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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

OP posts:
hambler · 01/08/2009 04:02

therealme, what an incredible journey.
I hope you get the strength to leave soon

Longtalljosie · 01/08/2009 07:34

Moll - have caught up with this thread after a gap (was lurking before) and just wanted to share a thought with you about what your husband's saying about his counselling.

Having been in a very bad relationship myself, I don't believe for a second your husband's version of what's coming out of his counselling. What I do think is that he's using the form of words he's getting from counselling as part of a new mind game. I suspect this counsellor is trying to get him to take responsibility for his actions by asking him how his behaviour is affecting what has happened, and he's refusing to look at that, but is using the same language back on you. Like a new weapon.

My ex did that. Some of the things he said towards the end were quite bizarre actually - aspersions on my ability to do my job. I later found out around the same time he was having a complaint about his job investigated and he was just doling out something that had hurt / got to him, onto me.

HeadFairy · 01/08/2009 08:27

Hi Moll, just wanted to say congratulations on getting the lease on your house sorted, I hope you are able to move out with the minimum of fuss and anxiety for you. This is the start of the rest of your life.

I would also echo everyone else's sentiments, normal relationships are one of mutual love, support and understanding. My dh and I constantly make sacrifices to help the other out. I hope you get the chance to experience a loving relationship one day and know that they do exist. I presume if your parents are still together they're an example of how a good relationship works. My parents are approaching their 45th wedding anniversary and they're my inspiration. So they may argue, they may bicker at times, but they are always there for each other in the end, they are totally supportive of each other during tough times and make each other laugh in the better times.

Take care, will check in next week to see how you're going in your new home and new life.

macherie · 01/08/2009 22:50

Hi Moll, just wanted to say I hope the weekend is going ok for you - not long to go now, take care of yourself.

NicknameTaken · 03/08/2009 10:42

Hi Moll, I´m currently on holiday in Spain but popped into an internet cafe to wave some pompoms at you. Go, Moll, go!

About loving relationships, try a mental experiment: think of a typical day´s actions by you and your husband. Now, swop them over, picturing yourself acting like him and him acting like you. Never doubt that a partner can show love and caring - you have done it so much yourself.

Macherie, love your story. From another mama who left because her little girl deserved better, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Blackduck · 03/08/2009 10:45

Hi Moll, hope you had a reasonable weekend - on the home straight now, keep strong - rooting for you here!

ZZZenAgain · 03/08/2009 10:51

how are you feeling this week Moll?

MollFlounders · 03/08/2009 14:08

Thanks everyone for the posts. I've been a bit quiet on here as I've been feeling a little (ok, a lot) tired and drained in RL. But all is ok. My lease started today and my father is at the new house taking delivery of a few things I've got arriving there. I'm seeing the counsellor again this afternoon. It is the home straight now. I just need to keep hanging on in there. The posts of support are wonderful. Thank you.

Therealme - thank you for posting, your story is extraordinary. You haven't caused your husband's behaviour. Stay strong and get out.

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GeneHunt · 03/08/2009 14:51

So good to hear that you are hanging in there. Hopefully this week will pass uneventfully and you can start your new life without too much anxiety. Even if there is bed feeling, you will be free to retreat to your own home and not have to listen.

Take care.

thesouthsbelle · 03/08/2009 16:52

only a few more days to go moll - if I may suggest get some clothes over there asap incase, and don't tell the nanny until friday, or indeed next monday morning if you're concerned she might tell your H.

Blackduck · 03/08/2009 17:47

hope conselling went well Moll - and good luck this week.

SolidGoldBrass · 03/08/2009 22:31

Not long to go now. Just think of how good and safe and relaxed you are going to feel in your new home with your lovely DD.

Clayhead · 03/08/2009 23:03

Rooting for you Moll.

Chessiers · 04/08/2009 00:23

Thinking of you Moll, hope the move goes smoothly. Stay strong.

cheerfulvicky · 04/08/2009 15:22

Hi Moll,

My computed decided to die on me so I haven't been about for a bit. Just wanted to wish you all the luck and strength in the world fo this week, it will be difficult but hang in there. Things will be SO much better, an surprisingly soon I'm sure. If you need to remember why you are doing this, re-read this thread.
Thinking of you!
x

MollFlounders · 04/08/2009 18:19

It's so nice to find everyone has been checking in - thanks so much for keeping up with my stumbling progress. This week has been extremely strange but I'm somehow getting through it. I'm still veering from a very guilty excitement to a feeling of total fear and panic but the counsellor continues to help. I saw her yesterday, and am due again tomorrow and Friday. And then it will be done. Thanks for thinking of me, I really really really appreciate it.

OP posts:
Clayhead · 04/08/2009 19:59

Glad to hear you're managing

expatinscotland · 04/08/2009 20:11

Moll, am sooo glad you've found a supportive counsellor and that you have your family around you.

Still pulling for you and your DD.

Jux · 04/08/2009 21:27

Oh this is really good news, Moll. Am so glad for you. Keep strong. How exciting that you are so near being the person you can be. Rebirth? Relaunch? Revitalised, anyway!

dollius · 04/08/2009 21:44

You are feeling that excitement because this is the right thing to do.
You will be so relieved when you've got out.
You are doing so well Moll - just keep going another couple of days.
We are all rooting for you.
One day your lovely DD will be able to feel so proud of her amazing mother. Look forward to that day.

siouxsieandthebanshees · 04/08/2009 23:43

Hi Moll
I have been following your thread, but have not posted before.
I want to wish you and your dd all the best in your new calm and peaceful home.
I read the bit where you were saying how interested you were in other peoples daily set up, so I thought I would tell you mine. My partner works nights, and every night the last thing he does before he leaves is to give both of our children a big kiss, even 14yr old dd ... much to her disgust and delight and tells them how much he loves them, then I get a quick peck. Every morning when he gets in, he covers ds over and takes dd a cup of tea, well when you are 14 your hair takes a long time to do before school! Its the little things, the fact that its summer so he would rather get up 2 hours earlier than normal so he can go fishing/swimming/kayaking with the kids.(he's knackered)
Any way enough of my shit, you are doing so well, and I am so proud of you.

SolidGoldBrass · 05/08/2009 01:05

Moll, you're doing fine. You're doing great. You are a lovely person and deserve far more out of life than to be saddled with this demented parasite. There will come a time when you will be able to regard him with mildly amused mild contempt and just a small measure of caring, and the last only if he has slowly proved himself to be a remotely decent father to your DD.

Chessiers · 05/08/2009 04:20

SGB is right, you are lovely Moll. You've also shown really impressive strength and insight though all of this.

I know that weird sense of slightly panicky excitement. I had it from the moment I decided to leave my ex-partner until the day I did. I also kept my decision from him, because I was scared of his reaction and of my ability to stay strong in the face of it.

After I left, it was actually a shockingly short period of time before I found myself wondering what the fuck I'd been doing putting up with him all that time.

thesouthsbelle · 05/08/2009 09:20

course we're all thinking/rooting for you!! you've come so far and you're doing fantastically well. only a few more days to get thru.

I can't wait to hear your first post in your new home sounding happy and relaxed. x

macherie · 05/08/2009 10:07

Hi Moll, thought of you this morning when I woke up, I'm counting down the days with you.
Your thread has struck such a cord with me, I suppose it's that little girl in the red jumper identifying with your dd, I know that in the years ahead she will be as proud of you as I am of my mum (which reminds me I must tell her that more often).

Just keep reminding yourself you are doing the right thing.