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Heartbroken all over - will he be different with her?

274 replies

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:36

Hi

I'm sure you will remember me. I was doing ok. My name is slightly different now as I think my last account was erased despite pleas to reinstate it. I am being totally visible about that - I'm the same person.

You may remember my Heartbroken post from last year. I have been in intensive and ongoing therapy over my ex, who I have been told by numerous therapists, is narcissistic and abusive and that the version of him that I fell for, wasn't actually real. This is the man who, without going over all the dreaded detail again, entered into a relationship with me, has the two ex wives and travels back and forward to Vietnam. His children have no relationship with him either, and have disowned him. I am now 50 and this man is 54.

For reference I absolutely adored this man, we weren't together very long and at the start it was all new exciting, thrilling lots of contact and intimacy. But it soon turned very sour and as we worked together, I had to move departments due to his childish and irregular behaviour. He began hiding from me in the toilets at work - for the one reason that I had borrowed his coffee cup - telling my colleagues and called a meeting with our boss in which he told me that our intimacy wasn't love making - it was f - and my boss did nothing. During one of his regular trips to Vietnam, I moved departments. On the odd occasions when I do see him now, he will deviate between complete ignorance, and joking. Just last week as he told me he was returning to Vietnam, he asked me if the bag I was carrying contained a 'sexual item' and asked was it a 'rubber vagina'. This from the man who once said I made him so uncomfortable that he had to hide in the toilets. He then proudly announced he was going to Vietnam this week.

As if that wasn't enough, he completely stuck the knife in by announcing, 'I have a girlfriend, she's 38, beautiful, and I love her, I'm happy. I know in my heart it's right'. He then took out a picture of her and thrust it in my face. He said they 'facetime every night'. He claims he is now a Buddhist and has quit smoking and drugs. He was on a lot of cocaine for years.

This was a week and a half ago and I have struggled ever since. My therapist maintains he is a narcissist but what is making it worse for me is the current rumour that he may be getting married to this woman. He has met her in person once. The photo has him with his head on her shoulder and she is on his knee, they are holding hands. He was in no way kind in how he chose to tell me.

I feel absolutely devastated. He was brutally cruel to me for the time I was with him, blowing hot and cold but always saying 'just give me time' and I believed him. He said I was his soulmate and wanted me to meet his family. He asked me to move into my Mum's room with him knowing she had only died a few years previous to that. Then he pulled the rug, with me struggling to understand since then (3 years ago) what I've done wrong.

I've tried to get help and am doing things like going to the gym and yoga. But this has really set me back to the point my therapist told me today that she is insistent that I ring my GP as my 'core scores' were through the roof. I feel exhausted, even walking the short distance to the bus stop, I'm on edge, I feel sick and the reason is I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him. I loved him with my whole heart, I was patient, supportive, understanding and kind. I don't know why he is throwing it in my face that he loves her and if he does marry her, to me, in my mind, it will sort of highlight that I was the problem all along. This would be his third marriage - his second to a Vietnamese woman. He is just moving on as if I didn't exist and I'm struggling so badly to heal. My own mind is frightening me as I feel so deeply and I feel like something is wrong with me? I spoke to a mutual friend who says he is like a child, always chasing after the next shiny thing but even that makes me wonder why I wasn't shiny enough to keep.

I'm sorry to contact you all again, but do you really think he could be different with her? When his own kids won't talk to him? What the hell is so special about Vietnam? His last wife was from there and dumped him when she got her citizenship to the UK.

Thanks again, for listening to me.

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 13:55

throwawayimplantchat · 16/04/2026 13:47

Don’t apologise for being graphic.

It was rape, I’m so sorry.

Consenting to intimacy of one kind doesn’t mean you can reasonably have been expected to automatically consent to rough, anal sex with no preparation or discussion.

This man is so awful and I am so glad you are no longer in a relationship with him.

God it's just getting worse isn't it. I would never have accused him of that or anything... I just didn't know. It is still painful in that area to this day. How can this man that I loved be a rapist too? When I tried to discuss it with him a bit later he said 'I have no idea how I did that'.

OP posts:
Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 13:55

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:41

He's met her once. I doubt it.

3 of my closest friends knew after one date that they would marry that person, it’s not beyond possibility.

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 13:59

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 13:55

3 of my closest friends knew after one date that they would marry that person, it’s not beyond possibility.

I don’t think you are helping OP at all with this. Might be true, it it won’t help.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:01

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 13:59

I don’t think you are helping OP at all with this. Might be true, it it won’t help.

Considering some are advising he's also raped me, it really doesn't help.

OP posts:
Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:04

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 13:59

I don’t think you are helping OP at all with this. Might be true, it it won’t help.

The thing is I don’t think yet another thread of people telling OP he’s a narcissist who will never be happy etc is helpful either.

People can change, some people completely turn their lives around, some people don’t, but OP needs to be able to accept that his future is not relevant to her feelings.

It is no good for her to accept its okay because he will never be happy snd so she can move on because actually in 6 months time she could be seeing wedding photos at work, hearing about honeymoons etc, and he very well might be happy with this person.

The only way for OP to actually move on is to stop even thinking about this man’s future or lack of with another woman because being okay with him being miserable relies on him being…miserable, and that’s not a guarantee.

throwawayimplantchat · 16/04/2026 14:08

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 13:55

God it's just getting worse isn't it. I would never have accused him of that or anything... I just didn't know. It is still painful in that area to this day. How can this man that I loved be a rapist too? When I tried to discuss it with him a bit later he said 'I have no idea how I did that'.

Please tell your GP that this happened and that there is still pain. This should be recorded and also should be investigated. You shouldn’t have to live with pain especially in an intimate area for the rest of your life. Damage has clearly been done and that needs looking at.

He does know how he did it. Sorry to be crude but he knew what he was doing as physically it would have felt very different and apparent to him. He did it because he wanted to, that’s it.

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 14:08

@Jellybunny98 I get your point. But I think many people who get a feeling they will marry someone on first meeting aren’t 54 year old men meeting young women in Vietnam?
It seems that OP’s past, the early loss of her dad and then awful raft of abusive relationships has brought her to the point she is now.
But I do get your point and absolutely understand your wider words.

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:14

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 14:08

@Jellybunny98 I get your point. But I think many people who get a feeling they will marry someone on first meeting aren’t 54 year old men meeting young women in Vietnam?
It seems that OP’s past, the early loss of her dad and then awful raft of abusive relationships has brought her to the point she is now.
But I do get your point and absolutely understand your wider words.

The point is we don’t know if he does or doesn’t actually feel that way, and so reassurance that he doesn’t won’t help if in a few weeks time there is an engagement and wedding booked- OP will be back again asking the same things after being convinced he would not do this.

I agree OP’s past plays a huge part here and that is if anything what the advice/therapy should be focusing on. The back and forth about this man being this or that just won’t help because as I say, maybe he will be happily married in a years time and OP will be back to these same feelings if she can’t get to the root of these issues and get free of them.

PumpkinPieAlibi · 16/04/2026 14:24

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:04

The thing is I don’t think yet another thread of people telling OP he’s a narcissist who will never be happy etc is helpful either.

People can change, some people completely turn their lives around, some people don’t, but OP needs to be able to accept that his future is not relevant to her feelings.

It is no good for her to accept its okay because he will never be happy snd so she can move on because actually in 6 months time she could be seeing wedding photos at work, hearing about honeymoons etc, and he very well might be happy with this person.

The only way for OP to actually move on is to stop even thinking about this man’s future or lack of with another woman because being okay with him being miserable relies on him being…miserable, and that’s not a guarantee.

I fully agree with this. I understand that abusive men are unlikely to change but the OP is hinging her happiness on him and his future bride being unhappy. That is not the mindset of someone who has moved on.

It may be unlikely but there is a possibility that he can be happily married in the future. His wife may not be happy but he might be, and OP will only ever see the happy side anyway. What happens then? What happens if he has another child/ren? Or he finds someone as besotted with him as OP was? All of this is possible. Will OP undo all her progress and revert to grieving their relationship again if this happens a year or 5 years in the future?

This is not sustainable and constantly reassuring OP that he is a monster and a narcissist is not doing the good that people are hoping for. What she wants to hear is that it won't work out with anyone else and no one can give that assurance nor is it useful.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:36

PumpkinPieAlibi · 16/04/2026 14:24

I fully agree with this. I understand that abusive men are unlikely to change but the OP is hinging her happiness on him and his future bride being unhappy. That is not the mindset of someone who has moved on.

It may be unlikely but there is a possibility that he can be happily married in the future. His wife may not be happy but he might be, and OP will only ever see the happy side anyway. What happens then? What happens if he has another child/ren? Or he finds someone as besotted with him as OP was? All of this is possible. Will OP undo all her progress and revert to grieving their relationship again if this happens a year or 5 years in the future?

This is not sustainable and constantly reassuring OP that he is a monster and a narcissist is not doing the good that people are hoping for. What she wants to hear is that it won't work out with anyone else and no one can give that assurance nor is it useful.

That's fair enough, but again - a rapist? Pervert? No contact with his kids at their choice? Cruel? Verbally abusive?

You've no idea how hard it is that he would do that to JUST ME. Might as well say it's ME who caused it and I have a defect of some kind.

OP posts:
ChickenBananaBanana · 16/04/2026 14:38

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:36

That's fair enough, but again - a rapist? Pervert? No contact with his kids at their choice? Cruel? Verbally abusive?

You've no idea how hard it is that he would do that to JUST ME. Might as well say it's ME who caused it and I have a defect of some kind.

BUT YOU DONT KNOW ITS JUST YOU. He's not exactly gonna broadcast it is he? He's obviously done SOMETHING bad for his kids to disown him.

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:41

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:36

That's fair enough, but again - a rapist? Pervert? No contact with his kids at their choice? Cruel? Verbally abusive?

You've no idea how hard it is that he would do that to JUST ME. Might as well say it's ME who caused it and I have a defect of some kind.

I don’t think anybody is saying it’s just you, but the point is that it DOESN’T mean he will always treat everybody the same and never change so people trying to reassure you that he will never be happy are wrong.

He might change, he might not, this woman might be the person he decides to be better for, the next one might be, nobody might be- none of that should matter to you though. You cannot start moving on while you’re determined to believe he will never be happy or a good partner to another woman because he might be.

PumpkinPieAlibi · 16/04/2026 14:44

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:36

That's fair enough, but again - a rapist? Pervert? No contact with his kids at their choice? Cruel? Verbally abusive?

You've no idea how hard it is that he would do that to JUST ME. Might as well say it's ME who caused it and I have a defect of some kind.

OP, STOP! Actually read what people are saying, what we are trying to tell you!

We want you to move on and be happy. What we are trying to say is labelling him a rapist/ pervert/ abuser/ narcissist/ monster is NOT how you find happiness.

And convincing yourself he will never find happiness with anyone else is pointless, because no one can know that and it's nothing to do with you moving on.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:45

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:41

I don’t think anybody is saying it’s just you, but the point is that it DOESN’T mean he will always treat everybody the same and never change so people trying to reassure you that he will never be happy are wrong.

He might change, he might not, this woman might be the person he decides to be better for, the next one might be, nobody might be- none of that should matter to you though. You cannot start moving on while you’re determined to believe he will never be happy or a good partner to another woman because he might be.

I get that but it's like saying to me I wasn't enough. I have loved him for years, did everything he asked for, got abused as a result. It has wrecked me. I think I just have to accept she has a magical quality that I don't have. It's based on her looks, I know that deep down. I just hope she will love him when he's in his seventies and she's not even 50 yet.

OP posts:
Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:47

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:45

I get that but it's like saying to me I wasn't enough. I have loved him for years, did everything he asked for, got abused as a result. It has wrecked me. I think I just have to accept she has a magical quality that I don't have. It's based on her looks, I know that deep down. I just hope she will love him when he's in his seventies and she's not even 50 yet.

Maybe she will, maybe they will be head over heels and married for the rest of his life, maybe they will fizzle out next week and never speak again but the thing you need to spend your time focusing on OP is not that- it is yourself.

He might live happily ever after, he might not, but you never will never be happy for as long as you stay focused on him and what he may or may not be doing.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:48

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 14:47

Maybe she will, maybe they will be head over heels and married for the rest of his life, maybe they will fizzle out next week and never speak again but the thing you need to spend your time focusing on OP is not that- it is yourself.

He might live happily ever after, he might not, but you never will never be happy for as long as you stay focused on him and what he may or may not be doing.

He has left me so broken I don't think I deserve to be happy. He also shouted at me in front of my boss and said 'you were just a fuck'. Imagine how painful not only that is, but that someone else doesn't get that treatment. It's agonising.

OP posts:
ChickenBananaBanana · 16/04/2026 14:50

You can't love someone into loving you
You can't force someone into being into you.
You can't subjugate yourself until they treat you nicely.

The only thing you can control is you need to force yourself to get over this obsession. You have to leave your job and cut off any sources of information about this man.

Callmeback · 16/04/2026 14:59

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:45

I get that but it's like saying to me I wasn't enough. I have loved him for years, did everything he asked for, got abused as a result. It has wrecked me. I think I just have to accept she has a magical quality that I don't have. It's based on her looks, I know that deep down. I just hope she will love him when he's in his seventies and she's not even 50 yet.

Why do you hope she loves him in his 70s. He doesn't deserve love and she doesn't deserve to be in a relationship with an abusive twat anymore than you did. OP, you need to step away from this thread. Hearing opinions of strangers will not help. Only YOU can solve this .

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:00

ChickenBananaBanana · 16/04/2026 14:50

You can't love someone into loving you
You can't force someone into being into you.
You can't subjugate yourself until they treat you nicely.

The only thing you can control is you need to force yourself to get over this obsession. You have to leave your job and cut off any sources of information about this man.

Edited

I know this but does it mean he had to be so awful to me? How can you destroy one person and not another?

OP posts:
AncoraAmarena · 16/04/2026 15:01

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:48

He has left me so broken I don't think I deserve to be happy. He also shouted at me in front of my boss and said 'you were just a fuck'. Imagine how painful not only that is, but that someone else doesn't get that treatment. It's agonising.

My ex husband was an alcoholic who spent our money on that and snorting stuff up his nose. He was financially, physically and mentally abusive. He slept with a close friend when I was pregnant with my second child, when we already had a first child under one. We split up when the youngest was 2 months old when I found out about it all.

He's gone on to marry his childhood 'sweetheart' who he was also cheating on me with throughout our marriage and he has continued to make my life a living hell in the years since we split. That's just the tip of the iceberg, I won't bore you with more. The reason I tell you this is not for comment or sympathy but to demonstrate that so many people go through similar to you and I and that those perpetrators go on to marry and have (seemingly) normal relationships with other people who they don't (appear to) treat badly.

WHO CARES? They are not yours or my problem any more. We are FREE. We know what they are capable of but the new wives don't.

You need to find a new therapist by the way. The current one didn't comment on the rape yet managed to diagnose him as a narcissist? She's shit.

IncognitoTime · 16/04/2026 15:02

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:00

I know this but does it mean he had to be so awful to me? How can you destroy one person and not another?

It honestly sounds like you resent that she hasn't been abused. You should never have been treated that way, but why on earth do you begrudge her (allegedly) escaping that same fate?!

Callmeback · 16/04/2026 15:02

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:00

I know this but does it mean he had to be so awful to me? How can you destroy one person and not another?

You keep asking the same thing but it's happened and like everyone has already said it's highly likely that he'll treat her just as badly.

MOVE FORWARD rather than sticking to the present or past.

Elanol · 16/04/2026 15:09

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:36

That's fair enough, but again - a rapist? Pervert? No contact with his kids at their choice? Cruel? Verbally abusive?

You've no idea how hard it is that he would do that to JUST ME. Might as well say it's ME who caused it and I have a defect of some kind.

As I said earlier, normal men do not rape and abuse their partners. They don't become a rapist in one relationship but not in any of the others.

OP you are essentially hoping that another woman will be raped and abused in order for you to feel better. This is why you need to let this go and focus on yourself instead of him.

kellygoeswest · 16/04/2026 15:12

Does any of the following feel familiar?

  • Ignoring red flags to avoid conflict and experiencing the halo effect, where you perceive that they’re perfect
  • Obsessing over every interaction, looking for evidence that they truly care about you
  • Extreme fears of rejection
  • Feeling that you can't live without them
  • A desperate longing to be desired
  • Seeking validation and changing yourself and your behaviours in the hopes they will build a relationship with you
  • Self neglect, and neglect of other responsibilities and relationships in your life.

This can be known as limerance - and calling it this doesn't invalidate your feelings or the events that happened in the past, but you also need to reframe yourself as more than just a victim and take responsibility for yourself too.

This doesn't mean you deserved any level of mistreatment and no one here would suggest that.

It's clear from your responses that you're still trapped in a cycle of centering this man, and obsessing over answers to questions that no one can provide, not even him.

Unfortunately, in life all of us will experience loss. Loss of loved ones, marriage and relationship breakdowns, heartbreak.

Having obsessive thoughts is involuntary - and it's not your fault - but asserting yourself and making the decision to not be passive going forward, is something you can control.

If you're truly ready to move forward and move on from this situation and with your life, then therapy can help you, but only if you are prepared to actively and honestly engage.

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 15:17

I agree that we aren’t helping.
OP is so far stuck into this groove that no words will offer any kind of alternative.
This man, whoever he is, is known as Epstein. That means he’s a predator who buys young or underage women. Imagine being that vulnerable.
I would rather be 50 with my own career than have to get into bed with an abusive rapist.
The thing is, OP believes everything he tells her. The photo could just be a snap taken with a young girl. He doesn’t seem to have even a passing relationship with the truth.
At the heart of all this is why I am being treated like shit and she isn’t?
Well, he didn’t treat OP like shit at first but it didn’t take him long.
I am no expert but this is what I learned after proper soul-searching therapy - nobody owes you anything. You have to create an anchor within yourself, you have to learn who you are and what you like, create boundaries that you will not negotiate, and then you learn how to deal with ‘stuff’ as life isn’t perfect.
I got told to ‘f off you ugly old woman’ not so long ago and I thought well, aren’t you a charmer? I then shouted ‘is it my turn now?’ and the young man in question to be fair laughed. He was projecting his crap onto me and that’s what angry or damaged people do.
But you alone have to make the decision.
I decided during a very difficult night - well, I either end my life or I don’t live like this any more. And once you do that, and get help, and use therapy to talk about yourself and not as a weekly moan about others, which I used to do, it changed my life, and I’m not far off 60.
And I realised everyone has problems, too. Everyone has a history, and most are just trying the best they can, too.

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