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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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spabbygirl · 19/07/2025 15:03

I had a relationship like that over 37 yrs ago, I got pregnant and he said he never wanted to loose his relationship with me but he couldn't cope with the baby. His wife had died 3/4 years before. I made all sorts of excuses for him, unresolved grief, just needs time etc. but eventually my many long-suffering friends got through to me that he was never going to be a good one. So I got out. Now I'm with a lovely, loving man I can see what I would have missed if I'd waited for the bloke to come round. I wouldn't allow myself to be messed around like that again, I'd ditch and find someone without the emotional hang ups. Get your own back on Sophie, let her have him. It did hurt to say goodbye to him but the boost to my self respect was immeasurable. I rarely think of him now, but his baby was great!!! 37yrs old now and a treasure!!

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 16:12

spabbygirl · 19/07/2025 15:03

I had a relationship like that over 37 yrs ago, I got pregnant and he said he never wanted to loose his relationship with me but he couldn't cope with the baby. His wife had died 3/4 years before. I made all sorts of excuses for him, unresolved grief, just needs time etc. but eventually my many long-suffering friends got through to me that he was never going to be a good one. So I got out. Now I'm with a lovely, loving man I can see what I would have missed if I'd waited for the bloke to come round. I wouldn't allow myself to be messed around like that again, I'd ditch and find someone without the emotional hang ups. Get your own back on Sophie, let her have him. It did hurt to say goodbye to him but the boost to my self respect was immeasurable. I rarely think of him now, but his baby was great!!! 37yrs old now and a treasure!!

I love this ! 37 years! That’s beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I do think I have been making excuses in my head about all his unresolved ’stuff’ which he seems happy for me and his adult kids to carry on his behalf x

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KidsDoBetter · 19/07/2025 17:28

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 08:56

We used to be so happy and joy filled everyone said we’re the perfect match, we have so much in common (not as much as him and Sophie cuckoo) I can’t exactly pinpoint when it started to go weird, I think it’s when I started asking for clarity and challenging the grey areas. I’m heartbroken if I’m honest and probably broke my own heart by staying in this dance of fools

Eh? You’ve described it as an on-off relationship of 2 years. That doesn’t give you enough time to have “been so happy together”

You honestly sound quite deluded and lacking in self awareness OP.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 17:43

KidsDoBetter · 19/07/2025 17:28

Eh? You’ve described it as an on-off relationship of 2 years. That doesn’t give you enough time to have “been so happy together”

You honestly sound quite deluded and lacking in self awareness OP.

It was on for a year then things started going weird at exactly one year and then we kept going until Feb this year when I just kept getting more and more red flags, I’m not deluded but I do struggle with social cues and communication and it’s very difficult cognitively for me when words , faces and actions are incongruent, it’s very hard to explain and not being able to effectively express this without getting dysregulated often means I don’t express it or I express it in such a way that people misunderstand me, deliberately or unintentionally and it leaves me not trusting my own gut or judgment and because of this I often take longer than neurotypical people to leave unsafe situations.
this is a common trait of autistic people across the board, not all but many, and it doesn’t make us deluded, if anything I have too much self awareness, hence constantly feeling anxious, body checking and needing to share my thoughts and feelings with a wider audience sometimes, especially when it’s a completely neutral audience

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MascaraGirl · 19/07/2025 17:57

I have been making multiple exudes for him based on his own multiple issues including suspected attachment disorder and possibly bpd, lots of his family members have some sort of personality disorder, no idea if he does or not but it fits and I guess I need something to keep me making excuses for him while I minimise and disregard myself

OP, his “multiple issues, suspected attachment disorder and possibly bpd” translate as “he’s just not into you” and it all sounds like Diana/Charles/Camilla

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 19/07/2025 17:59

My lovely, this is far too much hard work on your part for far too little positive returns from him….honestly, end it…..it shouldn’t be this hard xx

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 18:11

KidsDoBetter · 19/07/2025 17:28

Eh? You’ve described it as an on-off relationship of 2 years. That doesn’t give you enough time to have “been so happy together”

You honestly sound quite deluded and lacking in self awareness OP.

It’s easy to look at a relationship on paper , dates, labels, patterns , and make a quick judgement. But real connection doesn’t always fit tidy timelines.

When I said we were happy, I meant it ,because in those moments, we were / I was. That doesn’t make me deluded, just human, optimistic, hopeful, maybe gullible and naive but so are many others when it comes to relationships.

Posting for clarity doesn’t mean I lack self-awareness. The heartbreak came when I started seeing clearly, & because I stopped trying to make it work.

Not all on/off relationships are casual or insignificant. Sometimes they are deeply emotional, just unsustainable.
I didn’t shared to be judged, but because I know I’m not the only one who’s lived through grey areas and lots of replies on here show this to be true

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InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 19/07/2025 19:05

The consensus on the thread is that Sophie is not really your friend, the terms peacock and cuckoo have been used. I think it’s possible she’s emotionally immature and a bit daft. She knows subconsciously she is crossing boundaries re your relationship but she can’t help it as she loves the attention / feels a genuine connection through their shared passion (which isn’t always easy to come by). She deals with that guilt / tries to make it right in her mind, by telling him to invite you to events and keeping you in the loop with her conversations. Ie it doesn’t necessarily all come from a bad place.

I really empathise with you re your neurodiversity and how that is impacting things. I would say to look at this through the lens of autistic traits. Right now you are clearly very fixated on this weird triangle between the three of you. That is totally understandable as it’s all very complex, confusing, emotionally triggering and you want to figure it out and problem solve. Right now it is your special interest and you can keep yourself busy researching things like emotional avoidance and relationship dynamics and planning conversations and messages in your head. However, special interests don’t last forever. There will come a day when you find yourself focused on a totally different interest and this will be so far removed from your life you’ll struggle to even remember what was so absorbing at the time. It’s all about attention shifting. Maybe you need to process your emotions and feel some grief over your lost dreams before you can truly move on, or maybe not. But the sooner you move on from the pair of them the better.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 20:10

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 19/07/2025 19:05

The consensus on the thread is that Sophie is not really your friend, the terms peacock and cuckoo have been used. I think it’s possible she’s emotionally immature and a bit daft. She knows subconsciously she is crossing boundaries re your relationship but she can’t help it as she loves the attention / feels a genuine connection through their shared passion (which isn’t always easy to come by). She deals with that guilt / tries to make it right in her mind, by telling him to invite you to events and keeping you in the loop with her conversations. Ie it doesn’t necessarily all come from a bad place.

I really empathise with you re your neurodiversity and how that is impacting things. I would say to look at this through the lens of autistic traits. Right now you are clearly very fixated on this weird triangle between the three of you. That is totally understandable as it’s all very complex, confusing, emotionally triggering and you want to figure it out and problem solve. Right now it is your special interest and you can keep yourself busy researching things like emotional avoidance and relationship dynamics and planning conversations and messages in your head. However, special interests don’t last forever. There will come a day when you find yourself focused on a totally different interest and this will be so far removed from your life you’ll struggle to even remember what was so absorbing at the time. It’s all about attention shifting. Maybe you need to process your emotions and feel some grief over your lost dreams before you can truly move on, or maybe not. But the sooner you move on from the pair of them the better.

This is spot on. Thank you that’s really helpful observation. I’m sure that the reason I’m ruminating on it is because I know that this man has been and still is obfuscating and I really struggle with grey areas or half the story.
because we’re not geographically close and because the recent update from Sophie happened just before i went away, i have had to sit on it for a while and then whilst away the next bit came up where it transpired he’d been planning a night out with her all along but skipped it in our messages when I suggested he talk to her about it when it was originally planned by the two of them.
I know I sound obsessional and this is how my brain whirs around, it is a lot like a special interest inasmuch as once I hold all the facts I can possibly carry then I’m happy to move on.

in this scenario I know there’s withheld information and half truths plus a lot of other lies and I know I need to move on from it and stop being so curious about it but it’s just so hard.
even if I do say something to him I know it will just be another in a long line of shut downs, excuses or turning the blame back on me , eg I didn’t tell you cos I knew you’d react like this etc
i think in a relationship if you have to hide or lie about key facts of events because you worried about your partner’s reaction then you shouldn’t be with that partner or maybe think more about your actions before you take them and consider whether they are appropriate or not for someone in a relationship.
i know this isn’t a relationship anymore really but the lie was told during a period of time when he wasn’t behaving like a partner and leaving me in the dark and I thought we’d moved on from that.
I’m sick of wondering what else is going to come up from the past in our relationship that he lied about but also constantly not knowing if he is lying every time we communicate.
i have driven myself mental.
its like an Edgar Allen Poe

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Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 20:11

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 19/07/2025 19:05

The consensus on the thread is that Sophie is not really your friend, the terms peacock and cuckoo have been used. I think it’s possible she’s emotionally immature and a bit daft. She knows subconsciously she is crossing boundaries re your relationship but she can’t help it as she loves the attention / feels a genuine connection through their shared passion (which isn’t always easy to come by). She deals with that guilt / tries to make it right in her mind, by telling him to invite you to events and keeping you in the loop with her conversations. Ie it doesn’t necessarily all come from a bad place.

I really empathise with you re your neurodiversity and how that is impacting things. I would say to look at this through the lens of autistic traits. Right now you are clearly very fixated on this weird triangle between the three of you. That is totally understandable as it’s all very complex, confusing, emotionally triggering and you want to figure it out and problem solve. Right now it is your special interest and you can keep yourself busy researching things like emotional avoidance and relationship dynamics and planning conversations and messages in your head. However, special interests don’t last forever. There will come a day when you find yourself focused on a totally different interest and this will be so far removed from your life you’ll struggle to even remember what was so absorbing at the time. It’s all about attention shifting. Maybe you need to process your emotions and feel some grief over your lost dreams before you can truly move on, or maybe not. But the sooner you move on from the pair of them the better.

I think I need to find some therapy pronto. I’m on a waiting list for intensive therapy for people with ADHD but I have no idea how long I’m waiting for, the referral took forever and the local nd team is buckling under the numbers of patients

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MascaraGirl · 19/07/2025 20:26

in this scenario I know there’s withheld information and half truths plus a lot of other lies and I know I need to move on from it and stop being so curious about it but it’s just so hard.
even if I do say something to him I know it will just be another in a long line of shut downs, excuses or turning the blame back on me , eg I didn’t tell you cos I knew you’d react like this etc

You deserve some peace OP, and you won’t get it with those two in your life

RealEagle · 19/07/2025 20:41

Just fuck em both off when you get back from holiday.Focus on you.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 19/07/2025 20:50

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 20:11

I think I need to find some therapy pronto. I’m on a waiting list for intensive therapy for people with ADHD but I have no idea how long I’m waiting for, the referral took forever and the local nd team is buckling under the numbers of patients

Can you afford private therapy? I go every two weeks to make it cheaper than going every week. The benefit of private is it’s within your control and you can keep seeing them as long as you like.

I know I sound obsessional and this is how my brain whirs around

I can relate, believe me. You’ve latched onto this as you know it isn’t right. Perhaps it’s triggering core negative self beliefs too - about being excluded / on the outside.

You can honestly find someone so much better than this. Do you listen to podcasts? When I was dating I listened to the podcast ‘The female dating strategy’ - I don’t necessarily agree with everything they say but it did help me to raise my standards in who I was looking for and what I would expect from a man. I found it quite entertaining too.

You need to find something else to occupy your mind.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 21:44

Thank you all for such lovely replies. I am trying not to cry. I have lots to keep me busy and occupied , it is weird how much it’s affecting me

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Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 21:49

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 19/07/2025 20:50

Can you afford private therapy? I go every two weeks to make it cheaper than going every week. The benefit of private is it’s within your control and you can keep seeing them as long as you like.

I know I sound obsessional and this is how my brain whirs around

I can relate, believe me. You’ve latched onto this as you know it isn’t right. Perhaps it’s triggering core negative self beliefs too - about being excluded / on the outside.

You can honestly find someone so much better than this. Do you listen to podcasts? When I was dating I listened to the podcast ‘The female dating strategy’ - I don’t necessarily agree with everything they say but it did help me to raise my standards in who I was looking for and what I would expect from a man. I found it quite entertaining too.

You need to find something else to occupy your mind.

I will try it, I love podcasts thanks, I have listened to some really good ones about relationships and attachment, me and this guy are definitely in very different headspace when it comes to relationship dynamics

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roastedrapidly · 19/07/2025 23:31

JeffLynnsGuitar · 18/07/2025 03:33

To be honest, my lovely, I couldn’t be arsed with him and his stupid behaviour! Life is very short, we don’t know how long any of us are on this Earth for… do you really want to waste all your days wondering what childish little games those 2 are playing? I would actually feel quite hurt and humiliated by this treatment. You really do deserve better.
imagine looking back in a few years time and thinking how these 2 were colluding together with you as the mug.
Relationships are meant to lift us, add some zing to our lives, know that special someone has our backs, loves us through good and bad- to be honest, they seem to be plotting together and leaving you out.
Sod That!!
Ditch the pair of them. You are worth SO much more than this! 🌺

This is spot on OP, life is short, you deserve better Flowers

MyQuirkyTraybake · 20/07/2025 01:40

Oh how lovely, I'm glad you've met someone who is inconsistent with you but all over his friend, especially when you say the relationship "feels dead and empty"...said no one ever.

Free yourself from it OP. You deserve someone who puts you first x

Sidelined101 · 20/07/2025 07:26

MyQuirkyTraybake · 20/07/2025 01:40

Oh how lovely, I'm glad you've met someone who is inconsistent with you but all over his friend, especially when you say the relationship "feels dead and empty"...said no one ever.

Free yourself from it OP. You deserve someone who puts you first x

Annoying they’ve removed the laugh react emoji from here!

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Sidelined101 · 20/07/2025 07:47

roastedrapidly · 19/07/2025 23:31

This is spot on OP, life is short, you deserve better Flowers

Yes I do feel hurt and humiliated and in the same breath I feel confused and anxious in case if it’s all in my head as people often say these things are with me.
its not all in my head that it’s making me feel this way but what if it’s all innocent and I’m reading too much into everything and I’m destroying relationships and friendships because of my funky brain?

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Sidelined101 · 20/07/2025 08:21

Also Sophie told me ages ago that my friends husband had inappropriately messaged her but it was nothing serious just slightly over boundary so I didn’t need to worry, I believed her and thought I’d leave it there and assume she’s told the truth when she said it was of no consequence.

she has told me she’s always getting messages from men, married or otherwise and as an on/off single woman I have received similar, sometimes from the same people as have other friends

The same night she professed her adoration for Malcolm , she told me this husband had messaged her a few times, not sure what about and then asked her to stop commenting on all his posts because his wife (my friend) is the jealous type.

I was quite shocked at this as I’ve known my friend thirty odd years, she’s never seems like that.
Anyway , met my friend recently, she is the one that knows Malcolm of old and said that her husband is equally emotionally devoid like Malcolm.
She also said earlier in their relationship there had been infidelity on both sides, on her part in retaliation to his and they went years with no intimacy but she’s told me everything is fine between them now
And it’s also left me with confused feelings about my friends , if I say anything it could be a whole can of worms and now I don’t know if I can trust a word Sophie says

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IHate · 20/07/2025 08:38

Sidelined101 · 20/07/2025 08:21

Also Sophie told me ages ago that my friends husband had inappropriately messaged her but it was nothing serious just slightly over boundary so I didn’t need to worry, I believed her and thought I’d leave it there and assume she’s told the truth when she said it was of no consequence.

she has told me she’s always getting messages from men, married or otherwise and as an on/off single woman I have received similar, sometimes from the same people as have other friends

The same night she professed her adoration for Malcolm , she told me this husband had messaged her a few times, not sure what about and then asked her to stop commenting on all his posts because his wife (my friend) is the jealous type.

I was quite shocked at this as I’ve known my friend thirty odd years, she’s never seems like that.
Anyway , met my friend recently, she is the one that knows Malcolm of old and said that her husband is equally emotionally devoid like Malcolm.
She also said earlier in their relationship there had been infidelity on both sides, on her part in retaliation to his and they went years with no intimacy but she’s told me everything is fine between them now
And it’s also left me with confused feelings about my friends , if I say anything it could be a whole can of worms and now I don’t know if I can trust a word Sophie says

I had difficulty following that, tbh. But, it doesn’t seem like most of it - the ins and outs of other people’s relationships - is really any of your business?

Is this need to ruminate on Sophie’s untrustworthiness and past behaviour, as opposed to accepting she’s a bit of an arse and cutting her off, an autistic trait?

I have followed this thread from the beginning. The situation is straightforward. The advice you’ve received has been consistent and near unanimous. Yet, what you seem to want to do is obsessively discuss and analyse these people’s behaviour and dissect what’s going on with their social media. What for? To what end? This is a genuine question. As you continue to relate these anecdotes, what new or additional things are you hoping people will say?

Sidelined101 · 20/07/2025 08:56

IHate · 20/07/2025 08:38

I had difficulty following that, tbh. But, it doesn’t seem like most of it - the ins and outs of other people’s relationships - is really any of your business?

Is this need to ruminate on Sophie’s untrustworthiness and past behaviour, as opposed to accepting she’s a bit of an arse and cutting her off, an autistic trait?

I have followed this thread from the beginning. The situation is straightforward. The advice you’ve received has been consistent and near unanimous. Yet, what you seem to want to do is obsessively discuss and analyse these people’s behaviour and dissect what’s going on with their social media. What for? To what end? This is a genuine question. As you continue to relate these anecdotes, what new or additional things are you hoping people will say?

Just sharing as part of my thought processing, . mulling it over and pattern recognition yes are very much traits linked to my disability.
please feel free to mute the thread

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localnotail · 20/07/2025 10:30

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sameshizz · 25/07/2025 13:33

Have you managed to rid yourself of this pair@Sidelined101?

Sidelined101 · 26/07/2025 03:42

sameshizz · 25/07/2025 13:33

Have you managed to rid yourself of this pair@Sidelined101?

lol, yes!
thank you for checking in.

They’re not in my life,I ended things with him with zero drama after much introspection on my part and also because of how my mind works, I spent time really studying the accounts of people who have been in relationships for years with emotionally avoidant and immature people and how it affected them, plus looked honestly at the timeline of our relationship

I told him enough is enough, I didn’t go into any of the he said/ she said bollocks and kept it quite neutral and although he acted upset he agreed it was for the best.
he did some breadcrumbing behaviour of which I expect more but I feel fully confident in my decision this time and my right to happiness and freedom with clarity .

i have to try and be strong enough not to fall back into bed with him because physically I’m still attracted because he’s attractive but mentally and emotionally I’m done.

he keeps trying to come and get his ‘stuff’ and I keep putting him off for now, tbh his stuff is of no real consequence but it’s his pattern and he has something of value of mine so I need to work out a plan for that

i just told her I’m taking a break from everything and shut down my socials and she has gone quiet.
I’m sure she will reappear again at some point but I think out of sight out of mind with her because I’m off the socials and I’m sure he’ll have kept her updated but I have a swift exit plan for her if she does pop up.

I’m glad I spoke on here annd shared everything , it helped me to get it of my chest to someone so when it came to them I could keep everything very neutral.
He’s lied to me 100 times and what would be the point of my exposing my insecurities about them two when she has form for broadcasting this stuff and to an extent so does he?
I don’t want to become the villain in their shitty little betrayal story.

i hope they are both hoist by their joint petard and if not i will just try to keep them out of my head and life as much as possible!

actually relieved and not upset anymore,8 have cried a lot but i feel ive given myself a gift by cutting off the stress at source.
onwards and upwards for me

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