Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It

[Pupsiecola]

In honour of bo who has been so helpful on the first thread, which can be found here...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/a2759152-Skincare-Ingredients

Ooh shiny and new
Wonder if deciem will let me have my order

Place marking. I think I'm a student of the skincare nerds rather than a fully fledged nerd. I have my pencils sharpened and neatly laid out ready to make more notes.

I think I'm a new starter!

Really in awe of you ladies!

I need a new cleanser for morning. Use a balm to take make up off but not loving my second cleanse/morning cleanse. I also need something to try and help with spots.

I'm so confused too as I used to follow CH but not things have changed (see previous thread). I feel a little lost!

Yes Enid. I should have added "and apprentices" in the title lol. I've just been out for an early run. "Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It" popped into my head.

Shestood I use the Emma Hardie balm in the evening which I really like. And the LRP Toleriane in the mornings which is really gentle and non drying. Might be worth a look?

Thanks for the new thread Pupsie :)

Yeah - our new and lovely thread!!!

I second LRP Toleriane for AM cleanse. Been using it for a few years now.

The Phyto thingy has C 13-14 Isoparaffin, sorry... and yeah naturally dry (and I dye it too) hair is indeed what it is, so it's more about what little hydration/ softness you can achieve between washes

Thanks aurora. I found one of those sample size Christoph Robin masks on eBay as per bo's suggestion. I have ordered that. Don't mind paying it if works well but need to try it out first :-)

Have I mentioned I love my Darphin Intral serum? I'm not usually into scented products, but this one is just divine. It's so good I want to pour it in a cocktail glass over some ice and drink :-) The Face Theory products seems to be working out well so far btw.

Fantastic - thanks Aurora I didn't realise that was mineral oil. It's helpful to know the various names things go by, I'm pretty good at ID-ing silicones but not mineral oils as I don't react to them. This thread is an education.

Thanks for the new thread, Pupsie . Though the alternative title of "Fantastic Skincare and Where to Find It" would perhaps have been a bit more welcoming to newbies to the thread.

For those who are taking a peek and wondering whether thread 1 is worth reading we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients for our particular needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between deviations on this thread are mostly my fault.

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then . Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

Technically C 13-14 Isoparaffin isn't mineral oil but a petroleum derivative like mineral oil. It's less controversial than MO too but it has the same concerns of delaying cell turnover, possible allergens and carcinogenic properties. MO is often rephrased as liquid paraffin, paraffinum liquidum (Latin), and liquid petroleum but there are about 70 alternate names, find them all here but ignor the rest of the scaremongering on there as it's not all factually correct.

Oh meant to also ask, where do the Face Theory moisturisers rank pricewise (incl. shipping), Pupsie? I usually point people towards French Pharmacy as I consider it cheap in my neck of the woods (though cheap is a relative term of course) but get the idea LRP is pricier in the UK for most and it's something I think will only get more expensive over the next few years.

Face Theory is cheaper than LRP. I think I paid 10.99 for my moisturiser (reduced from 12.99 as an introductory offer). I think shipping was free because I also bought the retinol (from memory shipping was free is evening £20+).

Good point re the thread name Bo. Have asked MN to change it. Not sure if they will.

Face Theory offers free delivery. I just checked. Not sure if I mentioned I also bought their night cream. I thought I'd try the scented one given that they offer refunds if a product doesn't suit. I really like it. The smell is quite subtle. Been using it on top of the Darphin serum. I wake to plump, juicy skin.

I am looking into Paula's Choice and Deceim (sp) to replace the Olay Regenerist stuff I've been using. I'm sick of Olay constantly changing things. It's too confusing.

I currently use:

Superdrug Vit E Hot Cloth Cleanser at the end of the day (Cetaphil in the morning as there's no makeup to remove)

Nip and Fab Glycolic pads in the morning
Olay Regenerist serum in the white bottle (now hard to find/possibly discontinued)
Olay Regenerist Something-blah-blah SPF 30 Day Moisturiser

At night I use Nip and Fab Glycolic Night Fix
Olay Regenerist Night Cream

The 10% Niacinamide from the Ordinary should quite easily replace all the Olay in terms of active ingredient and dependant on what other products from Olay you were using the Matrixyl serum.

Is there a reason why you are acid toning so much (no mention of skin type/concerns/approx age)? Night Fix pads are not meant to be used daily so am wondering if you are using them as such.

I think I'm going to try to buy the P50. It's the W yes?

Yep, it's the W. I suggest you get the 50ml version first, I suspect you'd do fine with one of the other versions further down the line, the V(?) has more nutritional benefits for anti-ageing/mature skin and the normal version is stronger with BHA.

How's it been treating you so far?

Thanks bo. My skin feels very soft and smooth. Not having any adverse reactions, although yesterday I did have a red rash on the side of my neck but it's gone today. I would defo like to try it for a longer period and the 50ml is an excellent suggestion.

Yeah, true, the above mentioned isoparaffin is a MO derivative (hydrocarbon) but it is still comedogenic etc, so we should be weary. Grrr, it's like with food E numbers, where I've lately noticed that instead of putting the number in the INCI list the manufacturer puts the name, creating this illusion that there are no nasties in there...

just I also think you are using acids too often. I use them 3-4 times a week in the PM and certainly not twice a day.
The Cetaphil cleanser has Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, which is a (cheap) detergent that can cause skin irritation and interfere with the skin's natural barrier. As we noted above, better use something gentle like LRP Toleriane in the AM (you can get it in 400ml bottles which are very good value for money).

Hmmm, hope MN agree to change the name of the thread. Brilliant name pupsie... and let me know how you get on the the hair mask.
When I was traveling last month a got a lovely organic hair mask that did wonders to my hair in the warmer weather, but now that I'm back home I find my good old conditioner is still the best (I do add some oils to it some times).
My problem is that if the product is too thick or heavy I find it affects the volume and texture of the hair. So I need something nurturing but that does not weigh the hair down, and for some reason oil works very well.
I've also made a spray with watered down conditioner + some oils (macadamia, avocado) + a few drops and geranium and lavender oil and that works very well in the mornings.

Hello lovely skincare people

I am 37, with dry and dehydrated skin. I double cleanse, acid tone, use serums and a facial oil in the evening. I have cut down a bit on acid toning in the colder weather and now use Nip + Fab glycolic pads 2-3 times a week. My skin usually behaves pretty well but I have noticed that the fine dehydration lines by my eyes have become much more pronounced in the last few weeks, possibly due to colder weather. I would like to find a day moisturiser that plumps them up and gives my skin a dewy glow. I use either Superfacialist Vitamin C serum or Superdrug Hydrating Serum in the morning. Any recommendations? Thanks

Would the Hylamide SubQ Eyes work for Lotta, Aurora? I know you've used it before but am unsure how age and weather would factor into it here and whether perhaps Vit C/Retinol is a better approach long term.

Why are you cutting down acid toning in winter, Lotta? Glycolic is a humectant (ie a hydrating agent) and should help eliminate the dryness by aiding in cell turnover, do you get dryer with more use? If so, glycolic or the alcohol content in Nip&Fab may be the issue not the concept of acid toning itself.

I cut down on acid toning because I saw it recommended on here a couple of weeks ago. A poster (can't remember who) said that she had become much more flaky recently, stopped acid toning and the flakiness stopped. I've cut down on acid toning in the past week or so and flakiness is much less obvious. I know it sounds counter-intuitive! I won't stop it completely because its been brilliant in general, my skin has been much more glowy than it was previously

I'm too scared to go down the retinol road but would try Vitamin C. I was considering buying from The Ordinary - Vitamin C and Hyaluronic acid. What do you think?

Yay new thread!

ONE of my cheeks has turned all sensitive on me, have stripped back again for now to the LRP products.

Pity as I was ON THE BRINK of buying a retinol or a vit c from TO natch. Or Niod poss. Or Hylamide Ahem.

Sorry Lotta, not much help here! I did find the instagram deciem account comments hugely helpful though, even if I haven't made any actual decisions yet... So thanks for the tip Aurora!

It's not counter-intuitive, Lotta, it's sensible really but it mostly means either the formulation (the alcohol content) or the type of acid isn't ideal for your skin, or both. Glycolic shouldn't make you flaky, it should in fact be avoiding that so I'd finish it up and look into non-alcoholic versions when they're finished.

I'd avoid the HA acid from TO if dry. I haven't tried it personally but I suspect it's more suited to oily/combo than normal dry (the same as the original product from Skin Ceuticals it's based on). The Buffet seems a better choice in that sense (or Hylamide SubQ which is on offer at Boots at a similar price point currently). Both are a step up from the more simpler (but perfectly fine) Superdrug serum.

Trepidation for Retin-A I completely understand, and is not something I'd encourage anyone to seek out lightly but Retinol really isn't all that scary (just don't try it all at once). TO Vit C is fine beyond it's textural issues but not one I'd recommend using near the eyes.

wilting, just think of all the money you're saving! Be thankful to that ONE cheek .

Botemp, I admit I'm being lazy but you probably know the answer in a heartbeat - what does the Sub Q have that Buffet doesn't? I like Buffet but as the Sub Q is on offer just wondering if it's worth trying? If there's not much in it then I'll stick with what I know.