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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

(TW SA) New support thread …

329 replies

PinkPoetAgain1 · 15/05/2026 13:18

Another thread full, still learning that things are not normal as I thought they were .

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5522581-tw-sa-new-therapist-new-thread

thank you everyone for being so patient and supportive ❤️

OP posts:
WallaceinAnderland · 20/05/2026 12:46

Maybe he didn’t realise how serious it is until now

How serious what is?

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:46

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 12:39

What does the fresh start entail?

Him not doing it anymore
that’s what he says
he says he will go to the sofa if he’s feeling too sexually frustrated

OP posts:
PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:47

WallaceinAnderland · 20/05/2026 12:46

Maybe he didn’t realise how serious it is until now

How serious what is?

The sex, assaults , whatever I’m calling it
I don’t think he realised the actual trauma symptoms I’m having until he saw it

OP posts:
OtterlyAstounding · 20/05/2026 12:49

He’s full of shit. After having read too much of the Afghanistan threads today, I am sick to the back teeth of male depravity, so I won’t go over all the many ways in which your husband has deliberately preyed on you, groomed you, manipulated you, sexually coerced you, raped you, and financially abused you, since you first met him – a man in his thirties – as a vulnerable teenager and recent rape victim.

(Skimming through the thread might be a good idea for you, if you’re starting to feel swayed by him again, Poet.)

But he’s full of shit.

Right now, he has a wife who he has subjected to years of abuse and rape, who is suddenly not just lying back and accepting it, like she’s supposed to. Suddenly, she’s pushing back. She’s seeing a therapist! Who knows what she’s saying, and to who, aside from the therapist? She could leave – or there could be criminal charges. His whole life – his years of grooming and systemic abuse – suddenly seems vulnerable, because she’s not cooperating properly anymore. Something has changed.

Subconsciously or consciously, he’s likely in damage control mode, and reacting to your changes in behaviour and habit. He’s adjusting. He’s trying to figure out ‘what will get her to stop pursuing this, so things can go back to normal?’
For a while, he fell into a holding pattern focusing around therapy, which other pps picked up on – a cycle where he shifted through rape or sexual assault, to apology, to niceness, to ‘I’ll stop pestering you’, etc. Now, it seems as though he’s realising you’re not just going to let the therapy go, and his holding pattern might not work for much longer.

So he’s shifting to more active ‘look how lovely I am, and how distraught that you’re upset!’ and ‘look how much I care and am trying!’ behaviour, and crucially – ‘can’t we just start over?’ which would mean, as pp said, wiping the slate clean. It would mean making his past behaviour unmentionable – so he could guilt you if you ever brought it up. I imagine he would then start complaining about your therapy, how you were refusing to let go of things, how you won’t have enough sex with him, and he might criticise your drinking etc.

This is not him turning over a new leaf. This is him figuring out how to try to regain control of a situation that is very precarious for him – which is why your therapist, and many of us on the thread are concerned that he is a danger to you. The ultimate form of control is killing, which is why men who think they are losing control are at their most unpredictable and dangerous.

DaisyChain26 · 20/05/2026 12:51

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:34

Maybe .
I don’t think he’s actually seen me having a night mare/terror before

Maybe he didn’t realise how serious it is until now

But thanks to you guys I’m going into the ‘fresh start’ with open eyes I guess

But my lovely, how can anyone not realise how serious rape and SA is? Or rather, what kind of person doesn’t realise?

Gently and with care OP, all those times you told him the impact and yet it’s ok for him not to have listened and only “realised” when he saw a night terror? So if there is no physical proof he doesn’t believe you? Not really?

Even if you never told of any impact, the fact of what he had done should have been enough OP. I really hope you start to see this x

anotheruser345 · 20/05/2026 12:52

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:47

The sex, assaults , whatever I’m calling it
I don’t think he realised the actual trauma symptoms I’m having until he saw it

But you have told him, you are in therapy. He knows, he just didn't care.

Im sorry but adults know sexual assault and rape are wrong! He didnt need to see you have a nightmare to know this.

I hope for your sake He stops but I just see this as another manipulation, its the day for him to be nice and in 2 days time he will be fed up and do what he wants because his needs trump everything.

OtterlyAstounding · 20/05/2026 12:52

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:47

The sex, assaults , whatever I’m calling it
I don’t think he realised the actual trauma symptoms I’m having until he saw it

I'm sure he's worrying that you're distressed, and you are likely telling your therapist all about it, and getting support and validation - perhaps for the first time, he's realising that he could actually be convicted of rape and abuse.

(I'm not saying you would ever do that, Poet, just pointing out that he is likely realising it's an actual possibility.)

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 12:54

So all those deep and meaningful heart to heart chats you've had, followed by make up sex. The 5-6 times in the duration of these threads? When you've told him how badly it was impacting you? When he said he was really sorry and would do anything, anything?

What is different this time?

YourOliveBalonz · 20/05/2026 12:54

“Maybe he didn’t realise how serious it is until now”

This hope of yours makes me so sad! You’ve had tearful conversations before about the impact on you, he’s told you he hates himself and what he’s done. He knows, he’s known before now, he knows you’re in therapy. A nightmare is going to make all the difference.

”he says he will go to the sofa if he’s feeling too sexually frustrated”

He’s not sexually frustrated, and he’s not incapable of sorting any urges out by himself, he doesn’t need to go to the sofa for any other reason than to send a message to you about how he ‘suffers’ his ‘frustration’ for your sake. He is a rapist. He has considerably more sex than the average couple in long term relationship and young children, and it is never enough. Because he is a rapist and it’s not about sexual frustration.

scoobysnaxx · 20/05/2026 12:54

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 11:32

You are having night terrors due to PTSD caused by him repeatedly raping you, including in your sleep. Him cuddling and looking sad isn't making that better.

That is not "all ok".

Your therapist doesn't think you should ask him again about the finances, not because he may sulk or shout but because there is a serious risk he will escalate to seriously injure or kill you.

When he says he wants to start again, I think you should believe him. He wants to go back to the start of your relationship when you were a vulnerable, traumatised and impressionable teenage girl and much easier for him to manipulate with the techniques from his rape manual. He doesn't want to deal with the intelligent and courageous adult woman you are now who is starting to recognise and call out his bullshit.

All of this OP.

Nightmares are a common symptom of PTSD. Your brain and body have learned that you are violated and vulnerable once asleep.

He is not going to change.

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 12:55

anotheruser345 · 20/05/2026 12:52

But you have told him, you are in therapy. He knows, he just didn't care.

Im sorry but adults know sexual assault and rape are wrong! He didnt need to see you have a nightmare to know this.

I hope for your sake He stops but I just see this as another manipulation, its the day for him to be nice and in 2 days time he will be fed up and do what he wants because his needs trump everything.

Not even "needs". He might frame it as that but no-one needs to have sex.

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:55

OtterlyAstounding · 20/05/2026 12:52

I'm sure he's worrying that you're distressed, and you are likely telling your therapist all about it, and getting support and validation - perhaps for the first time, he's realising that he could actually be convicted of rape and abuse.

(I'm not saying you would ever do that, Poet, just pointing out that he is likely realising it's an actual possibility.)

I agree that this is a possibility.
it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even know it was a criminal offence to rape your wife before all this. He does sometimes say ‘but we’re married ..’ in response to some of his more pestering ‘jokey’ behaviour in the past

I bet he’s looked it up and he might be more wary now

OP posts:
scoobysnaxx · 20/05/2026 12:57

WallaceinAnderland · 20/05/2026 12:17

I wonder if he was already touching you when the night terror started and he quickly changed from attacker to comforter?

That's the thing though isn't it. You'll never know. You can't trust him to keep his hands to himself and you can't trust him to tell the truth.

What did you say to him that prompted him to ask if he could start over?

Also this.

this is a very very real possibility OP.

you may have begun to panic as an assault took place.

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 12:57

That just speaks further to his mindset. He thinks he owns you. Like the child bride of the Taliban.

FiloPasty · 20/05/2026 12:58

I’m sure you’ve seen in the press all the harrowing details of the MAFS women being raped. I’m sure he can’t of missed these things in the press too, the details were so similar to some of your posts.

Please listen to the real concern on this thread Poet.

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:59

FiloPasty · 20/05/2026 12:58

I’m sure you’ve seen in the press all the harrowing details of the MAFS women being raped. I’m sure he can’t of missed these things in the press too, the details were so similar to some of your posts.

Please listen to the real concern on this thread Poet.

I am listening
I have to go for a bit as he’s home now but will check in when I can
havnt seen about MAFS actually but I’ll look it up

OP posts:
DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 13:00

You know he raped you when he thought you were asleep and lied about it when he asked you. You don't know what he was doing to you last night when your body reacted with terror.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 20/05/2026 13:05

It is not ' normal ' to have all these migraines that you do, you really should see your GP about them.

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 13:05

I’ve just had a quick look at the MAFS stories, so sorry for those poor women .

Men can be awful

He’s said to me ‘you’re making me feel like some sort of rapist’
which is what one of those guys said allegedly
they don’t think it counts ?

OP posts:
PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 13:07

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 20/05/2026 13:05

It is not ' normal ' to have all these migraines that you do, you really should see your GP about them.

I have , I’ve had them on and off my whole life. It’s normal to get migraines quite a lot. Sometimes I get one weekly and then none for a few weeks. The doctors aren’t concerned and I manage it with meds

OP posts:
DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 13:09

Yes he is "some sort of rapist"

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 13:10

Why is he home so early?

OtterlyAstounding · 20/05/2026 13:11

PinkPoetAgain1 · 20/05/2026 12:55

I agree that this is a possibility.
it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even know it was a criminal offence to rape your wife before all this. He does sometimes say ‘but we’re married ..’ in response to some of his more pestering ‘jokey’ behaviour in the past

I bet he’s looked it up and he might be more wary now

I'm sorry Poet, but - of course he knows it's a criminal offence! He's in his forties, not his eighties. He knows that being married doesn't give him legal immunity against sexual assault or rape accusations - he might think you'd never actually go to the police, but he most definitely has always known that it's illegal, and he knows he's been raping you.

Ansjovis · 20/05/2026 13:11

He's not raping you because he's sexually frustrated, he's raping you because he gets a kick out of controlling and degrading you. And if you're waiting for him to admit it or for there to be a neon sign you'll be waiting a while because these men just don't do that. They're not going to go "of course, you're right. I am in full knowledge that I'm raping you and I enjoy it that way". Deny, deflect, minimise, confuse. That's what they do.

DropOfffArtiste · 20/05/2026 13:11

Migraines are awful, you have my sympathies. If you are having them so frequently they can give you daily meds to help I think. I use triptans which are miraculous, and they have eased off a lot as I've got older so assume there is a hormonal link.

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