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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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dittany · 06/12/2009 21:46

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tiredoftherain · 06/12/2009 21:46

Blimey, what a self-indulgent pile of poo that email was. He should have written it but never sent it. I hope he's receiving some good counselling, sounds like he really needs it.

I'd say that he's starting to realise how badly he's behaved and is employing the classic EA ploy of rewriting history and shifting the blame. See it for what it is and consign it to the recycle bin.

So pleased you are moving on.

lilac21 · 06/12/2009 21:46

Moll, I've heard some of those lines too, though face to face, unfortunately. I wish you hadn't read it - if I received anything like that, I would get to the third line, think 'whatever...' and hit delete. Please do the same next time you get one, or if you think it's important, forward it to your solicitor straight away and then delete it. I hope you haven't replied, it doesn't deserve a response (though f*ck off comes to mind).

saintlydamemrsturnip · 06/12/2009 21:47

God he loves himself doesn't he?

Ignore it. Even if you wanted to reply, it's quite an insane email so would be hard to make a sensible reply. And god only knows how he'd interpret any reply.

cyteen · 06/12/2009 21:48

Fucking hell, he doesn't half go on eh? Yawnarama. Just file a copy for your divorce records and then carry on enjoying life as a free woman with a wonderful daughter

MollFlounders · 06/12/2009 21:50

MadameDuBain- you are completely right about the self-obsession. He has obviously spent the entire weekend, perhaps longer, putting this email together and, as ever, it's all about him. I will keep this email as I do continue to be very apprehensive about him. Heated- I like your suggested response. If I wasn't so nervous about how he would react then I would send it. I don't care what he thinks, but I do get scared of antagonising him while he still has a hold over me i.e. we are not divorced and we need to sort out arrangements for DD and our finances. I'll speak to my counsellor and solicitor tomorrow though. I have to just get the process over and done with.

It's true: I have left and I don't have to engage with this crap anymore. Must remember that.

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dittany · 06/12/2009 21:53

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TheCrackFox · 06/12/2009 21:53

God, he really is a prick isn't he? Just divorce the loser.

MollFlounders · 06/12/2009 21:54

Dittany I'm so glad you're here! Yes, this is exactly what he was like in the relationship and this is why after 7 years I didn't know which end was up, despite being an intelligent, independent-thinking, assertive type of person. He just crashed over and over me like a wave and I did give up until I got to a tipping point. But I don't have to put up with it any more! I'm not going to reply (it is a bit insane isn't it), I'm not engaging, and I am a free woman. Thank God I am not with this man any more.

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AboardtheAxiom · 06/12/2009 21:55

at cyteen's yawnarama

Thanks Moll yes I am in my new house now with DSand things are slowly coming together. My ex is still at the stage where he is being apologetic but sarky and interrogational to my face yet slagging me off and spreading lies behind my back. This is his effort at playing nice and I am simply waiting forhimto throw his toys out of the pram and take the same tack as your twunt of an exH has done, put it all on me and subtly attack my sense of perception/events to bring me back down to how I felt when we were together. TBH I am trying not to relax too much, as like you if I did relax and then he changed tack I know it would totally throw me.

You have had him spinning you all this crap for years day in day out - I know that horrible doubty feeling and can totally sympathise. {pats shoulder and offers wine}

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MollFlounders · 06/12/2009 22:11

You're all brilliant, thank you. His need to win is infinite- he has an infinite capacity and energy to pursue perceived "slights" against him. I've seem him use it in other situations. I suppose me leaving him is the ultimate slight. Too bad. He was, and is, a complete jerk and leaving him was the best thing I ever did (other than giving birth to DD). I'm sorry you've had that experience dittany, but it's made you a fantastic adviser and support. Thank you.

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queenofdenial2009 · 06/12/2009 22:13

Oh just fuck right off! He is an idiot and doesn't deserve a response. I also think he sent it because he realises it is over, but wants to leave a final scar.

I did read it all but it's because its word for word the sort of rubbish I used to have to listen to and try to defend myself against. Be glad it's by e-mail, mine used to follow me round the house with this stuff.

I got a real surge of emotion reading it because it was just so familiar - I know exactly how it is making you feel. You're responsible for everything but you can't do anything right. I saw a therapist who described this as mad-making and she is right in all the senses of the word.

Thank god you never have to go back to that again.

(ATA - I'll e-mail you tomorrow, I'm thinking about your situation)

Lemonylemon · 07/12/2009 10:24

"Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming you for all our problems, nor evading responsibility for my own shortcomings of which there are many. I fully accept responsibility for my own role in all our problems over the years."

Oh for heaven's sake! Really? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Sorry, but I had to skim the email it was so tedious and self-absorbed.

Moll, I was thinking about you last week and wondering how you were doing. Very glad to hear that you and your DD are doing well (despite the blip, which will happen, so don't worry too much).

You've done fantastically well and you just need to keep going. Oh, and what everyone else has said in response to his email....

NicknameTaken · 07/12/2009 10:27

You're completely right not to answer, but I know I'd be tempted to send a short and chirpy response that deliberately misunderstands what he says - "Delighted to see that you're clear where you went wrong and that you're feeling better now!" It would drive him crazy trying to clarify. He wants to suck you under the waves of angst, so how frustrating to see you bobbing about, cheerfully uncomprehending.

Unfortunately, this means that he now has his story all carefully prepared for his next victim partner. Poor woman, she'll try so hard to avoid doing all the "bad" things that his ex (you) did. He'll hurt her deliberately but when she is hurt, that'll be her "acting the victim" in order to make him feel bad.

ChloeHandbag · 07/12/2009 10:43

Ignor it, he's a bully and is trying to get a response from you so the best way to fight against him is to give no response.

Jux · 07/12/2009 10:50

Moll! I've been wondering how you are. So glad you're good and having fun.

Be who you are. He's just doing the same old same old isn't he? Ignore it.

cestlavielife · 07/12/2009 11:06

blimey, your exH is so very eloquent yet he says exactly the same as my exP -

"in a relationship two people are invovled we need to talk, help each other in hard times"

"i am sorry for what i did but you refuse to forgive and love"

"you didnt support me when i needed you when i was low and destroyed and depleted"

"breaking up the family is bad"
etcetc.

"dont you understand that i was depressed and low and you didnt help me"

"if i did anything wrong you should have told me sooner so we could get help"

"we need to get help"

(this from someone who refused to participate in a CAFCASS organized (facilitated) family meeting to discuss the way forward on contact issues)

i.e. - we are to blame...

like your ex, mine has tremendous issues but they are HIS issues, his problems,

i largely ignore but after every few texts from him I now simply text back :

www.drw.org.uk/

(have to admit i broke the rules and engaged slightly and said "so tell your sad story to the divorce recovery workshop"

i also found parallels in the mariella frostrup column this week - tho the starting point is different, the point is we should not pander to these whiny, needy "me me me" men..:

"This guy is displaying all the worst tendencies of the confirmed addict: weakness, dereliction of responsibility and blind selfishness." ..."Clearly his self-indulgence stretches to an inability to see further than his own toes."
see

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/06/mariella-frostrup-ex-weed-sacrifice-my-life

MollFlounders · 07/12/2009 11:10

Queen, Lemony, Nickname, Jux! I'm so glad to find that you're all still here and thanks so much for ploughing through the turgid post. Last night, I felt awful because even though I could recongise his behaviour for what it was, I felt disturbed by the feeling of having the wave crash over me again. It brought back some horrible memories. But I've just had a great chat with my counsellor, and have sent H's rant to my lawyer, so I'm feeling much better about things. It is just the same old same old, that's exactly right. The "love bombing" didn't work, so he does the quick flip into bullying and self-pity. I am now trying to laugh about the idea of me having controlled and victimised him for years. I do like the idea of Nickname's response. I will have to run it past my lawyer

I hope you're all really well, and thanks as ever.

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warthog · 07/12/2009 11:21

I never told you this but it wasn't too long before I took to spending some lunchtimes sitting quietly in churches around the City, in despair, in turmoil, confused, desperately praying for the feelings of guilt, claustrophia and suffocation to be lifted from me. Once, when I thought that I was alone, I cried and cried, and got the fright of my life when I suddenly felt an arm gently snake itself around my shoulders. The priest had spotted me from the shadows, and came to comfort me. I fled, back to work, never to return to that particular church. But there are dozens of other churches in the City, as I've discovered over the years.

We both know that by the time [H told me I needed a nose job], I had developed a major projection problem. A few years of shouldering the accumulated burden of our victim dynamic all alone had taken their toll on me, and I could no longer hide it on the plane trip back to London.

extraordinary! and pathetic. aren't you glad you don't have to put up with this on a daily basis anymore?

ilovemydogandmrobama · 07/12/2009 11:32

His writing style may put him in good stead with Mills & Boon.

My particular favorite being:

'...Once, when I thought that I was alone, I cried and cried, and got the fright of my life when I suddenly felt an arm gently snake itself around my shoulders. The priest had spotted me from the shadows, and came to comfort me. I fled, back to work, never to return to that particular church...'

Love the image of a priest's arms snaking around his shoulders, although not sure that the light 'from the shadows' has any bearing on visible light?

You will laugh about this later, Moll.

MadameDuBain · 07/12/2009 11:56

I also noticed that bit and thought - why did it give him the fright of his life, and why did he have to flee, because someone kindly came to offer him comfort? This is one person who absolutely cannot let his guard down and devotes all his energies to being unassailable. No wonder it was such extraordinarily hard work being with him.

Jux · 07/12/2009 12:25

He has worked awfully hard on his prose hasn't he, Ilovemydogandmrobama?

ninedragons · 07/12/2009 12:43

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblahpoor meblahblahblahblahblahblah. blah.

And I read about economic indicators all day for a living, so I'm USED to stuff that bores most people to tears.

Self-indulgent wankery.

No wonder you feel happier without him. I would have stuck a pencil up my nose and slammed my head against the table if I'd had to listen to that sort of shit every day of my married life.

Heated · 07/12/2009 14:51

I'm almost tempted to assess it for GCSE creative writing. He's obviously spent some time crafting this work of fiction.