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He's definitely restarted the affair

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Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 03/05/2026 19:46

2 years ago my husband had an affair and we reconciled. All was going well. He left his job for a bit and then had to go back. In March he went on a trip where she was, first time since. He came back off. I suspected, he denied. Then he said he hasn't been happy, rhe effort of dealing with my triggers from the affair was too much. He was worn out. He was planning to stay until after my hysterectomy this week and then move out. Since then its been a roller coaster. Warm some days, cold the next. In amongst it i filed for divorce. Some days he wanted to try and some days he was like an imposter in my husbands body. Over and over I asked about her he said he wasn't talking to her.
Today I got forwarded messages between them from her husband. He's been at it again.
He says he wasn't cheating, he'd already decided it was over between us he wouldn't tell me so I'd let him look after me and rhe kids through my surgery.
So now I know. I already suspected it shouldn't be a shock. I'd already said ir was over but I suppose some part of me was hanging on.
No point to this really except maybe to warn others and to get a bit or a handhold as this feels bloody unbearable.

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Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 31/05/2026 18:01

OchreRaven · 31/05/2026 17:47

While he still believes he is the good guy I would try and finalise the divorce. If his relationship implodes and you aren’t willing to take him back he might not be so happy sitting in a small rental paying you child maintenance while you have the house. He’s being accommodating now because he feels guilty and being the ‘good guy’ in the situation benefits him. When it no longer does he won’t be anymore.

Get everything nailed down now and finalise it asap. Don’t delay in the hope of him seeing sense. Even if that were to happen you could never trust him again.

Thank you I'm on it. We've agreed financial in principle and it's with the solicitor waiting for the 20 week wait period to come up in September

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Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 31/05/2026 21:48

DoubleShotEspressox · 31/05/2026 16:23

I have followed along and just wanted to chime in. I hope you’re ok op.

Judging from his most recent comments and behaviour it’s like he almost doesn’t believe that you’ve separated. You forgave him once for the affair (understandable) but it’s like he thinks you’ll forgive him again and he can stay?

I can guarantee he regrets the whole thing, it’s embarrassing for him isn’t it. And he’s dug himself a hole with the AP, too much of a pussy to just end it, so letting her live this treacherous fairy tale abroad.

I wonder if he’s hoping he can fade her out, remain in the family home and get back into your bed without too much drama.

He needs to go Op, when does he move out?

Honestly I don't know what he's thinking! He picked his rental last weekend, hasn't told me his moving date 🙄 but I had told him previously I don't want him here past the end of June when I can drive again.
He doesn't seem to be trying to reconcile and I don't want to.
He says he's not currently talking to ap, that he 'can't deal with that at the moment as he's focused on taking care of all of us here' (I don't believe this for a second) but won't confirm its ended either. I've asked him several times to end it and skip us the trauma of having her around in the future as well as give iur marriage a respectful end. But he won't. Says he'll deal with it his own way- which I take as he'll bring it out into the open when he feels the dust has settled or they have an actual plan. I'm not talking to him about it anymore its a waste of my energy.
I also think he should be embarrassed. Whether he will or not is another matter. The couple or friends he has here are husbands of my friends so they'll know. And at work (where he's Billy big balls) his boss was aware of the first affair which was a big embarrassment to him so can't imagine he'd be keen for colleagues to know they both happened to get divorced at the same time and end up together 🤷‍♀️
I feel like he's still trying to hang onto the charade he had planned that we ended and she just happened to divorce at the same time. So he's not the cliche it looks like 🙄

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OchreRaven · 31/05/2026 22:15

Does his work allow relationships between colleagues? He’ll surely have to declare it even if it’s allowed. And if he doesn’t do it soon then presumably he could get in trouble at work for it? Or is he expecting one of them to leave their jobs?

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 31/05/2026 22:21

OchreRaven · 31/05/2026 22:15

Does his work allow relationships between colleagues? He’ll surely have to declare it even if it’s allowed. And if he doesn’t do it soon then presumably he could get in trouble at work for it? Or is he expecting one of them to leave their jobs?

I don't know. I know her husband emailed their HR with details including evidence of tbe affair, that there was lots of communication in work time on work tools and details of the trip in 2024 where they used a company paid hotel room as well as the trips she didn't attend in 2025 because he was there.
I don't know what the outcome of that was / will he or what they might do.
I worry as we will still he reliant on his income.
Either way it's not a good look for a middle aged father to announce his relationship with a 32yo colleague shortly after they both conveniently separate with their spouses

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rainbowstardrops · 01/06/2026 15:27

What an idiot he is. And how blinkered the OW is. Like I said before, they deserve each other.

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 01/06/2026 17:18

He's a total idiot.
The kids are struggling with this so I've looked into family therapy.
I told him I'm planning to go with the boys to family therapy and he is welcome to join if he'd like to. He doesn't want to and doesn't see why we need it as people break up all the time.. 🙄

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OchreRaven · 01/06/2026 18:31

He doesn’t want to go to family therapy for the same reason he doesn’t tell his therapist about his continued affair. It taints the vision of him as the ‘victim’ and ‘good man in a bad situation’.

As someone who has a therapist it’s mind boggling that he can’t comprehend how it would benefit his children. The only reason he doesn’t want to do it, is he would have to face the hurt he has caused in front of a professional. He would rather his children emotionally struggle than face up to his actions. Selfish to the end.

Hollycoco · 01/06/2026 19:20

OchreRaven · 01/06/2026 18:31

He doesn’t want to go to family therapy for the same reason he doesn’t tell his therapist about his continued affair. It taints the vision of him as the ‘victim’ and ‘good man in a bad situation’.

As someone who has a therapist it’s mind boggling that he can’t comprehend how it would benefit his children. The only reason he doesn’t want to do it, is he would have to face the hurt he has caused in front of a professional. He would rather his children emotionally struggle than face up to his actions. Selfish to the end.

Yes I absolutely agree. These type of men are always too cowardly for honest self reflection and to admit that their behaviour has hurt other people. Their ego cannot see themselves as anything other than the perpetual victim.

goodThingGonewrong · 01/06/2026 20:04

Agree. He’s wasting money going to therapy. The whole reason for going to therapy is to speak your truth not hide it. He is evidently a narcissist.

trendysetter · 01/06/2026 20:28

goodThingGonewrong · 01/06/2026 20:04

Agree. He’s wasting money going to therapy. The whole reason for going to therapy is to speak your truth not hide it. He is evidently a narcissist.

I agree, a lot of narcissist traits here OP.

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 01/06/2026 21:58

You know its really interesting everyone saying narcissistic traits! One of the books we read in affair recovery said the only type of person you shouldn't reconcile with is a narcissist and listed a bunch of traits.
HE raised that he was really worried he fell into that category. I said he couldn't as I know they don't usually recognise it themselves.
What a fool I was. He was literally telling me I should run.

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Bluebellfairy44 · 02/06/2026 11:14

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 31/05/2026 21:48

Honestly I don't know what he's thinking! He picked his rental last weekend, hasn't told me his moving date 🙄 but I had told him previously I don't want him here past the end of June when I can drive again.
He doesn't seem to be trying to reconcile and I don't want to.
He says he's not currently talking to ap, that he 'can't deal with that at the moment as he's focused on taking care of all of us here' (I don't believe this for a second) but won't confirm its ended either. I've asked him several times to end it and skip us the trauma of having her around in the future as well as give iur marriage a respectful end. But he won't. Says he'll deal with it his own way- which I take as he'll bring it out into the open when he feels the dust has settled or they have an actual plan. I'm not talking to him about it anymore its a waste of my energy.
I also think he should be embarrassed. Whether he will or not is another matter. The couple or friends he has here are husbands of my friends so they'll know. And at work (where he's Billy big balls) his boss was aware of the first affair which was a big embarrassment to him so can't imagine he'd be keen for colleagues to know they both happened to get divorced at the same time and end up together 🤷‍♀️
I feel like he's still trying to hang onto the charade he had planned that we ended and she just happened to divorce at the same time. So he's not the cliche it looks like 🙄

Op this is so so the same as what im living through right now. Its awful. These bloody men need shaking. Im feeling really numb and detached, how are you doing this morning? 🫂

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 11:35

Bluebellfairy44 · 02/06/2026 11:14

Op this is so so the same as what im living through right now. Its awful. These bloody men need shaking. Im feeling really numb and detached, how are you doing this morning? 🫂

Oh I'm so sorry you're dealing with this too. Numb and detached is familiar to me too. I cycle through all sorts all the time.
Today I'm struggling a little. I'm out and a bit after my op and it's weird to do normal stuff when nothing feels normal.
He was teary this morning. He didn't say why and I didn't ask.
My guess is its all catching up on him that he's made these catastrophic decisions in a short time and in the middle of affair fog, but the damage is done now.

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Thewookiemustgo · 02/06/2026 12:58

I’m glad to hear you’re out and about, but I understand the surreal feelings.
It’s that oddness you feel, when you discover that life just ploughs on around you as apparently normal, with absolutely no regard to any personal crisis. You recognise it as normality, but you feel like an alien in it. Life has a nasty habit of one day everything being normal and the next day a whole new set of circumstances panning out in what yesterday was a ‘normal’ backdrop. Normal will become normal again in time, don’t worry that you’re struggling, it’s to be expected sadly. One day at a time.
Don’t try to be superwoman, take a rest, a step back, do something nice for yourself that you’d usually enjoy.
It’s bound to feel like a struggle. Even typing that looks like the understatement of the year. Be kind to yourself, this is early days yet and his moping around like a wet rag won’t be helping you.
I agree with the term “affair fog”. It in no way excuses anything, but crikey O’ Riley, people in the middle of or the immediate aftermath of an affair are not their normal selves, I swear to God. The illogical crap coming out of my husband’s mouth when I found out turned him into somebody I didn’t recognise and you could almost see the shock and confusion hit as LaLa Land unravelled. I said to him once “Seriously? Can you actually bloody hear yourself?” And he burst into tears.
They’ve brainwashed themselves into a whole new set of filters to run stuff through and are shocked when reality hits, to find their new, self-constructed (through lies, bullshit justifications, excuses, blaming others, minimising) parameters don’t seem to function in the real world outside their affair bubble. They’ve told themselves that even shit smells of roses by the time reality hits. People say cheating men cry crocodile tears and are still lying to garner sympathy and get forgiven, but I don’t think they do in all circumstances. My husband is super intelligent academically and an expert in his field and discovered to his horror his capacity for being able to lie, manipulate and hide stuff because he was actually too cowardly to face the truth and deal with anything uncomfortable. That he could risk me and his children for an entitled thrill. He realised his ego was so huge that he was too arrogant, too easily hurt and bitterly resentful, to accept what had happened to him in his career as a direct result of somebody else’s incompetence. He realised he could lie to himself as convincingly as he could lie to others and that excitement, lust and a secret thrill ain’t love. He’d risked his whole life for that, for a pile of teenage level crap. Couldn’t believe that he could do it or believe it, it actually scared him. My tiny violin was sadly at the repair shop and all that, but it was real. Boy did he bitterly regret it and he almost took his own life.
If his feelings for her pan out to be real, and some affairs become a real relationship (tiny amount in comparison) then he’d be guilty and sorry, sure, but not saying what he’s saying now.
The penny drops either pretty much immediately (in my case), a bit more slowly after drastic decisions start to look like colossal mistakes (I think this is your husband) or later, when OW turns out to be less fascinating in real situations.
Sometimes they plough on because of sunk costs fallacy and post rationalising because hey, if I’ve done all this damage, this really has to work and I have to prove to everyone that I have made the right decision. Boy, will I ever look like the biggest arsehole if I’m wrong…… Or, they just ditch it all and try to get their life back, sadly when it’s too late, the damage is too great.
Cheating men are many things, ‘enormous idiot’ being just one of them.

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 13:18

Thewookiemustgo · 02/06/2026 12:58

I’m glad to hear you’re out and about, but I understand the surreal feelings.
It’s that oddness you feel, when you discover that life just ploughs on around you as apparently normal, with absolutely no regard to any personal crisis. You recognise it as normality, but you feel like an alien in it. Life has a nasty habit of one day everything being normal and the next day a whole new set of circumstances panning out in what yesterday was a ‘normal’ backdrop. Normal will become normal again in time, don’t worry that you’re struggling, it’s to be expected sadly. One day at a time.
Don’t try to be superwoman, take a rest, a step back, do something nice for yourself that you’d usually enjoy.
It’s bound to feel like a struggle. Even typing that looks like the understatement of the year. Be kind to yourself, this is early days yet and his moping around like a wet rag won’t be helping you.
I agree with the term “affair fog”. It in no way excuses anything, but crikey O’ Riley, people in the middle of or the immediate aftermath of an affair are not their normal selves, I swear to God. The illogical crap coming out of my husband’s mouth when I found out turned him into somebody I didn’t recognise and you could almost see the shock and confusion hit as LaLa Land unravelled. I said to him once “Seriously? Can you actually bloody hear yourself?” And he burst into tears.
They’ve brainwashed themselves into a whole new set of filters to run stuff through and are shocked when reality hits, to find their new, self-constructed (through lies, bullshit justifications, excuses, blaming others, minimising) parameters don’t seem to function in the real world outside their affair bubble. They’ve told themselves that even shit smells of roses by the time reality hits. People say cheating men cry crocodile tears and are still lying to garner sympathy and get forgiven, but I don’t think they do in all circumstances. My husband is super intelligent academically and an expert in his field and discovered to his horror his capacity for being able to lie, manipulate and hide stuff because he was actually too cowardly to face the truth and deal with anything uncomfortable. That he could risk me and his children for an entitled thrill. He realised his ego was so huge that he was too arrogant, too easily hurt and bitterly resentful, to accept what had happened to him in his career as a direct result of somebody else’s incompetence. He realised he could lie to himself as convincingly as he could lie to others and that excitement, lust and a secret thrill ain’t love. He’d risked his whole life for that, for a pile of teenage level crap. Couldn’t believe that he could do it or believe it, it actually scared him. My tiny violin was sadly at the repair shop and all that, but it was real. Boy did he bitterly regret it and he almost took his own life.
If his feelings for her pan out to be real, and some affairs become a real relationship (tiny amount in comparison) then he’d be guilty and sorry, sure, but not saying what he’s saying now.
The penny drops either pretty much immediately (in my case), a bit more slowly after drastic decisions start to look like colossal mistakes (I think this is your husband) or later, when OW turns out to be less fascinating in real situations.
Sometimes they plough on because of sunk costs fallacy and post rationalising because hey, if I’ve done all this damage, this really has to work and I have to prove to everyone that I have made the right decision. Boy, will I ever look like the biggest arsehole if I’m wrong…… Or, they just ditch it all and try to get their life back, sadly when it’s too late, the damage is too great.
Cheating men are many things, ‘enormous idiot’ being just one of them.

The affair fog and the imposter that appears during the affair have been real both times in my case.
I knew he was cheating again when he couldn't look at me, couldn't touch me and spoke with an entirely different and very detached tone.
Last time the affair fog lifted within in days and took the imposter with it.
This time the imposter seems to have departed, but the affair fog is lifting slower, and too late.
He told me today he's not over me, that he keeps hurting us all, that he doesn't trust himself. I had thought when he kept saying he's worried he'll hurt me thst he was using the script and I think he was to start with.
I'm starting to think, based on his actions not just his words, that he is realising he's catastrophically ballsed not only his life but mine and rhe kids this time. I do think he's regretting his choices. But I also think he's regretting them due to the impact to him not so much to us.
I know I'll thank myself later for letting him go, but it is hard.

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goodThingGonewrong · 02/06/2026 13:40

I think it’s very difficult what he’s saying to you that “ he hasn’t got over you”. It’s very manipulative even if it isn’t meant to be . By saying it he’s putting the ownership on you and that’s not the case. You are where you are because of the many conscious decisions he made.
I think as the rental is ready he should go now. He should just come to drop the boys to school ect. This is really really hard for you and I don’t blame you if you are burning a candle for him in a small corner of your heart. Not because he deserves the love but because it’s hard for you.

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 13:44

goodThingGonewrong · 02/06/2026 13:40

I think it’s very difficult what he’s saying to you that “ he hasn’t got over you”. It’s very manipulative even if it isn’t meant to be . By saying it he’s putting the ownership on you and that’s not the case. You are where you are because of the many conscious decisions he made.
I think as the rental is ready he should go now. He should just come to drop the boys to school ect. This is really really hard for you and I don’t blame you if you are burning a candle for him in a small corner of your heart. Not because he deserves the love but because it’s hard for you.

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He hasn't even told me when he can move into the rental yet. He hasn't told the kids hes got it either. I had to ask him if he took it!
I agree though, sooner rhe better.
I still love him as much as when we got him so I have to deal with everything with my head not my heart. My heart can wait to be handled when he leaves.

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nextcrapthing · 02/06/2026 15:43

I remember your first thread.
He dumped OW right after he slept with her, used her body and dumped her back to her husband.
And then this time, he did it again.
Has he ever apologised to OW’s husband? He is almost old enough to the OW’s husband’s father. Imagine one day, your DC will become someone else’s husband. Some middle age man did this to him twice. How would you feel?
At the moment, from the OW’s husband prospective, your h has his wife and his DC by his side while his wife as his mistress waiting in the wing for him. He has got everything and ruined everyone’s lives.
Stop feeling sorry for him!

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:14

nextcrapthing · 02/06/2026 15:43

I remember your first thread.
He dumped OW right after he slept with her, used her body and dumped her back to her husband.
And then this time, he did it again.
Has he ever apologised to OW’s husband? He is almost old enough to the OW’s husband’s father. Imagine one day, your DC will become someone else’s husband. Some middle age man did this to him twice. How would you feel?
At the moment, from the OW’s husband prospective, your h has his wife and his DC by his side while his wife as his mistress waiting in the wing for him. He has got everything and ruined everyone’s lives.
Stop feeling sorry for him!

He's not ditched her again yet, despite my asking him too. The idea of her being in my periphery is unbearable.
Nope no apology from him to her husband, who is such a kind and lovely man and didn't deserve any of this.
My husbands view is her choices are her responsibility - which is hard to argue with. But I still feel he's treated her badly. Not as badly as he's treated me and dc of course

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onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:17

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:14

He's not ditched her again yet, despite my asking him too. The idea of her being in my periphery is unbearable.
Nope no apology from him to her husband, who is such a kind and lovely man and didn't deserve any of this.
My husbands view is her choices are her responsibility - which is hard to argue with. But I still feel he's treated her badly. Not as badly as he's treated me and dc of course

Has he apologized to his own kids yet?

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:18

onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:17

Has he apologized to his own kids yet?

Nope!

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onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:19

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:18

Nope!

and the kids are old enough to know? how do they handle he's not going to apologize?

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:25

onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:19

and the kids are old enough to know? how do they handle he's not going to apologize?

Yeah they are 12 and 10. They only know that he's leaving and that it's because he is with a new lady. They understand that that's not something that should happen if you're married / committed to someone.
As they get older and understand more on adult relationships they can form their own view
At the moment I'm just trying to reassure them that they are loved by us both.
Oldest doesn't want to do overnights at his Dad's, and thinks Wednesday evening and friday-monday at his dad's is too much for one week so he's going to do less.

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onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:37

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 16:25

Yeah they are 12 and 10. They only know that he's leaving and that it's because he is with a new lady. They understand that that's not something that should happen if you're married / committed to someone.
As they get older and understand more on adult relationships they can form their own view
At the moment I'm just trying to reassure them that they are loved by us both.
Oldest doesn't want to do overnights at his Dad's, and thinks Wednesday evening and friday-monday at his dad's is too much for one week so he's going to do less.

Do they feel confused? How can daddy loves us but still wants to go away?

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 02/06/2026 17:29

onwardsUpwardsTopwards · 02/06/2026 16:37

Do they feel confused? How can daddy loves us but still wants to go away?

I'm sure they do, or will do. They've mostly been interested in the logistics so far and understanding what it will look like in practice.
But I think because he's still here at the moment it's not really very real to them.
I keep talking to them about how things will be, and they are having fun coming up with new routines and traditions for us. Onesie Wednesdays with picky tea is currently popular! But I don't expect it will hit them properly until he's packing and moving out.

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