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Heartbroken all over - will he be different with her?

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TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:36

Hi

I'm sure you will remember me. I was doing ok. My name is slightly different now as I think my last account was erased despite pleas to reinstate it. I am being totally visible about that - I'm the same person.

You may remember my Heartbroken post from last year. I have been in intensive and ongoing therapy over my ex, who I have been told by numerous therapists, is narcissistic and abusive and that the version of him that I fell for, wasn't actually real. This is the man who, without going over all the dreaded detail again, entered into a relationship with me, has the two ex wives and travels back and forward to Vietnam. His children have no relationship with him either, and have disowned him. I am now 50 and this man is 54.

For reference I absolutely adored this man, we weren't together very long and at the start it was all new exciting, thrilling lots of contact and intimacy. But it soon turned very sour and as we worked together, I had to move departments due to his childish and irregular behaviour. He began hiding from me in the toilets at work - for the one reason that I had borrowed his coffee cup - telling my colleagues and called a meeting with our boss in which he told me that our intimacy wasn't love making - it was f - and my boss did nothing. During one of his regular trips to Vietnam, I moved departments. On the odd occasions when I do see him now, he will deviate between complete ignorance, and joking. Just last week as he told me he was returning to Vietnam, he asked me if the bag I was carrying contained a 'sexual item' and asked was it a 'rubber vagina'. This from the man who once said I made him so uncomfortable that he had to hide in the toilets. He then proudly announced he was going to Vietnam this week.

As if that wasn't enough, he completely stuck the knife in by announcing, 'I have a girlfriend, she's 38, beautiful, and I love her, I'm happy. I know in my heart it's right'. He then took out a picture of her and thrust it in my face. He said they 'facetime every night'. He claims he is now a Buddhist and has quit smoking and drugs. He was on a lot of cocaine for years.

This was a week and a half ago and I have struggled ever since. My therapist maintains he is a narcissist but what is making it worse for me is the current rumour that he may be getting married to this woman. He has met her in person once. The photo has him with his head on her shoulder and she is on his knee, they are holding hands. He was in no way kind in how he chose to tell me.

I feel absolutely devastated. He was brutally cruel to me for the time I was with him, blowing hot and cold but always saying 'just give me time' and I believed him. He said I was his soulmate and wanted me to meet his family. He asked me to move into my Mum's room with him knowing she had only died a few years previous to that. Then he pulled the rug, with me struggling to understand since then (3 years ago) what I've done wrong.

I've tried to get help and am doing things like going to the gym and yoga. But this has really set me back to the point my therapist told me today that she is insistent that I ring my GP as my 'core scores' were through the roof. I feel exhausted, even walking the short distance to the bus stop, I'm on edge, I feel sick and the reason is I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him. I loved him with my whole heart, I was patient, supportive, understanding and kind. I don't know why he is throwing it in my face that he loves her and if he does marry her, to me, in my mind, it will sort of highlight that I was the problem all along. This would be his third marriage - his second to a Vietnamese woman. He is just moving on as if I didn't exist and I'm struggling so badly to heal. My own mind is frightening me as I feel so deeply and I feel like something is wrong with me? I spoke to a mutual friend who says he is like a child, always chasing after the next shiny thing but even that makes me wonder why I wasn't shiny enough to keep.

I'm sorry to contact you all again, but do you really think he could be different with her? When his own kids won't talk to him? What the hell is so special about Vietnam? His last wife was from there and dumped him when she got her citizenship to the UK.

Thanks again, for listening to me.

OP posts:
throwawayimplantchat · 16/04/2026 15:19

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 14:48

He has left me so broken I don't think I deserve to be happy. He also shouted at me in front of my boss and said 'you were just a fuck'. Imagine how painful not only that is, but that someone else doesn't get that treatment. It's agonising.

The fact he wasn’t fired for saying that in the workplace is further proof you HAVE to find a new place to work. This one will exacerbate all of the issues you’re currently experiencing.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:36

throwawayimplantchat · 16/04/2026 15:19

The fact he wasn’t fired for saying that in the workplace is further proof you HAVE to find a new place to work. This one will exacerbate all of the issues you’re currently experiencing.

That's what I mean too, he can do no wrong. He also made the first move to me at work by kissing me, touching me sending me photos of his erections (with his work pass visible) but to be fair I thought it was all exciting at the time because I liked him so much. So when he turned around and made out I was the problem, it was very damaging.

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blackrabbitwhiterabbit · 16/04/2026 15:47

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:36

That's what I mean too, he can do no wrong. He also made the first move to me at work by kissing me, touching me sending me photos of his erections (with his work pass visible) but to be fair I thought it was all exciting at the time because I liked him so much. So when he turned around and made out I was the problem, it was very damaging.

Sounds like a charmer...I can see why you're so infatuated.

MOVE ON.

Passingthrough123 · 16/04/2026 16:03

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:00

I know this but does it mean he had to be so awful to me? How can you destroy one person and not another?

You're letting him be awful to you. I don't mean that unkindly, I just mean that by continuing to work in the same place, you're making it easy for him to continue his cruel behaviour towards you. If you never saw him again, he would eventually stop occupying your thoughts so much.

But I don't think you truly want to let go, which is why you're still working there. Part of you is hoping he'll still come round, which is why news of him possibly remarrying has upset you so much.

You need to accept it's over.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 16:08

Passingthrough123 · 16/04/2026 16:03

You're letting him be awful to you. I don't mean that unkindly, I just mean that by continuing to work in the same place, you're making it easy for him to continue his cruel behaviour towards you. If you never saw him again, he would eventually stop occupying your thoughts so much.

But I don't think you truly want to let go, which is why you're still working there. Part of you is hoping he'll still come round, which is why news of him possibly remarrying has upset you so much.

You need to accept it's over.

No it's not that. I've made a firm decision to avoid him totally and not to see him again. Honestly. I can't take it anymore. I'm just desperately trying to understand why he is so cruel to me. I don't get what I ever did to deserve it.

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Passingthrough123 · 16/04/2026 16:10

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 16:08

No it's not that. I've made a firm decision to avoid him totally and not to see him again. Honestly. I can't take it anymore. I'm just desperately trying to understand why he is so cruel to me. I don't get what I ever did to deserve it.

Cruelness is clearly in his DNA. Feel sorry for the new woman, don't envy her.

But seriously, when are you going to leave that job?

PumpkinPieAlibi · 16/04/2026 16:11

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 15:36

That's what I mean too, he can do no wrong. He also made the first move to me at work by kissing me, touching me sending me photos of his erections (with his work pass visible) but to be fair I thought it was all exciting at the time because I liked him so much. So when he turned around and made out I was the problem, it was very damaging.

OP, you have to be honest with yourself. You're stuck, you keep rehashing the past over and over again.

  • You WANT to talk about him. On some level, you enjoy it but only if others agree that he is very bad.
  • You WANT his future gf/wife to experience the same things you did. I understand it makes it seem less personal but his abuse is about HIM, it's nothing to do with the abused
  • You DON'T WANT him to be happy. I get that - it's human but his happiness, or lack thereof, cannot be so intertwined with your own. It's unhealthy.
  • You DON'T WANT to move on. You many not want him back but you don't want him to be with anyone else and you don't want to move forward either
  • You can come out of this stronger but it's going to take some tough inner work and you DON'T WANT to do it. You are unnecessarily positioning yourself as a perpetual victim here.
TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 16:12

Passingthrough123 · 16/04/2026 16:10

Cruelness is clearly in his DNA. Feel sorry for the new woman, don't envy her.

But seriously, when are you going to leave that job?

That's it though too. I love my job. I'd be so so sad to leave but I do think now I might have to. Even though he's not in my dept it's hard not to hear stuff, so it really is a fair point but such a really hard decision to make. Plus I feel like a failure for letting it affect me to this point.

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SunnyLilacFawn · 16/04/2026 18:45

If you don't want to leave your job it sounds like you and your colleagues have more than enough evidence to get him fired or even arrested! Do you have an HR dept or senior leadership?

Dewdust · 16/04/2026 21:02

There is nothing to say she is actually going to marry him. Or even if she did there is nothing to say that she would be happy. She could be a sex worker. He could plan on copying Epstein by promising the world and keeping her as a sex worker . He might even want a child to abuse. Who knows? She will be lucky if she doesnt end up under the patio if she comes here because he could marry her and take out life insurance and then bump her off to pay off his debts. Marriage doesnt always mean " happily ever after" except in childrens stories. Why would you assume that it did? You need genuine communication and care for the other person, not sweeping statements and grand moments. You are lucky you got out of it quickly. There must be a proper man somewhere who would like to really understand you. People go to Vietnam for cheaper prices and sex workers and clandestine sex with minors. Some go for the beaches and the culture. But your ex probably goes for the very young girls forced into sex slavery. I would be embarrassed to be associated with a man a nickname of "Epstein!" You should be very glad he means nothing to you. Somehow you saved yourself. Maybe your ancestors couldnt bear to see this man try to destroy your life !

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 21:16

Dewdust · 16/04/2026 21:02

There is nothing to say she is actually going to marry him. Or even if she did there is nothing to say that she would be happy. She could be a sex worker. He could plan on copying Epstein by promising the world and keeping her as a sex worker . He might even want a child to abuse. Who knows? She will be lucky if she doesnt end up under the patio if she comes here because he could marry her and take out life insurance and then bump her off to pay off his debts. Marriage doesnt always mean " happily ever after" except in childrens stories. Why would you assume that it did? You need genuine communication and care for the other person, not sweeping statements and grand moments. You are lucky you got out of it quickly. There must be a proper man somewhere who would like to really understand you. People go to Vietnam for cheaper prices and sex workers and clandestine sex with minors. Some go for the beaches and the culture. But your ex probably goes for the very young girls forced into sex slavery. I would be embarrassed to be associated with a man a nickname of "Epstein!" You should be very glad he means nothing to you. Somehow you saved yourself. Maybe your ancestors couldnt bear to see this man try to destroy your life !

Thanks that gave me a giggle at the end.
maybe. I guess it’s become the norm because the bosses have heard him called it and seen it written DOWN on his paperwork and do nothing.

The GP seems to have escalated my referral to the psychiatrist and I got a call this afternoon. I am scared but she says I am not crazy but that I need a lot of help. Step one is staying as far away from him as possible even if I see him at work when he comes back to walk the other way and not engage. She said ‘you are nobody’s dartboard’. The hardest part for me will be showing no reaction to any baiting because my face is just so expressive. I’ve promised myself if I need to stay stoned faced and go and scream in the bathroom after then that’s what I have to do.

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TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 21:17

SunnyLilacFawn · 16/04/2026 18:45

If you don't want to leave your job it sounds like you and your colleagues have more than enough evidence to get him fired or even arrested! Do you have an HR dept or senior leadership?

Yes of course but I know for a fact it would be brushed under the carpet.

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Dewdust · 16/04/2026 21:25

I think maybe you should just keep your mind open to moving on to somewhere else. Although you love your job there are reasons you would be better off if you were in another company in another town maybe. You could just keep your eye on opportunities that exist elsewhere.

Lmnop22 · 16/04/2026 22:07

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 08:57

That's fair enough, but I do NOT understand how a man who is abusive can suddenly turn around and be different with someone they've met once. To me it's like saying 'yes I've left a trail of bodies all over the world, but I won't do it to you, even though you know I've killed several women in the past'.

A little more clarification would help. A successful relationship by what means? That she's submissive to him and he's happy down to that? I find it really really hard to believe that a man with his track record who is 'abusive and disgusting' can suddenly be a wonderful partner.

Also I'm not 'happy' when people say he's a narcissist. I had trouble for ages adjusting to that title. But if it what at LEAST 3 therapists have advised, a doctor yesterday and he ticks the boxes of nearly every self help book I've read, it is unsettling when people think I'm happy because he has a label. I'm happy because maybe all the therapy and the research I've done might make sense!

But why are you assuming this next woman is different? That’s where you’re going wrong - she is in the beginning part where he makes her feel loved and special. There’s no reason to think she won’t become one of his bodies except that you seem to have decided it is so

Daughteradhd · 17/04/2026 07:13

Lmnop22 · 16/04/2026 22:07

But why are you assuming this next woman is different? That’s where you’re going wrong - she is in the beginning part where he makes her feel loved and special. There’s no reason to think she won’t become one of his bodies except that you seem to have decided it is so

Of course she will become a body. But she is way off in the balance of power OP. He carries so much more power with such a vulnerable women. Feel sorry for her. He will ride with the power for a while and it will carry his head high because having such influence makes his ego big. He is also gaining ego from your hurt.

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:30

Daughteradhd · 17/04/2026 07:13

Of course she will become a body. But she is way off in the balance of power OP. He carries so much more power with such a vulnerable women. Feel sorry for her. He will ride with the power for a while and it will carry his head high because having such influence makes his ego big. He is also gaining ego from your hurt.

Yes I've read that certain types do get a kick and ego boost out of hurting others. It's something I will never understand.

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BetterOffNow · 17/04/2026 09:38

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:30

Yes I've read that certain types do get a kick and ego boost out of hurting others. It's something I will never understand.

You don't need to understand, you just need to recognise the red flags and move on to a brighter future.

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:42

BetterOffNow · 17/04/2026 09:38

You don't need to understand, you just need to recognise the red flags and move on to a brighter future.

Yes it's become abundantly clear, that I have no idea how to recognise a red flag.

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BetterOffNow · 17/04/2026 09:44

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:42

Yes it's become abundantly clear, that I have no idea how to recognise a red flag.

No-one's born knowing what they look like, you live and learn...

Look on the bright side - the fact that this guy was full of red flags means you've learned a load of them to look out for!

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:45

BetterOffNow · 17/04/2026 09:44

No-one's born knowing what they look like, you live and learn...

Look on the bright side - the fact that this guy was full of red flags means you've learned a load of them to look out for!

Unfortunately I don't think I will ever have a relationship with a man again. I would find it too hard to trust or believe anyone now.

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Daughteradhd · 17/04/2026 09:45

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:42

Yes it's become abundantly clear, that I have no idea how to recognise a red flag.

Snap. I am autistic so if someone says something that means it’s true. It can be a minefield to understand that some people are cruel.

LughLongArm · 17/04/2026 09:46

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:42

Yes it's become abundantly clear, that I have no idea how to recognise a red flag.

Which is why I think you should leave your job as soon as is practicable. None of what you say about it is at all normal, and it sounds as if this may have had some effect in making you dismiss some of the appallingnesses of your relationships as usual.

BetterOffNow · 17/04/2026 09:50

TigerIsHome · 17/04/2026 09:45

Unfortunately I don't think I will ever have a relationship with a man again. I would find it too hard to trust or believe anyone now.

I felt the same when I divorced my horrible ExH, but I spent a long time working on myself and rediscovering the real me. I was happy being single and didn't want anyone ever again.

6 years later I happened to meet a wonderful man and accidentally fell into the best relationship I've ever had, so never say never!

BetterOffNow · 20/04/2026 09:40

How are you doing @TigerIsHome? Did your doctor sign you off work?

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