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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

208 replies

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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SilverHammer · 18/07/2025 08:01

I would stop messaging. At least all the time. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words. Let them wonder what is happening.

myplace · 18/07/2025 08:10

That update is really useful!

Ok, so you need to keep them ticking over until that’s all resolved.

However, mentally you can write them off and save yourself the energy.

Play dumb until you are in a position to ditch the lot of them.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:16

myplace · 18/07/2025 08:10

That update is really useful!

Ok, so you need to keep them ticking over until that’s all resolved.

However, mentally you can write them off and save yourself the energy.

Play dumb until you are in a position to ditch the lot of them.

Play dumb? I’ve been letting them treat me dumb this whole time. I’m really angry embarrassed and humiliated right now

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sameshizz · 18/07/2025 08:17

Sack them both off
find a relationship that is ‘on’ and not on and off. They sound better suited to each other with their bullshit. Go and find someone who doesn’t make you feel on edge all the time and is drama free.

myplace · 18/07/2025 08:20

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:16

Play dumb? I’ve been letting them treat me dumb this whole time. I’m really angry embarrassed and humiliated right now

Don’t waste energy on that. They aren’t worth it. It’s not dumb to assume people are decent and honest until they prove otherwise. That’s all that’s happened.

Please don’t beat yourself up.

TraumaQuestions · 18/07/2025 08:26

In my experience, relationships shouldn't feel like hard work. If it feels like hard work - if you're having to put into it emotionally more than it gives you - then it's not meant to be. I don't think you're meant to be with this man. Sorry.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 18/07/2025 08:29

I think he’s just not that into you

You describe it yourself as always on and off and currently in the doldrums. Best thing is to call it.

RandomMess · 18/07/2025 08:30

Just say you don’t feel up to it no detail about the dynamic etc.

Back away slowly and carefully until you can ditch all 3 of them.

throwawaynametoday · 18/07/2025 08:36

Good god, just ditch the pair of them, they both sound awful.

Good relationships and good friendships are easy and enjoyable. These are neither.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:39

I’ve always been a sucker for manipulators, it must be my neurodivergence because I’m really good at reading people and sensing things etc just not very good with the way I push back against the emotional stuff and I always feel guilty when I do put up boundaries,
I’ve burned a lot of bridges with people after I’ve let them push me to the absolute limit and there’s no weirder dynamic than seeing your man make friends with a new woman who is like the woman counterpart of him, it’s been confusing watching it play out especially as I also get on with her really well, up until this last week I’d have said I love her like a close friend

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BitOutOfPractice · 18/07/2025 08:42

I don’t think he thinks he’s in a relationship with you. And you said it doesn’t feel like a relationship for you either at the moment.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:46

BitOutOfPractice · 18/07/2025 08:42

I don’t think he thinks he’s in a relationship with you. And you said it doesn’t feel like a relationship for you either at the moment.

I tried to dial it down so I didn’t keep getting my expectations dashed and dealing with crippling disappointment, I was erring on the side of he was going to speak to someone about his long term issues which had lead him to being a (now dry) alcoholic and his possible emotional avoidance in light of his family’s various bpds , nd etc but it’s becoming clearer that he isn’t going to address any of these things, he cold turkeyed on alcohol and then stoped the counselling altogether

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Dressinggownqueenslay · 18/07/2025 08:50

when are you back? Just do the bare minimum with contact and work on your own self worth, you don’t have to put up with this. Take back control of your own life and dump the lot of them.

OneNewLeader · 18/07/2025 08:52

You sound like you don’t like how the relationship makes you feel. That’s enough. The rest is noise, drama and conjecture. Is this making you happy? No, then make the off bit last.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:56

We used to be so happy and joy filled everyone said we’re the perfect match, we have so much in common (not as much as him and Sophie cuckoo) I can’t exactly pinpoint when it started to go weird, I think it’s when I started asking for clarity and challenging the grey areas. I’m heartbroken if I’m honest and probably broke my own heart by staying in this dance of fools

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Neemie · 18/07/2025 09:00

There is a lot of over analysis and some of what you say sounds a bit like a self help book but once you cut through it all, it seems he enjoys this woman’s company and his behaviour is not respectful towards you. She sounds pretty annoying. You are best off out of it. Try to detach and move on.

MeTooOverHere · 18/07/2025 09:03

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

Step Back. No drama. Wait and see 1 if he notices and 2 how he responds if he does notice.
You say he says he loves you and you are his only confidante; you then go on to say he discusses plans with her but not you. If he wants to know why you've stepped back, you can give him that as a response and see how he goes.
Easiest way to win a tug of war is to let go of the rope.

myplace · 18/07/2025 09:04

There are people who are sweetness and light- charm personified- as long as everything goes there way. They can be super helpful, supportive, generous…

The moment you ask for, or need, something they don’t want to offer it all falls apart.

Imagine I’m your pal and we’re having loads of fun meeting up and going to restaurants. We both like pizza, we go to pizza restaurants. Loads of fun, helping each other out. One day you mention fancying a Chinese for a change. I ditch you that night and am hard to reach for a while. Then you fancy a pizza and give me a ring. We get on great, friendship reignites. You are looking for someone to go with you to an event next month. I disappear.

In the situations above, normal people compromise. They find ways to work around different needs and they occasionally have their second best food at a restaurant, to enjoy their friend’s company.

They disappear rather than compromise. And it takes a while to notice because everything goes so well 90% of the time. But they never, ever do anything they don’t want to. It’s always you that compromises.

Blueberryhoney · 18/07/2025 09:06

I think you need to bin this guy. His actions are putting you in turmoil. He's introduced a third person to your relationship and you are having to read between the lines constantly to work out what is happening. That's awful for anyone, let alone the added stress if you are neurodivergent. It sounds like he is keeping his options open without committing to leaving you. All sounds very odd and disrespectful to you. Bottom line, you deserve better. I'd not give either of them the satisfaction of making a big thing of it or having any drama if you do leave him. Just make an exit and enjoy your peace.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:10

Neemie · 18/07/2025 09:00

There is a lot of over analysis and some of what you say sounds a bit like a self help book but once you cut through it all, it seems he enjoys this woman’s company and his behaviour is not respectful towards you. She sounds pretty annoying. You are best off out of it. Try to detach and move on.

The over analysis kills me. It’s my autism just constant circulating thoughts because none of it is resolved so my brain can’t leave it alone so it’s just ruminating all the time, hence coming here for some voices of reason. My real life friends are surprised I keep trying tbh and it’s difficult to keep talking to them about the same chaos and confusion because I find it hard to know when to stop, I get upset and then I feel embarrassed and ashamed

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UnintentionalArcher · 18/07/2025 09:12

@Sidelined101 i have ADHD (adult diagnosed) and suspect autism too. I recognise some of the traits you’re describing. Despite actually being quite intuitive in the sense that my gut feeling is often right, I’ve always struggled to trust it as there’s just something in my brain that goes ‘but they’re saying the exact opposite thing (to whatever their actions suggest) so they must mean it!’ It took me until my thirties to properly recognise and address this pattern and I had some poor relationships with men whose behaviour was pretty bad as a result. I also recognise your approach of spending ages crafting subtle responses designed to flag unhappiness without actually explicitly saying it. One thing I will say is that when you do explicitly say it, it’s incredibly liberating.

Your partner sounds totally inadequate. You say you’re ‘older’ and I wonder what that means, as the behaviours you’re dealing with sound incredibly immature. You need to decide if this is what you want your life to be. I would say you absolutely deserve a better partner, or deserve the respite of having no partner rather than your current terrible one. If, like me, you’ve spent years with terrible men, it can erode your ability to see them clearly for what they are, but I can assure you that he is terrible.

I’ve seen the ‘let them’ idea mentioned a few times on MN recently and think it’s a good one here. Sophie will blow up if you push back? Let her. It sounds like the absolute minimum consequence she deserves for her behaviours. I completely understand your concern for your pets and you may want to just let things be until you’re back but otherwise I would say disengage from all drama and interactions as far as possible and break it off as soon as you’re back.

Fedupandstressed · 18/07/2025 09:14

If I were you, I’d wait until I get back, so house etc is ok, then sack him and his mate off the house repairs and hire a proper trade in to fix everything. Also bin him personally.
In the meantime, just go radio silent. She’s not your friend and she doesn’t deserve a daily phone call.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:18

UnintentionalArcher · 18/07/2025 09:12

@Sidelined101 i have ADHD (adult diagnosed) and suspect autism too. I recognise some of the traits you’re describing. Despite actually being quite intuitive in the sense that my gut feeling is often right, I’ve always struggled to trust it as there’s just something in my brain that goes ‘but they’re saying the exact opposite thing (to whatever their actions suggest) so they must mean it!’ It took me until my thirties to properly recognise and address this pattern and I had some poor relationships with men whose behaviour was pretty bad as a result. I also recognise your approach of spending ages crafting subtle responses designed to flag unhappiness without actually explicitly saying it. One thing I will say is that when you do explicitly say it, it’s incredibly liberating.

Your partner sounds totally inadequate. You say you’re ‘older’ and I wonder what that means, as the behaviours you’re dealing with sound incredibly immature. You need to decide if this is what you want your life to be. I would say you absolutely deserve a better partner, or deserve the respite of having no partner rather than your current terrible one. If, like me, you’ve spent years with terrible men, it can erode your ability to see them clearly for what they are, but I can assure you that he is terrible.

I’ve seen the ‘let them’ idea mentioned a few times on MN recently and think it’s a good one here. Sophie will blow up if you push back? Let her. It sounds like the absolute minimum consequence she deserves for her behaviours. I completely understand your concern for your pets and you may want to just let things be until you’re back but otherwise I would say disengage from all drama and interactions as far as possible and break it off as soon as you’re back.

Thank you for understanding, I want to cry reading your reply, yes we are middle aged but clearly I attract emotionally immature people, maybe because of our interests and lifestyle or more likely because both my parents were incredibly underdeveloped and most like nd (both passed young due to their lifestyles)
it’s so rare anyone actually really getting where I’m coming from.
I think I lose my vision when my emotions or loins get involved so friends, family and romantic/ sexual partners.
he has incredibly leaky boundaries and I have seen that in how he parents his adult children as well as unintended risk he has brought to me.
he is not a safe person emotionally and I think Sophie is also bull in a china shop ‘not like other girls’ and self confessed completely lacking in any empathy which is the same as my ‘partner’.
i have dreams where I’m screaming at him that I hate him or trying to get the truth out of him, a whole year it’s taken to learn that his story about how they met was completely minimised by him and hugely romanticised by her and went from breakfast in his version to the whole day in her version.
it just makes me feel so sad

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SpryCat · 18/07/2025 09:19

The first paragraph on your first post highlights the problems.
He is emotionally avoidant.
The closer he gets to a woman, the more emotionally detached he becomes, he can only have an emotionally attachment with someone he isn’t that close to. New friend he can become emotionally intimate with because she is out of reach, if they get together, he will detach the closer she becomes. Thats why you have an on and off relationship, because he can’t commit to anyone, and it will be the same for new friend when they a relationship.
I have twisted myself up in knots, trying to make it work and understand him.
It doesn’t matter how much you try, how much you understand him, he is a commitment phobe. You or any other woman will never be able to get him to commit, you are wasting your time trying, you could twist yourself up like a pretzel and shoot ping pong balls out of your vagina but it will be in vain.

I think he is has been sleeping with new friend, I would walk away, commitment phobes feel safe in an affair, as the partner being cheated on, stops them from having to fully commit.
He wants to either, be cheating on you with her or break up with you, start a relationship with NF and cheat on her with you.

You and NF won’t ever get what you want, nor would any other woman, he is incapable of being fully committed to anyone throughout his life.
Walk away and please don’t get hooked back in as the O.W. You need to find out why you wasted so much time on this guy, usually it’s because, the person pursuing someone for commitment with an emotionally avoidant person, is also emotionally avoidant, it feel safe to pursue because it will never happen. They are the opposite side off the same coin, if he pursued you, you would become the commitment phobe and it keeps you both safe from it being emotionally available and loved.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/07/2025 09:19

Sophie isn’t your problem, OP, this is:

“currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart”

Why are you tying yourself in knots over a passive, avoidant, emotionally unavailable ‘on again/off again’ man who dicks you around and makes you feel insecure and unhappy?

Dump the pair of them and stop the spiral of anxiety and overthinking that’s consuming you. How many more years are you prepared to let him string you along? When you think about the future, doesn’t it make you feel exhausted that this cycle of BS and dancing to his tune could go on in perpetuity?

Your one short and precious life is worth so much more than wasting it doing the pick-me dance for this fuckwit.

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