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Heartbroken all over - will he be different with her?

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TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:36

Hi

I'm sure you will remember me. I was doing ok. My name is slightly different now as I think my last account was erased despite pleas to reinstate it. I am being totally visible about that - I'm the same person.

You may remember my Heartbroken post from last year. I have been in intensive and ongoing therapy over my ex, who I have been told by numerous therapists, is narcissistic and abusive and that the version of him that I fell for, wasn't actually real. This is the man who, without going over all the dreaded detail again, entered into a relationship with me, has the two ex wives and travels back and forward to Vietnam. His children have no relationship with him either, and have disowned him. I am now 50 and this man is 54.

For reference I absolutely adored this man, we weren't together very long and at the start it was all new exciting, thrilling lots of contact and intimacy. But it soon turned very sour and as we worked together, I had to move departments due to his childish and irregular behaviour. He began hiding from me in the toilets at work - for the one reason that I had borrowed his coffee cup - telling my colleagues and called a meeting with our boss in which he told me that our intimacy wasn't love making - it was f - and my boss did nothing. During one of his regular trips to Vietnam, I moved departments. On the odd occasions when I do see him now, he will deviate between complete ignorance, and joking. Just last week as he told me he was returning to Vietnam, he asked me if the bag I was carrying contained a 'sexual item' and asked was it a 'rubber vagina'. This from the man who once said I made him so uncomfortable that he had to hide in the toilets. He then proudly announced he was going to Vietnam this week.

As if that wasn't enough, he completely stuck the knife in by announcing, 'I have a girlfriend, she's 38, beautiful, and I love her, I'm happy. I know in my heart it's right'. He then took out a picture of her and thrust it in my face. He said they 'facetime every night'. He claims he is now a Buddhist and has quit smoking and drugs. He was on a lot of cocaine for years.

This was a week and a half ago and I have struggled ever since. My therapist maintains he is a narcissist but what is making it worse for me is the current rumour that he may be getting married to this woman. He has met her in person once. The photo has him with his head on her shoulder and she is on his knee, they are holding hands. He was in no way kind in how he chose to tell me.

I feel absolutely devastated. He was brutally cruel to me for the time I was with him, blowing hot and cold but always saying 'just give me time' and I believed him. He said I was his soulmate and wanted me to meet his family. He asked me to move into my Mum's room with him knowing she had only died a few years previous to that. Then he pulled the rug, with me struggling to understand since then (3 years ago) what I've done wrong.

I've tried to get help and am doing things like going to the gym and yoga. But this has really set me back to the point my therapist told me today that she is insistent that I ring my GP as my 'core scores' were through the roof. I feel exhausted, even walking the short distance to the bus stop, I'm on edge, I feel sick and the reason is I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him. I loved him with my whole heart, I was patient, supportive, understanding and kind. I don't know why he is throwing it in my face that he loves her and if he does marry her, to me, in my mind, it will sort of highlight that I was the problem all along. This would be his third marriage - his second to a Vietnamese woman. He is just moving on as if I didn't exist and I'm struggling so badly to heal. My own mind is frightening me as I feel so deeply and I feel like something is wrong with me? I spoke to a mutual friend who says he is like a child, always chasing after the next shiny thing but even that makes me wonder why I wasn't shiny enough to keep.

I'm sorry to contact you all again, but do you really think he could be different with her? When his own kids won't talk to him? What the hell is so special about Vietnam? His last wife was from there and dumped him when she got her citizenship to the UK.

Thanks again, for listening to me.

OP posts:
Dewdust · 14/04/2026 18:04

You feel hurt because he calculated to hurt you. But the picture could just be photoshopped.
If he's only met her once you can guarantee she has no idea of his devious mind.
No, he wont change.
He will become worse over time.
His obsession with Vietnamese women is because they have a reputation of being compliant and this makes it very easy for hi m to behave as he would like. He wont feel he needs to be accountable. Plus if she comes from poverty she will imagine he is a wealthy foreigner, capable of sending money back to look after her parents and siblings.
You certainly did not deserve his abuse. Nor did you ask for it. But very fortunately you got away.

Callmeback · 14/04/2026 18:08

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:58

He's abusive and a narcissist but he may have found his person? Ah ok, gotcha. My abuse was warranted then. Thanks.

That's not what the poster said or meant at all.

Callmeback · 14/04/2026 18:11

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 15:08

Not helpful.

They're right though. You may not want to hear it or think it's helpful but this poster has it spot on. If you moved on you'd have a life to live. If you don't then you'll forever be living your life based on him.

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 18:20

I am naive I don’t have a lot of relationship experience and I have no family or support. None.

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

of course I want to move on and be happy. I just thought in light of this recent news that there was something wrong with me. Especially how he flaunted her to me. As if I wasn’t enough. He’s completely killed my self esteem. I’ve joined a gym to try to get built up again but the confusion it has caused me that several people including therapists have told me he’s an abuser, and now that he may be getting married I’m thinking ‘how is an abuser? What did I do wrong that he chose to do that to me?’

That’s the best way I know how to explain it. I can positively guarantee I won’t go anywhere near him again.

OP posts:
IHate · 14/04/2026 18:26

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 18:20

I am naive I don’t have a lot of relationship experience and I have no family or support. None.

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

of course I want to move on and be happy. I just thought in light of this recent news that there was something wrong with me. Especially how he flaunted her to me. As if I wasn’t enough. He’s completely killed my self esteem. I’ve joined a gym to try to get built up again but the confusion it has caused me that several people including therapists have told me he’s an abuser, and now that he may be getting married I’m thinking ‘how is an abuser? What did I do wrong that he chose to do that to me?’

That’s the best way I know how to explain it. I can positively guarantee I won’t go anywhere near him again.

Edited

This ‘new information’ changes nothing. Literally all of this has been gone over multiple times in your previous threads. You didn’t accept or engage with what we said then and you’re not accepting or engaging with it now.

Tacohill · 14/04/2026 18:27

Of course you didn’t deserve it, no one does.

If someone is a horrible person or you’re not attracted to them or they’re embarrassing or whatever else he said you were, then you end the relationship - you don’t abuse them.

He has something wrong with him to treat people the way he does.
I hope he treats this woman better than he did you.

But neither of them are your concern.
You have your own life to focus on.
Don’t let him win anymore by not being able to live your own life to the fullest.

ChickenBananaBanana · 14/04/2026 18:29

Op this is just a carbon copy of one of your previous threads except he now has an actual new foreign gf instead of you imaging he has one. You're wasting your life over a guy who could not give less of a fuck. Please seek real life help

OriginalSkang · 14/04/2026 18:31

He's not going to be good to her. He's a wrong'un

BetterOffNow · 14/04/2026 18:43

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

@tigerishomeWhat on earth makes you think he'll be good to her?

LughLongArm · 14/04/2026 18:50

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 18:20

I am naive I don’t have a lot of relationship experience and I have no family or support. None.

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

of course I want to move on and be happy. I just thought in light of this recent news that there was something wrong with me. Especially how he flaunted her to me. As if I wasn’t enough. He’s completely killed my self esteem. I’ve joined a gym to try to get built up again but the confusion it has caused me that several people including therapists have told me he’s an abuser, and now that he may be getting married I’m thinking ‘how is an abuser? What did I do wrong that he chose to do that to me?’

That’s the best way I know how to explain it. I can positively guarantee I won’t go anywhere near him again.

Edited

OP, respectfully, he was married twice before you ever met him — why would you think he wouldn’t remarry, or that his marital status would have anything whatsoever to do with his abusiveness?

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 19:09

I don’t understand what you mean?

OP posts:
category12 · 14/04/2026 19:13

I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him

On what basis do you think she'll get better treatment than you?

Presumably when you got together at the beginning it was lovely and he made you feel good?

Presumably when he first married his other wives, it started off well and then went bad.

If you believe he's a narcissist, you.must have read up about the lovebomb, devalue, discard cycle common to them?

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:15

category12 · 14/04/2026 19:13

I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him

On what basis do you think she'll get better treatment than you?

Presumably when you got together at the beginning it was lovely and he made you feel good?

Presumably when he first married his other wives, it started off well and then went bad.

If you believe he's a narcissist, you.must have read up about the lovebomb, devalue, discard cycle common to them?

Yes I have. I have no information in any of my books as to why they marry someone they barely know though. So now I feel I’m wrong about everything and it’s just filled me with the awful feeling again that only Vietnamese skinny women are lovable.

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:16

LughLongArm · 14/04/2026 18:50

OP, respectfully, he was married twice before you ever met him — why would you think he wouldn’t remarry, or that his marital status would have anything whatsoever to do with his abusiveness?

I’ve read this a few times - do you mean abusive people can and do marry?

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:18

BetterOffNow · 14/04/2026 18:43

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

@tigerishomeWhat on earth makes you think he'll be good to her?

Edited

Because in his words ‘she’s beautiful I love her I know in my heart it’s right’. I feel so annoyed at myself that I forgave him and took him back so many times.

OP posts:
Dewdust · 14/04/2026 21:21

He will treat her just as badly when he is sure that he can get away with it. Maybe even worse than he did with you. He knows she will be alone and friendless in his/ your country so that will make it easier for him.
Your self esteem took a knock back because he tried to present himself as the perfect catch with the perfect partner by telling you : "She's my soul mate " and presenting the picture as evidence.
He is clearly still trying to work his "desirability factor" on you. Because he wants you to feel belittled. That makes him feel big.
He cant exactly say: " Ive lined up my new victim and she'll take a punch or two without going to the police! "
He knows you dont have family for moral support so he is trying a new tactic.
He is trying to make you doubt your judgement. He is implying you w ere the problem.
But he is never going to say: " I'm the selfcentred person who treated you badly because I get a kick out of it. "
He know s you are sensitive to his mind games and still needs to test if he has the power to victimize you.
Please dont be vulnerable to this man efforts at distressing you.

MeridaBrave · 14/04/2026 21:31

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 18:20

I am naive I don’t have a lot of relationship experience and I have no family or support. None.

All I meant by starting this thread is that if he can be good to her, I don’t understand why he was abusive to me. It means to me that I deserved it for some reason. That’s all I meant.

of course I want to move on and be happy. I just thought in light of this recent news that there was something wrong with me. Especially how he flaunted her to me. As if I wasn’t enough. He’s completely killed my self esteem. I’ve joined a gym to try to get built up again but the confusion it has caused me that several people including therapists have told me he’s an abuser, and now that he may be getting married I’m thinking ‘how is an abuser? What did I do wrong that he chose to do that to me?’

That’s the best way I know how to explain it. I can positively guarantee I won’t go anywhere near him again.

Edited

He won’t be good to her. He’s a narcissist he’ll love bomb for a bit and once she’s fallen in love he’ll be abusive to her. That’s his pattern.

Elanol · 14/04/2026 21:32

Look below at the shit he did to you. Look at how he makes you feel. These are your words OP. It doesn't matter what his new relationship is like, That woman took all of this shite out of your life.

It's time to stop letting him hurt you so you can make space for someone to love you.

*who I have been told by numerous therapists, is narcissistic and abusive and that the version of him that I fell for, wasn't actually real.

*But it soon turned very sour

*I had to move departments due to his childish and irregular behaviour. He began hiding from me in the toilets at work

*when I do see him now, he will deviate between complete ignorance, and joking.

*what is making it worse for me is the current rumour that he may be getting married to this woman.

*He was in no way kind in how he chose to tell me.

*He was brutally cruel to me for the time I was with him, blowing hot and cold but always saying 'just give me time' and I believed him.

*He said I was his soulmate and wanted me to meet his family. He asked me to move into my Mum's room with him knowing she had only died a few years previous to that. Then he pulled the rug

*I don't know why he is throwing it in my face that he loves her and if he does marry her, to me, in my mind, it will sort of highlight that I was the problem all along.

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:49

Thanks so much. I appreciate this. I know I’m frustrating- I have tried my whole life to be a good person - but I’m always coming last. I suppose part of me thought if I showed him patience and love and understanding that he had asked for he would eventually realise ‘hey she loves me!’ And as my colleague told me I am the ONLY person in his life that has stuck around. It is crushing to me and to my self esteem that possible based on me being a curvy Irish red head that it wasn’t enough.

im going to the Gp tomorrow and im going to be really honest. - even if it means I’m committed for a while. Anything to make this stop. I never want to see him again.

OP posts:
BeCleverViewer · 14/04/2026 21:59

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:58

He's abusive and a narcissist but he may have found his person? Ah ok, gotcha. My abuse was warranted then. Thanks.

Poster didnt say that. I mean this with absolute kindness. But have you been assessed for narcissism yourself? Because it's not just the level of risk that you're engaging with. It's the level of inability to recognise the situation for what it is. And how appropriate or inappropriate your behaviour is as well as how you use forums. In this instance, I don't think you're a reliable narrator and I don't think we've got the full story about what was going on. But what you have said does paint a very bad picture about you? I think that where people are trying to kid glove. You, it's not going to work. There's something seriously wrong with what you're doing, and it can spiral into something more adjacent to harassment. If you let this continue your heading towards obsession shape perform.Does him showing you pictures indicate this levelless?Spiral, in addition, I remember your first post.This was not a long term.Relationship it wasn't a relationship in any way shape or form it was six which you then began to confront inside the workplace.It indicates to me that you're vulnerable in some way or you have no personal boundaries, you need to accept that he does not want you in that way. That's it you are not his person. You need to go and find your own person as well as getting the help that you need being fully honest with your therapist to your gp.And maybe disengaging from social media

jeaux90 · 14/04/2026 22:00

Ok OP I survived a “relationship”
with a narcissist, I had a child with him.
I left when she was 1 because my therapist told me to run and never look back. Here’s why:

They are empty shells of beings. They have no sense of shame, consequences or compassion. You were a supply that made him feel better for a while. We are all just a supply. You need to stop. None of this is about you it never was. it was only ever about what he needed.

BeCleverViewer · 14/04/2026 22:04

I think maybe you would be better off. Giving the call to the samaritans, because they can listen and then maybe trying talking therapy, but you need to talk to someone anyone outside of this. Your workplace may offer mental health support. Have you considered asking them?It would be the cheapest, if not freeway of getting some help quickly.And they have some sort of duty of care to you

Dewdust · 14/04/2026 22:08

Ok . You always tried to be a good person. You are a curvy , redhair Irish woman. Thats what attracted him! Thats why he wants you to feel belittled now. Because you are good! Because you are pretty. He is trying to make you feel undermined.
Now is the time to tell yourself that you are not his victim! Hold your head up and be proud of yourself for getting out of his cunning trap. I see that it like a kind of torment for you. His words are calculated to try to destroy you. Find your hidden strengths and dont take his bait. We are entitled to ask for help when others are trying to shake our foundations.

ChickenBananaBanana · 14/04/2026 22:27

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:15

Yes I have. I have no information in any of my books as to why they marry someone they barely know though. So now I feel I’m wrong about everything and it’s just filled me with the awful feeling again that only Vietnamese skinny women are lovable.

You think only skinny Vietnamese women find love? Come op you're catastrophising

LughLongArm · 14/04/2026 22:29

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 21:16

I’ve read this a few times - do you mean abusive people can and do marry?

Of course! You say this guy has already been married twice, right.?