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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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dittany · 07/12/2009 15:06

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MollFlounders · 07/12/2009 15:36

Hello everyone. I'm laughing already! Some of these posts have been marvellous! In the light of day, it does come across all Mills & Boone-y; I can't believe the energy he put into writing it.

Anyway, he sent me another email this morning - my heart sank when I saw it, as I wondered what more he could possibly have to say. But it was a perfectly pleasant two liner, asking if he could see DD (using her pet name) on X and Y days this week. I responded to that with a bright and breezy one liner (purely on logistics) - and in the meantime, I'm waititing to hear back from my lawyer about how best to take things forward in terms of the legal process. My counsellor was clear that I must start the formalities asap, and I'm sure that's the right advice.

I will also make sure that, in the future, I'm not at home when he comes to see DD at bathtime as I have zero interest in seeing him and my nanny is happy to supervise.

And he is a jerk, jerk, jerk and I can just press "delete" or "file" and this rubbish goes! So no danger of the pencil-nose-table combo for me these days.....

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MollFlounders · 07/12/2009 15:37

.... which is lucky, as my nose has taken enough pain in this relationship already!

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 07/12/2009 16:13

Am warming to his style:

Moll, I?ve never told you this, but sometimes I feel like my soul is crying. A grief borne of being so lonely. You wouldn?t understand. You don?t understand me and never really ?got me.? But I would often roam physically because my heart was constricted and suppressed by you. I would go to homeless shelters. You see Moll, homelessness is also a state of mind and I never really had a home with you. It was a house. And in the shelter, I would find solace and kinship with other lost souls. Over a bowl of soup we share our hopes and dreams. I could never share that with you Moll, but you know, it was the first time I was actually listened to. As I dribbled some soup, an overwhelming wave of sadness of what I had become....'

MollFlounders · 07/12/2009 16:58

ilovemydog - I've never said this on MN before (or indeed anywhere else) but.... PMSL!

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NicknameTaken · 07/12/2009 17:01

Ooh, they could make a film out of that! Who would play you? You obviously would be Meryl Streep in Cruelle de Ville mode. But who could conveyed that tortured little-boy-lost expression for your ex?

MollFlounders · 07/12/2009 17:43

I'm thinking Tom Hanks in his Big days - a little boy in the body of a particularly gormless-looking adult male. Here is H, played by Tom Hanks, grappling with his emotions.

(I can't stand Tom Hanks, but do apologise to him for using his image in this way. But I feel so much better for venting!)

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EdgarAleNPie · 07/12/2009 18:02

have been a floater on this thread.

i haven't een bothered with reading all that email, but jesus H!

he is a wanker and a half. acutal masturbation would b less of a waste of time.

mmrred · 07/12/2009 20:13

I did plough through the whole thing and tried to be very serious and thoughtful but must admit to giggling about the church thing...but look, you can laugh about it already and if he really believes any of this, then he's well out of it, eh? You've done him a favour.

And...he's sure it was a priest, is he? I mean that image of the snake is terribly freudian...

queenofdenial2009 · 07/12/2009 22:01

Now Moll, if I didn't know you better, I'd say you were starting to enjoy this...

BitOfFun · 07/12/2009 22:23

ilovemydogandmrobama- me and DP cried laughing reading that

Moll, I missed you posting again, so sorry I couldn't chip in, but I'm so glad you are seeing the ridiculous streak to him. I'm sure people here can remind you of it when required

SolidGoldpiginablanket · 07/12/2009 22:35

Oh FFS what an utter knob. Of course he wants 'shared' counselling, he's found himself a twatty counsellor he can manipulate and he wants you to be told what a 'bad person' you are by this counsellor while he sits there going 'See? SEE? It's all YOUR fault and you have to make it up to me for the rest of my life!'
Honestly, stay well away and don't worry about him. He's a first-class cock-end and will never change and the sooner you divorce him the better.

ninedragons · 09/12/2009 08:14

I couldn't help myself, I came back for another look to see if it really was as turgid as I remembered.

That email reads like the skidmarks in Dr Phil's underpants.

cheerfulvicky · 09/12/2009 09:11

Moll, glad you're doing well
I haven't read the email because I can't bear to, would just piss me off pointlessly. But having read peoples extracts, am having a little giggle.; It reminds me of my last creative writing course with the OU when the tutor asked us to do an exercise where we tried to write as badly as possible (it is actually really difficult!). His email kind of reminds me of that. hehe

Liking Nicknames suggested response, must be very tempting! But ultimately, it's better if you don't engage with these people. If they don't know whether their bullshit is connecting, they are less likely to fire off massive swathes of it on a regular basis.
Sorry for crap typing, one handed as ds is perching on my lap. Keep on keeping on! You have obviously moved on and it's so great to see

madonnawhore · 26/05/2010 12:12

If you ever have a spare half hour, you should check these out - hilarious:
jezebel.com/tag/crap-email-from-a-dude/

Moll, someone directed me to your thread because I posted about going through something similar at the moment myself and I've been reading with interest. You and Yalla have set the template for the strong, fearless, resolute, intelligent woman I hope to find it in myself to be soon.

Lemonylemon · 26/05/2010 13:53

Gah! I thought it was an update from Moll - I was wondering about her yesterday....

cyteen · 26/05/2010 14:03

I wonder about her often. Moll, if you're out there, we'd love to hear how you and DD are doing

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 26/05/2010 22:55

Moll posted here yesterday and sounds very happy...

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