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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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MollFlounders · 31/07/2009 13:53

I've paid the deposit. Phew.

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Blu · 31/07/2009 13:53

PHEW!

Well done!

How do you feel?

doggiesayswoof · 31/07/2009 13:56

Well done Moll.

MollFlounders · 31/07/2009 14:01

I feel quite good actually! I saw on a different thread the other day a quote from another MNer saying that one of the worst things about a failing relationship is the erosion of self-esteem brought about by the "should I stay or go" dilemma. It was a very wise post and a big part of the dynamic for me now, apart from the total erosion of self-confidence brought about by the relationship generally.

Thanks again everyone.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 31/07/2009 14:05

Moll well done. Your daughter will thank you for this in years to come

Metatron · 31/07/2009 14:12
Chessiers · 31/07/2009 14:41

Yay! Go you.

That's such good news, Moll. One thing I can promise you is that the relief you will feel when you finally realize that it doesn't matter what he thinks will be profound.

macherie · 31/07/2009 15:34

That's great news, I'm so happy for you.

Do you have much more to arrange before you can leave? I think you should get out as soon as you can, the longer you wait the more overwhelming it will seem.

Have you talked to your solicitor about whether or not you have to tell him where you are going, you might feel safer in your new home if he sees your dd on neutral ground.

As others have said your dd will thank you when she is older, think of the life of tyranny you will be saving her from.

Lemonylemon · 31/07/2009 15:38

Moll: You will be glad you did it and so will your DD.

I didn't post on this thread about my DS's dad but we had to leave when DS was 2. DS was constantly criticised and shouted at by my ex. I HAD to leave as I couldn't bear the thought of my lovely DS's spirit being crushed by a man who really didn't care....

You go girl!!!

pispirispis · 31/07/2009 15:54

Good for you Moll! I haven't posted but I've been following your threads. I have one daughter of 15 months and I have really felt for you reading your posts.

Yes he may love you, but thats besides the point, because he's not capable of loving you in the way you need to be loved, because frankly he sounds very messed up. He might love/have loved you for what you could give him, IYSWIM. I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but just remember you and your dd deserve a happy life, and that is only going to happen after you leave this toxic abusive relationship.

Well done you, I bet it'll be such a relief when you move out! Good luck!

doggiesayswoof · 31/07/2009 16:20

Moll I was just thinking about you, and about my DS who is 14 months old

My DH looks after him and DD full time so I realise it's a different set-up. But honestly, I practically have to wrestle DS away from DH if I want a cuddle. He is just besotted with his son. And he is the same with DD, and was when she was a baby too.

The point of all this is that your H's mind games and twisted attitude to your bond with your DD is not in any normal range.

(but you know that )

ZZZenAgain · 31/07/2009 16:34

congratulations on getting the housing sorted moll. Well done. I think I might have folded my hands in my lap and felt very very tired and just overwhelmed in your shoes tbh. I think you are very strong.

I would just say, don't spend much time thinking about anyone else's relationships atm. It might well get you down for one thing and on the other hand, a lot of relationships look rosey seen at a distance but close up the picture shifts. The important thing is that your relationship to dh had an unhealthy element in it which was not likely to improve over time without an enormous effort on the part of dh and there was no indication that was going to happen.

A church minister said to me once that for a marriage to work, a woman needs to respect her husband (and he says for a woman this is actually very difficult, we do tend to think of them as children and enjoy a good laugh about how useless they are etc, we have no problem cosseting them though); a man needs to love his wife (apparently this is the hardest job for a man, to act in a loving , caring manner because for them if they say "I love you once", they consider it settled once and for all). I found it quite interesting advice, sort of work at implementing my half of it. Thing is you can change your own behaviour but a man cannot force a woman to treat him in a respectful manner (to his face and behind his back) and a woman cannot force her husband to act lovingly towards him.

ZZZenAgain · 31/07/2009 16:35

you know if you really think he realises you are leaving and the new place is yours, I wonder is it worth waiting till he goes away. Maybe it would make sense to move when he is at work whilst your dp and your sister are still around, then he has a week away to adjust to the idea, have his histrionic fits etc

Blackduck · 31/07/2009 17:11

Nothing to add to all the wise advice already here, just sending support vibes....

Jux · 31/07/2009 19:49

"he knows it is over but he wants me to be the executioner. Part of me wonders if that's because he really does love me and doesn't want me to go"

No, Moll. He doesn't want you to go, but that's more because he needs you to blame. If you go, then he either has to look at himself, or find another victim to take the responsibility for his miserable life.

Well done for paying the deposit. When's he off? It would be great if you can move out on Monday, it would end the time you are in no-man's land, but if it doesn't work out like that, well, we're all here ready to pick you up and get your pecker up if it wilts a bit, and cheer you on.

As cheerfulvicky said "keep calm and carry on". I was trying to think of a way to work in "dig for victory" too, but am unable to right now

spicemonster · 31/07/2009 21:02

Moll - well done on signing that lease. Huge step forward - psychologically as much as anything else.

As far as 'perfect' relationships go, read that post from Reality again. It's here ...mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody?pg=4

LittleMissMummy · 31/07/2009 21:16

Moll, glad you went ahead and put the deposit down and its good your feeling happy about it. You should be - this is the beginning of a great new life for you and DD.

When/if you do start to wobble, please do keep in mind all of the comments on this thread and your previous ones. I know it must be tough as its a massive step but its one that you need to take for yourself and DD.

And as for your question about relationships, the answer is 100% yes - there are men out there who are selfless, thoughtful, caring and very family orientated. Myself and DP have just had our first DC (DD who is 11 weeks old now). My DP works full time and for the past week has been getting up during the night to feed DD (as she isnt feeding great atm and Ive been really tired throughout the day) then going to work at 8.15am. When he comes home at 5.15pm after work, he first of all kisses DD then me, he then takes over, playing and looking after DD. I'll make dinner for us then we bath DD together. He will feed her and get her down to sleep - sometimes she wont go down first time so he will get her back down when she wakes up. When she is down, he will go into the kitchen to tidy up and make up some bottles. Then we try and get a bit of time together and watch some tv. At this very moment, whilst Im so very lazy busy on mumsnet, he has just got DD down to sleep and came into the living room and asked if I wanted a nice cold glass of rose wine. This is what couples do; they work together, help each other out, take turns, share things equally, bring up their children together, share stories, talk and enjoy each others company.

I really hope this doesn't sound patronising in any way, I just want you to see that there are loads of happy healthy relationships out there; its not a dream/fantasy. The way your DH acts is unkind, nasty, disrespectful and I believe that he will not change, even after you leave he will continue to think that it was all down to you. You deserve better than that Moll, you sound like a very level-headed, successful, fantastic mother and wife.

If you feel you cant hold on for another week, why dont you just go one day next week while he is at work? Please keep your parents and sister close by, even ask your sister to stay with you for a couple of days in the new house just while you get settled in.

Keep strong Moll, best of luck to you x

MollFlounders · 31/07/2009 23:03

Thanks again everyone. Spice- thanks for posting that link again. The huge theme there is taking responsibility for your partner's behaviour. On that note, I have had my ear well and truly chewed off this evening with a diatribe from H about how he is just strong willed and the real problem is how weak willed I have been. I have been very dishonest in this respect and consequently he feels very let down by me. I have been happy to let this wash over me and to think of my house sitting there waiting for me and DD. H is off from Friday. I think I will go before then. I have a spare room there and my lovely sister will be coming to stay.

I'm so amazed by everyone's descriptions of what their "average" days are like. I know nothing's perfect, but... it seems I need not completely write off the institution of marriage/long term relationships just yet.

Littlemiss - congrats on your (relatively) new DD!

Jux - I will dig for victory this weekend. After all, I could use a little exercise.

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Blackduck · 31/07/2009 23:10

God Moll so its all YOUR fault again, I think I would have hit him with a frying pan by now. Pack up and leave, and don't waste any more precious time listening to his rubbish

MollFlounders · 31/07/2009 23:15

Blackduck - yes, I had fantasies of that. If we had not been having the discussion in the bathroom then the outcome may have been different (a toilet brush doesn't really do the job as well). It was a farcical conversation. I must come back to this bit of the thread next time I have a wobble (I have to be honest and admit that there is probably at least one more to go before I'm done).

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Blackduck · 31/07/2009 23:17

I don't know I can think of places you could insert a toilet brush

dollius · 31/07/2009 23:42

Keep strong Moll. I will be checking this thread all weekend, in case you need support.

Nearly there now.

Just gather up all the important stuff and transfer funds into a new account.

Your dd will be so proud of you when she is old enough to understand.

therealme · 01/08/2009 01:08

Hi Moll,

I have been reading your thread today. I remember your previous threads.

I am going through a similar life changing event brought about by posting on a parenting site in the country where I now live. I posted late one night about the 'real' life I was living as opposed to the happy stay at home mum picture I portrayed to my family. My honesty about my real life and the abuse I have endured for 17 years from my h has led me to the same situation that I believe you now find yourself in.

I will post a link to show you, or any other woman who believes that this (unacceptable) life is it, that speaking out to random strangers, from anywhere in the world with the help of a lap top late at night, can be the catalist for the start of a life free from control, manipulation and abuse.

I wish you well in your plans to bring about a better life for you and your dd. I too am still living with my h, but each day I grow stronger with the help of my online friends and I too hope to be free very soon. xx

/boards/mc.asp?ID=216970&G=12&forumdb=3

therealme · 01/08/2009 01:12

Link did work; i am truelly a novice at this! The site is www.rollercoaster.ie Go to family relationships and read 'the appaling truth about me' x

Chessiers · 01/08/2009 02:28

Moll rest assured that while there are no perfect relationships most relationships are good and make both people happy most of the time. DH and I both get things wrong, but when we do we forgive each other. Sometimes one of us has to give in to the other, but we take it in turns to compromise. Sometimes one of us gets exasperated or loses our temper, but when we do we apologise and take resposnsibility for it. We both cover for the other when work is demanding and both our jobs are seen as important. Above all we don't punish or manipulate each other or use the children as pawns in our relationship. You deserve all of that too, and you're prepared to give it.

Once you're free you will see his moves for what they are and know that you have done the right thing.

Good luck with the move.

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