usually okay with fragrance in Japanese sunscreens as they dissipate quickly and don’t irritate but this one smells awful and it lingers everywhere. I keep trying to use it up on the body but still have hardly made a dent in it. Am tossing it after this.

2018 Snailies: GOW Vitamin C 23% version 1.0

Halo The Jack & Rose - the product you’ll never let go of because there’s plenty of fucking space for the two of you on that piece of wood. Damn you, James Cameron, for breaking my poor little tween heart.

Prescription Tretinoin, I was hesitant at first but my dermatologist did really know better and my skin is ridiculously great. Also, love the most minimal routine that comes with it as well, wash face, dry face, apply tretinoin, done.

(Prescription) Minoxidil, I started in January of this year after putting it off for forever (didn’t like the idea of being on a topical medication for the rest of my life) but am really glad I did and am kicking myself for not starting on it sooner, my hair has almost been restored to what it was. Still have a touch of thinning hair but it’s not noticeable to anyone. The biggest difference has actually been around the temples, wasn’t even aware that made such a difference and wasn't aware how much the hair loss had been affecting me mentally either so it's been a big relief.

Tentatively, Cerave hydrating cleanser is probably here to stay. As is Timeless CE Ferulic, verdict pending on new packaging.

2018 Snailies: Frezyderm Velvet Face SPF50+, DHC Cleansing Oil, Christophe Robin Haircare
Previous Snailies I’m sure it included Verso Super Eye Serum, Biologique Recherche P50, Vichy thermal water, LRP Tolerian Ultra Nuit (discontinued)

Biscuit The LTB - it all seemed so promising, everything was going so great, then they turned out to be a narcissist gaslighting bastard

Me Blush for playing a bit fast and loose with prescription Tretinoin, I started really really carefully and then swung the pendulum the other direction a touch too soon before middling out to a happy medium.

La Roche Posay Toleriane Cream Riche. I thought it would be nice and soothing for my Tret face, but it’s too rich even for that (for me) and it broke me out. Although technically this would be ‘me’ again, I’d ordinarily instinctively avoid such a rich moisturiser but my brain insisted I’d need a rich moisturiser. Stupid brain.

2018 Snailies: GOW Vitamin C 23%

Envy The Child Prodigy - that one product that’s annoyingly good and isn’t afraid to be smug about it

Prescription Tretinoin. Sigh.

2018 Snailies: Medik8 R-Retinoate, which I noted was something of a Hannukah miracle as I bought it in 2017 and it still wasn’t finished. It’s now 2019 and still not finished (have only been using it sporadically since starting Tret late spring) Confused

Smile The Worker Bee - never the centre of attention but has been steadily chugging along like no other

La Roche Posay Toleriane Sensitive Cream (not the rich one). Bought this to replace the discontinued (although it might be back now Confused) LRP Toleriane Ultra Nuit. I like it, don’t love love it but it actually does everything I’d want from it. I’m currently using Cerave PM Moisturising Lotion and I’m really tepid about it where everyone else seems to love it and I’m kind of missing the Toleriane Sensitive at the moment. You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone…

Alpha Skincare 12% Glycolic body lotion (ordered through Amazon US). Just a really nice body lotion that stops me from needing to scrub buff and lotion and just do it in one go.

2018 Snailies: LRP Toleriane hydrating wash (sorry buddy, you’ve been replaced) and LRP Toleriane Ultra Nuit (now discontinued and another you don’t know what you’ve got…)

Hmm The Troll - the one where you repeatedly asked, ‘Is this doing anything?’, but continued to use it anyway…

I think I may have had a troll-free 2019? Is that even possible?

2018: Ogliotherapie

Confused The Flabbergaster - that one product or technique that wasn’t really supposed to be used like that or delivered well beyond your non-existent expectations

Tripollar pose, I really wasn’t expecting amazing results or weight loss, but it did what I wanted it to do (loose skin tightened up within reason) and I really wasn’t expecting it too. It was extremely time-consuming effort and had my arms not shown pretty significant improvements quickly I’m not sure if I’d persevered. Expectations weren’t high which probably helped as I’d probably come out disappointed if I had taken the glowing PR babble as gospel.

Snailies 2018: Pommade A313

Blush The Sinner - oh, admit it because we’re all guilty of it, what did you do or use that wasn’t all that sensible like take an acid bath and had the disastrous results you really knew to expect

Me again with the Tretinoin, going quicker than planned and using overly rich creams that would otherwise make me cower in horror. They were minor blips on the road though. Also the occasional mix up of days and using P50 on Tret nights and not wanting to skip Tret and thinking if I left enough time in between it would be ok. Well ok turns out to be a very flakey peeley ok.

Also, having a sales chat with the derm's laser person (when I already have a laser person who I like and wouldn't think of leaving) but wanted to discuss a patch of potential pigmentation. Derm's laser person was a scary sales tactic person trying to sign me onto thousands worth of unnecessary peel sessions where I would be forced to buy and use the accompanying skincare regime for another couple of hundred euros. All this for a teeny tiny patch which is most likely a PIE and a simple laser procedure of under a 100 euros could potentially fix. But yeah, let's not even discuss that, go with the peels Hmm and book now as the slots are filling up even though they will do absolutely nothing for the PIE and will absolutely wreck your hypersensitive skin and make you break out from the mandatory skincare line Hmm Hmm Hmm.

Snailies 2018: Packing all my skincare items in hold luggage and airline then misplacing said luggage.


Current routine, just for reference:

AM

Cerave Hydrating Cleanser (on wet skin)

Vichy thermal water (live in a hard water area, this helps a lot with my sensitive skin)

Timeless CE Ferulic

Hydrating toner/serum patted in if I need it (Kiehl’s Ultra facial toner because they keep giving it to me for free, would not rec ever paying out for it.)

Cerave PM moisturising lotion if needed

Frezyderm Velvet Face SPF50+

PM

Night 1

DHC cleansing oil followed by Cerave hydrating and Vichy TW
Prescription Tretinoin

Night 2

DHC cleansing oil followed by Cerave hydrating and Vichy TW

Biologique Recherche P50

Hydrating toner/serum patted in if I need it

Verso Super Eye Serum

Cerave PM moisturising

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botemp · 27/12/2019 11:38

Welcome Smiling, sorry just came on to post my Snailies as wanted them done before I go on holiday and won't have much internet access after tonight.

Can only answer briefly, the brands you use/mention aren't ones I'm quick to recommend for various reasons, mostly that they're sensorial brands that feel nice but don't really do anything or they're more hype than substance. That's fine if that's your preference we mostly chat active routines here that rely on scientific evidence and studies so if that's what you're pursuing as well then I'd encourage you to look at other brands without all the bells and whistles, French pharmacy, cosmeceuticals, etc.

I can't tell you what's best as I have no idea of your skin right now and what goals you have. Sunday Riley skincare can be very highly irritating but it depends on what you've got. My routine I just posted is pretty much what most active routines look like, Vit C and SPF in the morning, a retinoid of sorts on one night and acid toning a few times a week. A few key ingredients that support barrier function in the other products, gentle and mild being the key so the actives can work to their best ability. However, you don't just start off like that, you build it up gradually, incorporating one product at a time, sometimes scaling back one slightly when introducing another.

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Outtheforest · 27/12/2019 12:00

Hope everyone had a great Christmas, I went a bit wild and trailed the 50 shades of snails routine at 9pm on Christmas eve. Thankfully my face didn't fall off and the results where so impressive I have since asked my DP nightly if I can do it to his nose too. Sadly he's yet to agree. I used pure cosmetic grade coconut oil which is probably against all the skincare rules but I couldn't find an oil cleanser Blush
Sadly the fancy pharmacy seems to have decided only to stock LRP and Vichy and didn't have a single oil cleanser to add in as a PM cleanse so I settled on the LRP toleriane milk cleanser and will see how that goes.
Alot of Asian brands have appeared in the pharmacy but many promised to be skin lightening so i steered clear. Will have a proper look when I've more time at the ingredients etc.

SallieSallow · 27/12/2019 12:29

Hope everyone had a lovely Christmas 🎄 and glad your face hasn’t fallen off Out Grin

I’m on an opposite schedule to you Bo still away at the moment but back next week so will do my Snailies then, though looks like mine will be fairly similar to yours 🐑🐑🐑 Grin

Smiling I agree with Bo about the brands you’ve mentioned, but I’m probably biased especially with Elemis as it’s too perfumed for me and gives me spots/itchy rashes. If you let us know your skin type, concerns, goals etc we can make some suggestions but it sounds at the moment that it’s heavy on ‘fluff and puff’ like expensive oils and moisturisers but not much in the way of actives.

Blue do you wear makeup? As I’d be spending those spaceNK points on hourglass Blush

botemp · 27/12/2019 12:42

I nearly bought a Nuface in the SpaceNK sale again🤦it was a horrible salmon colour and, thankfully, sense prevailed. I have a 25% off voucher with treatwell, I might try a CACI facial just to end the curiosity although this makes no financial sense whatsoever Confused

Hope you've had a good Christmas Sallie, I know you've had quite the year.

Hurray for faces not falling off. You're lucky to have a disinterested DP for now out, just wait untill someone makes an odd comment (like, is she your daughter? Clearly needed glasses Hmm) and they're suddenly sneakily using your precious skincare without a clue.

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SallieSallow · 27/12/2019 13:05

Thank you Bo I have enjoyed Christmas so far but I’m staying with friends so it’s a completely different routine and lots of distraction. Think I’ll find new year harder so haven’t made any plans as might be better off on my own.

I must look for my Nuface, I might have accidentally chucked it in all the chaos but it could be with the stuff I put in storage which I will need to tackle next year so I’ll let you know if I locate it. I’ll be having my fillers topped up at some point (and possibly Botox) so doubt I’ll use it again.

BlueSkyAtChristmas · 27/12/2019 13:49

🐌🐌 THE SNAILIES 2019 🐌🐌

I’m new to proper skincare, so hope you don’t mind me joining in!

Wink Hello there
Cerave hydrating cleanser- wow. Not an oil cleanser but it’s hydrating. Mind blown

Angry The Flusher Xlixir Universal Emulsion- broke me out and made me sweaty until Bo explained why

Halo The Jack & Rose - Frezyderm 50 Sunscreen. It isn’t greasy. Never knew a sunscreen like this existed. Thank goodness for this thread. You have saved me from many wrinkles as I struggle to wear sunscreen on my face. I’m only on week 2 and praying I don’t react.

Biscuit The LTB - Votary apricot cleansing oil - have used for 2 years and love the feel afterwards as it’s hydrating and not greasy. But recently switched to nightly use and it broke me out. Didn’t realise it wasn’t actually cleaning my skin until I knew more about it. So I’m only going to use occasionally to remove makeup. Such a shame as I thought I was in love.

Envy The Child Prodigy - Nars orgasm the multiple. Have used the powder blush for years but got this in an AC and it makes me glow like a good skincare product!

Smile The Worker Bee - Malin and Goetz Vitamin E moisturiser. It’s boring but it works. Great base for makeup. It doesn’t make me sweat when I’m not actually hot, unlike many moisturiser do. Thanks so much for explaining why this would be great for my ‘sauna face’ Bo- you were right! I was about to ditch it until you saved it! Definitely will repurchase.

2018 Snailies: LRP Toleriane hydrating wash (sorry buddy, you’ve been replaced) and LRP Toleriane Ultra Nuit (now discontinued and another you don’t know what you’ve got…)

Hmm The Troll - Dr Sebagh vit C powder and hydrating serum. What DOES it do?? Apart from make me face feel all sticky. Have caved and order the Timeless Vitamin C.

Confused The Flabbergaster - Frezyderm when it first went on... then it dries. Wow!

Blush The Sinner - too Much use of the Dr Dennis Gross exfoliating moisturiser made me sore. But it is very good if used a couple of times a week.

BlueSkyAtChristmas · 27/12/2019 14:19

Oops this was cut and pasted from Bo’s post, please ignore Blush

2018 Snailies: LRP Toleriane hydrating wash (sorry buddy, you’ve been replaced) and LRP Toleriane Ultra Nuit (now discontinued and another you don’t know what you’ve got…)

BlueSkyAtChristmas · 27/12/2019 14:24

Thanks everyone for the Space Nk ideas. I’ve not found anything worth purchasing in the sale- even at 50% off. So will keep my powder dry and wait until next year to make a more considered purchase!

Outtheforest · 27/12/2019 16:49

Going to bite the bullet and order the full size PC BHA, any other PC recommendations? Sadly look fantastic sold out so ordering directly and shipping will be free if I add a travel size product to try

botemp · 27/12/2019 17:18

They have a cleansing oil but it isn't very loved. You can also buy from Cult beauty they currently have 15% off and they ship free internationally over £40.

Enjoy your time with friends Sallie, I'll keep you in my thoughts on the 31st Smile

Very impressive Snailies there Blue.

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BlueSkyAtChristmas · 27/12/2019 20:05

Thanks Bo !

Sallie I make make up! I have my eye on some Hourglass and Surratt make up... but do I really NEED them?!

I forgot to say Merry (belated) Christmas to you all! Xmas Grin

ClientListQueen · 27/12/2019 22:56

I have a few bits on the way from sale shopping
ABH soft glam palette
Neom bath drops
RT powder brush
Bioderma shower oil
LRP cicaplast lip balm
Mustela cold cream shower wash
And not makeup but a beautiful Coach handbag that arrived today!

Struggling with dry, irritated and itchy skin on my body but lotion seems to "hold" the irritation in and make it hotter and itchier Confused

Outtheforest · 28/12/2019 05:49

I had forgotten about cult beauty, this could be dangerous to my bank account Blush

Keepsmiling1 · 28/12/2019 07:45

@botemp @SallieSallow thank you for the replies. I'm mid thirties and have fairly normal skin I think. My cheeks and forehead tend to feel dry (my cheeks can be a bit red at times) whereas my nose and chin can feel oily (I tend to get any spots here but these are quite rare). My main focus is anti ageing. I particularly dislike the bags/wrinkles under my eyes but I'm not sure any cream is good enough to fix them! I just want to take better care of my skin and slow down ageing as much as I can really.

ClientListQueen · 28/12/2019 20:41

Some very empty empties! I remembered to save them to check what I had used up

🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Is Everyone Having Botox Without Me? 💉
mintmagnummm · 28/12/2019 22:15

Place marking. Hi everyone I'm still here just lurking Grin

SallieSallow · 29/12/2019 22:31

Keepsmiling retinoids are the gold standard of anti ageing, if you look at Bo’s first post she’s done a guide to choosing a retinoid that’s well worth a read. Not suitable if you’re pregnant or breastfeeding though.

Hi Mint 👋 hope you enjoyed your first married Christmas Smile

SallieSallow · 29/12/2019 23:15

🐌🐌 THE SNAILIES 2019 🐌🐌

Mine are a bit of a hotch potch as I haven’t experimented much this year so I’ve included stuff from years gone by as well as a couple of things that aren’t specifically skincare related (hair and makeup!)

Wink The Well Hello There - newest and latest find that gets your motor running
Dyson Airwrap. Cost a small fortune but means I can actually heat dry and style my hair for the first time in many years and not end up with a mess of static/frizz/pouffy-ness. Super quick and easy to use as well.

Angry The Flusher - money spent on this product would have been better put to use by flushing it down the toilet
This isn’t a recent one but pretty much anything by The Ordinary. Nothing I tried did anything much and quite a few things caused irritation. Formulas didn’t seem very stable and seemed to degrade/go off very quickly.

Halo The Jack & Rose - the product you’ll never let go of --because there’s plenty of fucking space for the two of you on that piece of wood. Damn you, James Cameron, for breaking my poor little tween heart.
My beloved Hourglass palettes (all four of them Blush) plus the standalone bronzer and blusher.

Biscuit The LTB - it all seemed so promising, everything was going so great, then they turned out to be a narcissist gaslighting bastard
I can’t think of anything recently

Envy The Child Prodigy - that one product that’s annoyingly good and isn’t afraid to be smug about it
Biologique recherche lotion P50. Expensive, limited availability, smugly exclusive (only one U.K. seller who make you fill in a questionnaire before they’ll let you buy anything then they try and upsell you a routine costing £100s) but the results are worth it.

Smile The Worker Bee - never the centre of attention but has been steadily chugging along like no other
Cerave - hydrating cleanser and moisturiser.

Hmm The Troll - the one where you repeatedly asked, ‘Is this doing anything?’, but continued to use it anyway…
I’ll have to throw The Ordinary in here again, also the various Vit Cs I tried before discovering Timeless, can’t remember them all but Vichy was definitely one of them.
Pretty much all eye creams and every primer I’ve ever tried as none of them have ever done anything/made any difference.
I could say Nuface but that would be a bit unfair as I never really used it long enough to give it a fighting chance.

Confused The Flabbergaster - that one product or technique that wasn’t really supposed to be used like that or delivered well beyond your non-existent expectations
Lansinoh nipple cream used as a lip balm. I used to get terrible dry, sore lips every winter but no longer - I just use this at night time and no need for faffing round reapplying balms and salves all day like I used to.
Also my stick on eyebrows which were a few quid from Amazon, look surprisingly natural and last a good 2-3 days if I’m careful/don’t rub them when I’m washing my face.

Blush The Sinner - oh, admit it because we’re all guilty of it, what did you do or use that wasn’t all that sensible like take an acid bath and had the disastrous results you really knew to expect
I don’t think I’ve done anything daft recently, must be getting sensible in my old age. I guess the only thing might be trying to use tretinoin without a buffering layer of moisturiser.

Current Routine
AM - Cerave hydrating cleanser, Timeless Vit C serum, cerave moisturiser, SPF50 - either frezyderm or skinaqua Moisture milk
PM - simple oil cleanser, cerave hydrating cleanser then:
Night 1 P50 followed by Vichy mineral 89 and cerave moisturiser
Night 2 cerave followed by tretinoin, another layer of either cerave or FAB ultra repair moisturiser
Lansinoh on my lips every night
Sometimes slot in Vichy thermal water spray and/or cicaplast gel depending on how my skin is feeling/behaving.

ClientListQueen · 30/12/2019 17:55

My Jack and Rose product is definitely alpha h essential hydration cream. Rich but never breaks me out, sits beautifully under makeup. Feels like it's actually hydrating and I just love it Smile

ClientListQueen · 30/12/2019 19:17

Here we go...

🐌 THE SNAILIES 2019 🐌🐌

Mine also aren't specifically skincare related (hair and makeup!)

The Well Hello There - newest and latest find that gets your motor running

Jessicurl spiralicious gel. My hair just adores it, it gives hold, doesn't flake and scrunches out well

The Flusher - money spent on this product would have been better put to use by flushing it down the toilet

O'Keefes working hands. Greasy but if you use the small amount recommended it doesn't spread? Doesn't seem to do anything for me at all

The Jack & Rose - the product you’ll never let go of --because there’s plenty of fucking space for the two of you on that piece of wood. Damn you, James Cameron, for breaking my poor little tween heart.

Alpha h essential hydration cream

The LTB - it all seemed so promising, everything was going so great, then they turned out to be a narcissist gaslighting bastard

I can’t think of anything recently

The Child Prodigy - that one product that’s annoyingly good and isn’t afraid to be smug about it

Paulas choice BHA

The Worker Bee - never the centre of attention but has been steadily chugging along like no other

Bioderma shower oil. Bland in a good way, soothes my itchy dry skin without leaving me greasy or skidding in the shower

The Troll - the one where you repeatedly asked, ‘Is this doing anything?’, but continued to use it anyway…

At the minute, retinol. I'll keep plodding

The Flabbergaster - that one product or technique that wasn’t really supposed to be used like that or delivered well beyond your non-existent expectations

CYO lifeproof!

The Sinner - oh, admit it because we’re all guilty of it, what did you do or use that wasn’t all that sensible like take an acid bath and had the disastrous results you really knew to expect

Honestly, nothing!

ClientListQueen · 01/01/2020 19:36

@botemp the ultra nuit is def available Smile just checked

Karcheer · 01/01/2020 21:30

Just checking in, seemed to have fallen off.

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