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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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Maddy70 · 18/07/2025 02:14

If you feel it's off then trust your gut

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:16

Just to add , I completely get that some people won’t see this as a big deal.

I’m not trying to “own” my partner or stop anyone having friendships. But I’m autistic and ADHD, and I feel things deeply and read between the lines constantly.

It’s not always easy to know whether I’m being overly sensitive or whether the situation genuinely feels emotionally unsafe.

I’m asking not to accuse anyone, but to find my own clarity — I’ve ignored my gut a lot in the past and I’m trying not to keep doing that.

So I really appreciate the honest reflections, even if they’re different from mine.

thank you

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:19

Maddy70 · 18/07/2025 02:14

If you feel it's off then trust your gut

Thank you, in what way though? And how do I address / tackle it or do I just bin it all off? I want to message him something that shows him I know that he already has a plan to go (with her?) so it’s clear to him that his glossing over of it hasn’t gone unnoticed and I would love an explanation why but I don’t feel he’d be very forthcoming.

he is always saying how much he loves me , how I’m his only confidante etc but it’s blatantly clear I’m not his only person who he can trust and with his pattern of omissions and half lies how can he trust or confide in me?

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ThymeandBasil · 18/07/2025 02:19

It sounds as though there are 3 of you in this relationship.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:24

ThymeandBasil · 18/07/2025 02:19

It sounds as though there are 3 of you in this relationship.

It really does, it’s kind of snuck up on me as my partner and I have become more distant they have become closer and communicate more together, she says they’re often talking about me and her ex but I think that’s bullshit, from everything she said when drunk she either did have or still has a major crush on him, she ran off at the mouth for ages about him and then tailed off when she must have realised what she sounded like.
i want to challenge him on their meet-cute story where he framed it as something much smaller and less significant.
he only told me about her because id picked up on this new woman commenting and tagging him everywhere.
they share the same passion and he’s always heart reacting her stuff and waxing lyrically on her posts, she even told me when drunk she gets a little frisson when he comments because then she knows her work is good, i told her that’s how i used to feel in the early days of our romance 🙈🫣😭😭😭

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DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 18/07/2025 02:25

Regardless of whether it is all completely innocent or not, this relationship isn't making you happy. I've been in a relationship where I didn't have that trust for my partner and it eats away at you with the doubt. The right relationship won't make you feel this way. Relationships are meant to make you feel loved and supported and secure.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:27

To add, I hadn’t picked up properly on his inconsistency and emotional avoidance tactics, he presented himself as a much more well rounded in tune person and its taken time and a lot of hurt and feeling rejected and abandoned and sidelined to realise he likely doesn’t have capacity to love me in the way I needed.
he stil says he loves me and is still romantic etc but I’m starting to feel angry with him. She’s not the only woman things have been weird with but he ‘doesn’t get jealous’ so doesn’t understand my problem when he is evasive about women.
i have dreams about it where I’m raging or really confrontational with him.
he is so mild mannered, super popular, very chill and very charismatic and physically attractive

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Maddy70 · 18/07/2025 02:28

Honestly you say yourself you are not happy, you're trying yourself up in knots
. It's not working for you on any level you can do better

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:32

DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 18/07/2025 02:25

Regardless of whether it is all completely innocent or not, this relationship isn't making you happy. I've been in a relationship where I didn't have that trust for my partner and it eats away at you with the doubt. The right relationship won't make you feel this way. Relationships are meant to make you feel loved and supported and secure.

I don’t feel safe supported or secure and don’t know how you can love someone you keep hurting, disappointing and being disloyal too, sharing secrets with other women and telling them news first but not nojticibf my family crises or my oft linked to recent family crises, clearly didn’t understand or know any of the gist or context or that I broke down and kept all contact very neutral until the ‘danger’ had passed.
now can’t do enough for me but it’s all practical stuff, not emotional.
him asking me out came off the back of that.
im away at the moment so it’s all in messenger but I want to note somehow gently that I gather he and Sophie have planned this night prior to him asking me and I won’t tell him but part of the reason I’m pissed off is because it mirrors another earlier event where he did exactly the same thing and she messaged me straight away to say he’d told her I’m coming with him and how excited she was to be seeing me, it feels so odd.
we’re not young either which makes it feel even weirder me even allowing myself to be in this dynamic

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 03:16

As an aside to all this has let me down in other ways, repeatedly and each time it really impacts me and now I know that my / our friend is in very regular contact with him I’m scared she’s going to share really personal stuff that will make me more vulnerable.
im just raging and hate how she always dresses up their conversations ’oh it was an important niche hobby related thing and then we got chatting’ or he will sometimes say she just messaged him out of the blue about a bloke she fancies, always my partners friends, he says it comes apropos of nothing but I’m starting to doubt this.
he puts hearts and kisses on his comments on her fb posts, I DREAD to think what their private messages are like and in the meantime ours have died off almost altogether, mainly pleasantries and logistical stuff

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JeffLynnsGuitar · 18/07/2025 03:33

To be honest, my lovely, I couldn’t be arsed with him and his stupid behaviour! Life is very short, we don’t know how long any of us are on this Earth for… do you really want to waste all your days wondering what childish little games those 2 are playing? I would actually feel quite hurt and humiliated by this treatment. You really do deserve better.
imagine looking back in a few years time and thinking how these 2 were colluding together with you as the mug.
Relationships are meant to lift us, add some zing to our lives, know that special someone has our backs, loves us through good and bad- to be honest, they seem to be plotting together and leaving you out.
Sod That!!
Ditch the pair of them. You are worth SO much more than this! 🌺

BabyCatFace · 18/07/2025 03:39

It's quite clear he has a thing for her and she likely also does for him. To be honest I think they are both waiting for their relationships to end and then they will start dating. Neither of them seems committed enough to each other to take the plunge directly but they will both be holding in mind that they would like to be with each other 'if I wasn't with X' and that thought will be affecting how they both behave in their relationships with their partners.
personally I think given everything you've said about him I would bow out and let them get on with it.

JeffLynnsGuitar · 18/07/2025 03:45

@BabyCatFace

Totally agree with every word of this post. ⬆️
Dump his sorry butt and move on. I personally wouldn’t waste one more day on him.

Houndsahollering · 18/07/2025 03:51

This will be very blunt and I apologise
Theres clearly a lot missing in your relationship for both of you; the whole on/off; the anxiety; the sparks.
The difference is, while you’re tying yourself in knots and second guessing everything, he’s off already looking for someone to provide all those things & Sophie is clearly willing to provide them. Don’t be fooled that she’s some innocent bystander just being a friend to him, she is very much making her moves.

The best thing you can do for yourself if to make this a very much OFF/OFF relationship.
This isn’t struggling with social cues or anything related to ND. He’s cheating in front of your face and he’s got you conditioned to assume you’re wrong, you’re misinterpreting things, you’re the one at fault.

sorry this is so impassioned and blunt but honestly it’s like listening to the clusterfuck of a “relationship” I spent most of my 20’s in and nothing good will come of it.

Dancingintherainxxx · 18/07/2025 04:59

On and off relationship .. you deserve to meet someone you van have a normal and constant relationship with

whynotmereally · 18/07/2025 05:18

It does feel off.
it feels like he’s prioritising her over you which is wrong because you are in a relationship. You should be front and centre in his mind. And based on what you have said she sounds very attention seeking.

Also all the lack of emotional connection sounds very hard work, he either wants to be inthe relationship and is willing to work at it and change (and there’s evidence of this not just words) or he’s not worth it.

Im slso autistic and suspected adhd, I have a bad habit of putting up with poor situations because it doesn’t really occur to me to stop (not just relationships also jobs, friends, activities) for way longer than it should. I also tend to believe peoples words even if their actions don’t match.

id think about this relationship and ask yourself is it making you happy? If no then end it and move on. I’d also be wary of this woman she doesn’t sound very trustworthy and seems like she pushes boundaries.

Iamfree · 18/07/2025 05:44

I have a partner and we don’t live together. He has some female friends as I have some male friends. But no I don’t go out with them separately and I expect maximum respect. This sounds like a head fuck to me and I wouldn’t go for it. See the issue is if you let people walk over you, they will walk over you. I would simply say to your “partner” that it’s over. Wouldn’t give an ultimatum - his behaviour tells you all you need to know. A man in love wouldn’t do this to you. Full stop.

Dery · 18/07/2025 06:14

Really sorry you’re in this situation, OP. Unfortunately, it reads like this guy will never give you what you need. You’re 2 years in - he blows hot and cold and spends a lot of time and energy on another woman in a way which strongly suggests a romantic interest in her. Words mean little when your partner is behaving like this. Look at what he does. As a PP said: in a good relationship, you feel happy, secure and supported; in this relationship, you feel anxious and excluded because he’s sharing too much with another woman. He’s not committed enough for you.

HelloHattie · 18/07/2025 06:18

Big fat nope here. That’s dodge AF

Summerhillsquare · 18/07/2025 06:42

Unless you enjoy all this drama, move on and find more productive things to do with your life.

Anonusername1234 · 18/07/2025 06:43

‘I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .’

This is your opening paragraph. This relationship is not making you happy. ‘Sophie’ is irrelevant. Why are you settling for someone who is inconsistent after a couple of years?! Come on deep emotional bond this is NOT.

SandAndSunshine · 18/07/2025 06:46

You have become peripheral in your own relationship. He is prioritising her, not you, as he is taking you for granted.
Turn your back on both of them.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:11

Due to logistics, I can’t feasibly end this until I’m back in the country.
I currently need him on practical level but I don’t want it to go uncommented that he tried to mislead by omission/ glossing over yet again.

What shall I respond to him / ref the night out?

im pissed off they’re inviting me like it’s their event, she’s not even invited me per se,

she just wrote that she’s just invited her on/ off lover to the event
I replied:
Hey lovely, thats a coincidence, Malcolm asked me this evening to go too.
Let me know what Gordon says, hope it’s a nice response xxx

she responded back:
Yeah I know he did 😆 I sent him a tune earlier and I said are you coming to xxx and he said yes and he said he was going to ask you and I said I’m going to ask Gordon but I’m too scared. Can you ask him for me? 😂😂😂😂 but I ended up asking Gordon and he said YES!!!!!! Are you coming then or what?!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 xxxx

i responded that I have no idea what I’m doing yet, she replied:
You are coming out with us!

that reads to me as though she’s inviting me to join her and my on/ off boyfriend and her lover? Like I’m a bit part?
have I read this wrong?
I struggle so much with social cues.
all her messages start with I’ve been chatting to Malcolm about xx music/ artist etc. and then we got onto life stuff {paraphrasing}

I’m thinking to him:

Sophie messaged after you did last night and said you were talking about inviting me and (her on/off ex) to xxx. I’d already marked it ages ago on FB, as was planning to go but I think I’ll sit this one out.
The dynamic feels so off lately, and I’m trying to stay clear and focused.
Hope it’s a good night for your crew. Thanks for thinking of me xxx

To her:
Morning! I’ve had xxx marked as “interested” for a while on fb, but I think I’m going to give it a miss.
Honestly, the dynamic lately has felt a bit out of sync, and I’m trying to keep my energy clean and grounded.
Hope you all have a good one xxx

i don’t want to sound like a jealous girlfriend or anything that can be perceived as bitchy or petty as it’s not my style plus she is hugely reactive and explosive especially if she thinks I suspect her of anything, she deals with this a fair bit, no idea why 😹🙄

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:15

Anonusername1234 · 18/07/2025 06:43

‘I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .’

This is your opening paragraph. This relationship is not making you happy. ‘Sophie’ is irrelevant. Why are you settling for someone who is inconsistent after a couple of years?! Come on deep emotional bond this is NOT.

I have been making multiple exudes for him based on his own multiple issues including suspected attachment disorder and possibly bpd, lots of his family members have some sort of personality disorder, no idea if he does or not but it fits and I guess I need something to keep me making excuses for him while I minimise and disregard myself

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GreyCarpet · 18/07/2025 07:17

It's off, OP. You're the third wheel in his relationship with Sophie.

End it and be at peace. Even if he doesn't end up with her, you're not happy, your on/off relationship doesn't sound happy or fulfilling and you wouldn't have any of this emotional angst without this playing out in your head.