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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 19:05

NarnianQueen · 18/07/2025 18:33

Honestly I would find a new male friend you can start inviting along to nights out and see how “not jealous” your dp is then, but I’m petty and childish.

it sounds like this woman loves the feeling of getting in between couples then dropping hints so the women become aware of the fact they’re the last to know what their partner has been doing / talking about etc

Yes that does sound about right with her now with hindsight.
Another friend suggested I do the same with guys, and get a few fun selfies with guys posted when out and about but I don’t have it in me to do that level of fakery or game playing, my own life is exhausting enough.

plus I am not photogenic in the slightest and I look SHIT in most selfies 🤣

I have men friends who I know have been interested in me in the past and still would be but there’s various reasons why I never went down those roads in the first place.

I cba with dating or meeting new people.
i met a beautiful guy on holiday, really nice and our kids got on, he’s left today and sadly didn’t get any natural opportunities for a photo op together 🤣🤣🤣

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Louisetopaz21 · 18/07/2025 19:15

Years ago I met someone and he had a 'best friend' who I became friends with but I always had a feeling that something happened before we met, which wouldn't have bothered me but they both denied it and she had a long term bf. As things progressed and a couple of years later I still had a nagging feeling, so I checked their fb messages and found before we met that they had been sending filthy messages to one another and him dick pics and her tit photos. What I did was compose a message from his account on his tablet to forward some of the dick pics with a message glad you know each other so well just before I sent it, I sent her a message asking her to call him urgently which she did and I pressed sent on the message and came down to him and her in shock and I walked away hearing them trying to make up excuses and he was dumped.

Epidote · 18/07/2025 19:15

My opinion as a 50 years old woman:
She is a peacock she like to show her feathers.
He is not for you, on and off is not a good thing.
This has nothing to do with you having autism or other things.

outerspacepotato · 18/07/2025 19:17

"Friends since childhood"

Have you been crushing on this guy for years and years? Because I really don't see why you're sticking around to watch them ease you out. Friends since childhood isn't playing out like you thought.

Not his type? For many, that's just a part of the whole package and Sophie and your soon to be ex click on multiple levels.

If he's doing things like forgetting dates, not showing up, slighting you and hurting you emotionally, he's sending the message that he's just not that into you.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 19:19

outerspacepotato · 18/07/2025 19:17

"Friends since childhood"

Have you been crushing on this guy for years and years? Because I really don't see why you're sticking around to watch them ease you out. Friends since childhood isn't playing out like you thought.

Not his type? For many, that's just a part of the whole package and Sophie and your soon to be ex click on multiple levels.

If he's doing things like forgetting dates, not showing up, slighting you and hurting you emotionally, he's sending the message that he's just not that into you.

No, had never crushed on him and was surprised to hear from him that it had been the other way around when we were kids. Just always liked him as a person and had a thing with his best friend when we were young. Small town, we have both slept with a few of each others friends over the years, then he was married forever or so it seemed and I was in various marriage or ltr so never looked at him like that until he asked me out after he and his wife had been split a few years and the divorce was nearly finalised.

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 19:21

Epidote · 18/07/2025 19:15

My opinion as a 50 years old woman:
She is a peacock she like to show her feathers.
He is not for you, on and off is not a good thing.
This has nothing to do with you having autism or other things.

She is very public and a performer in various different disciplines, and he is in those circles , I really am not although very knowledgeable

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 19:36

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 19:21

She is very public and a performer in various different disciplines, and he is in those circles , I really am not although very knowledgeable

Thank you re the autism, it is very easy to get stuck in a rhetoric that frames it as all my problem because of my ‘disordered’ brain chemistry and he says that it is my perception of situations that’s at fault, not the situations themselves

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outerspacepotato · 18/07/2025 19:43

"had never crushed on him"

That's good.

I think it's time to stop twisting yourself into a pretzel to hang onto a guy who isn't even on the same planet regarding meeting your needs in a relationship. Why would you do that for someone so unconcerned with you and who has brought another woman into your relationship that he's now closer with than you?

It seems like you're Ms Right Now for him, a convenience. A man who really loved you would be there for you and you wouldn't have to be twisting yourself into knots and ruminating about another woman whom he has developed a very close relationship with. You're now getting her crumbs.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 18/07/2025 19:46

Jesus, I need a lie down.

EarthSight · 18/07/2025 21:50

Jesus. So many red flags.

I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him

I read this part and I almost could and skipped the rest. Why the fuck are you twisting yourself into knots & trying to understand over someone who you've only been on & off with??? It's such pick-me behaviour. If it's confusing, it's bad news OP. His commitment and affection to you should be simple, not something to ponder & puzzle over for this long.

We describe things as monogamous

Oh you do? Sounds dubious and that's a odd way of saying it OP. People don't describe things as monogamous - they either are or they aren't. It is more the case that you have brought up the exclusivity conversation and he sort of nodded in agreement?

This guy has TWO women in his life ready to fill his schedule! Lucky him!!

I think you need to let him go because it sounds like you're playing 2nd fiddle to her, and btw, she is not your friend. She's a walking red flag herself, probably also enjoying the attention of multiple men.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 22:09

EarthSight · 18/07/2025 21:50

Jesus. So many red flags.

I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him

I read this part and I almost could and skipped the rest. Why the fuck are you twisting yourself into knots & trying to understand over someone who you've only been on & off with??? It's such pick-me behaviour. If it's confusing, it's bad news OP. His commitment and affection to you should be simple, not something to ponder & puzzle over for this long.

We describe things as monogamous

Oh you do? Sounds dubious and that's a odd way of saying it OP. People don't describe things as monogamous - they either are or they aren't. It is more the case that you have brought up the exclusivity conversation and he sort of nodded in agreement?

This guy has TWO women in his life ready to fill his schedule! Lucky him!!

I think you need to let him go because it sounds like you're playing 2nd fiddle to her, and btw, she is not your friend. She's a walking red flag herself, probably also enjoying the attention of multiple men.

Edited

we were a couple properly up until February this year and then he really betrayed me in a non sexual way but it really hurt and was really when I should have ended it for good (aprt from all the other times) and it was linked to this Sophie thing but it also felt like I was being really immature about it so I limped along with it and then realised that he is completely incapable of being honest or adult

we still had amazing sex and connections in other ways so I tried to keep it going on a less formal basis thinking if we remove the pressure of ‘progression’ from our relationship it might make things easier then it was like a red flag jamboree almost daily , we completely cut contact then restarted

I supported him through some family crises which brought us closer together and then I went through some godawful crises after a period of illness (I’m also chronically ill as is one of my children) and his reciprocal support was non existent and I was shocked and hurt

I then thought fuck it’s he’s handy to have around, convenient for all the things I need and I will keep it completely superficial but we both agreed still monogamous because we both get everything we need in that area of our relationship.
I think it’s part and parcel of being with an emotionally avoidant person, they feel safer being open in certain situations such as sexually and I cba to date or start sleeping with someone else.

because I’ve backed off he keeps trying to do nice things, meet my other needs in a haphazard manner, clumsy checking in or gift giving, offers of favours etc but not the kind of support I want or need from a ‘partner’.

which leads us to last night, him asking me to this event and me knowing straight away in my head that it is linked to this woman and replicates exactly an earlier invitation to another event where she knew before me that he was going and that he was inviting me blah blah.
it made me feel crap and here we are 26 or 7 hours later 🤣
I feel less angry and freaked out today and more resigned, I have found posting on here really helpful and cathartic, especially as I’m on holiday with my kids and no space to talk to anyone on the phone and needing to be holiday mum for the kids!
I am angry with myself more than anything else and I know I was stupid to let my guard down with either of them but I think because she and I have shared loads of her relationship stuff which was not dissimilar it made me let my guard down

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 22:17

I don’t think of myself as a pick me type either but this is the first relationship I’ve been in for years, I have been a single mum for a long time and in that time I have aged massively, had a break down, experienced so much ill health and trauma that my looks have deteriorated and my ‘figure’ is now non existent.
i used to be effortlessly attractive, not a stealth brag just true, very hippy, earth mother type and always looked so much younger with zero effort but then medication, disability, etc and I don’t recognise myself inside or in the mirror.
it has hugely impacted my self esteem and I think it has made me weak in the face of an attractive popular and relatively successful man who is much desired by my peers and much younger women too.
I know it sounds dumb but sometimes we are reduced to this , I have never been vain, never learned how to make the best of my looks or use make up etc and now I feel left behind by people there women, so many people use aesthetic improvements, know how to use makeup to their advantage and I just feel like a jowly frumpy wrinkly old jacket potato.
I don’t have money for salon treatments and I think on some level I am grateful to have a on/off partner who superficially brings me back to my previous life and social status.
not just single depressed crying mum who’s ’let herself go’
hard to articulate this so I hope it makes sense.

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Lighteningstrikes · 18/07/2025 23:38

If I was you, I would ask myself why I keep putting myself through so much sh*t with these piss takers.

Stop it and take control of yourself.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 23:45

I have perfect excuse to start up communication with my counterpart Gordon, in this weird dynamic and unsettle her and possibly Malcolm somewhat in the process but it could msssively backfire because she is so explosive , she has had other women all over him and suggestive and more than suggestive and she has gone mental to the point of expressing violent thoughts. It does blow over relatively quickly but she gets upset he’s still communicating with women who aren’t her or who are potentially interested in Gordon and I feel I should maybe just poke it a bit to try and ensure my job gets done, he has massively backed off and because things got weird between them I didn’t feel comfortable to keep chasing him but it’s been months now of unfinished work and he’s supposed to be working on it while I’m away. I’m pretty sure he’s going to let me down again so I asked my ex to oversee it but I’mpretty sure my ex is going to be too passive and not even mention it on my behalf because he is in awe of this cert alpha type who has a lot of dark elements to his personality and is not afraid of anyone or anything.
he has mentioned before that I look like his ex ‘the one that got away…
gcould do something with this or just keep myself safe from further harm

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Bennettfan · 18/07/2025 23:46

You’re really overthinking and overanalysing all of this.
are you happy? No. Get rid of both of them. You don’t need to go to court and justify why.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 06:42

Bennettfan · 18/07/2025 23:46

You’re really overthinking and overanalysing all of this.
are you happy? No. Get rid of both of them. You don’t need to go to court and justify why.

‘Over’thinking and ’over’ analysis come with my neurotype unfortunately , it’s an horrendous thing to deal with especially when people who are close to you are telling you that you misinterpreted what you’re seeing and feeling, it’s like being gaslighted but really confusing because it’s by someone you love who is mostly lovely and who is loved by many. None of it is nasty in your face stuff, he’s never been mean or said a cross word to me, is always just perfectly lovely and adorable.
its all me with the thinking and piecing things together , it makes me feel like a madman

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sameshizz · 19/07/2025 06:48

I bet he’s told you that you need therapy has he? Just like I needed therapy as I didn’t like another woman texting my dp 100+ times a day , ringing at all hours , having my plans cancelled in favour of her , not being allowed to meet her … i could go on .

WonderingWanda · 19/07/2025 06:57

You are getting for too hung up on on the he said she said minutiae of this particular concert.

Your partner is distant and seems to be more emotionally connected with another woman. You can do better than him.

Your so called friend sounds quite self centred and is clearly enjoying her perceived power over men. Basically, men are often quite dim and unaware of women playing games but she sounds like she has form for trying to make herself the BFF of other people's partners. She is not a good friend. Ditch her aswell.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 07:00

sameshizz · 19/07/2025 06:48

I bet he’s told you that you need therapy has he? Just like I needed therapy as I didn’t like another woman texting my dp 100+ times a day , ringing at all hours , having my plans cancelled in favour of her , not being allowed to meet her … i could go on .

no he’s never said that , but I was having intensive psychotherapy when we got together, due to c-ptsd and I didn’t want to derail the sessions with some of the early red flags , which sounds ridiculous now I’m admitting it here, two years later I don’t remember any of the beneficial outcomes of that therapy , this makes me feel sad as I made real tangible progress in those sessions.
I just feel so confused, he hasn’t tried to keep us apart at all, I’ve done lots with her independently of him but it’s still a weird dynamic between them, or that’s how it feels to me, making a new friend of the opposite sex (if you’re hetero) and being in constant communication and making plans together just feels off.

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Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 07:01

WonderingWanda · 19/07/2025 06:57

You are getting for too hung up on on the he said she said minutiae of this particular concert.

Your partner is distant and seems to be more emotionally connected with another woman. You can do better than him.

Your so called friend sounds quite self centred and is clearly enjoying her perceived power over men. Basically, men are often quite dim and unaware of women playing games but she sounds like she has form for trying to make herself the BFF of other people's partners. She is not a good friend. Ditch her aswell.

It’s bizarre as I’ve watched her go through this with another woman and she hated it!

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PussInBin20 · 19/07/2025 07:07

Sounds to me like they’re all playing you. Just get rid of all of them out of your life and the drama will stop.

happinessischocolate · 19/07/2025 07:09

Sophie could disappear tomorrow and you still wouldnt be happy with him because he’s not the right person for you.

you need to take a step back from it all and realise that this is not a normal happy relationship and you will be happier without him messing with your head

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 07:49

happinessischocolate · 19/07/2025 07:09

Sophie could disappear tomorrow and you still wouldnt be happy with him because he’s not the right person for you.

you need to take a step back from it all and realise that this is not a normal happy relationship and you will be happier without him messing with your head

Yes I think you’re right. I have seen how his adult kids are doing following their weird childhood with his lack of presence and input and it is not good.

He tries to make up for it now but is very much dipping in and out there too, I’ve often taken to active a role there too in order to keep things safe and ticking over, I have almost completely pulled back from that though as it was draining and as I said in an earlier post after a recent crisis I realised that his support for me was not forthcoming and not reciprocated in the slightest unless it’s empty words, emojis and irrelevant platitudes, but mostly dead air .

i feel sad for his kids and they say he’s a much better parent since I came on the scene so hopefully he has learned something and they will continue to reap some benefits from that.

Realising the damage his selfishness has done to his kids is quite a sobering eye opener and I need to keep in mind that he has made me feel abandoned and hurt over two years and they have had twenty years of it and it shows he is incapable of growth or change or even productive introspection.
he often has excuses for why he was such a terrible parent but all I can see is someone who left the kids to their mum while he was partying 24/7.

then settled down more with his second wife and her kids by which time his kids had opted out of their dads life pretty much altogether and then they reunited when he split with the second wife and he started getting actively involved with them a year or two before I came on the scene.

they are very open and clear about why they have mental health issues and attachment issues now and they can see their dad for what he is but, being his kids they’re also very loyal and will excuse a lot of his behaviour as ‘that’s just dad, he’s forgetful, thoughtless, selfish etc but he doesn’t mean any harm.
sadly both kids have chosen partners just like their father.
he also had a troubled and neglectful childhood, as did I.

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Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 08:06

I think I get tied in knots because he’s so good at denial and I’m so good at not trusting myself 🤣🙈

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localnotail · 19/07/2025 08:23

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 17:41

What is an adult relationship?
yes I agree there is a lot of emotional immaturity in this relationship but Surely there must be an aspect of he said / she said in all contentious relationships? How do divorce lawyers manage to stay so busy? It can’t all just be about assets?

Adult relationships - well, as an adult, you understand that when you have a partner, you should feel better, not worse. Better about yourself and life in general. When you have a full adult life, you have no time to give so much time and mental energy to the analysis of messages, working out hidden intentions, trying to understand dynamics and behaviours. You just say - ok, this is a mind fuck, and walk away to meet someone who can enrich your life, not deplete it.

Even the fact that you describe your partner as on/off is a a sign this is not a serious relationship. Look at all the knots you are twisting yourself in! Why? I would guess he sees you both as fair game, and is probably loving the attention. He is not that into you, and she is not your friend. Its all not worth it.

As for getting divorced...People are generally trying to avoid long drawn lawyers involvement so trying to be dealing only with what is important. If you were getting divorced and doing all this "he said she said" it would cost you literally tens of thousands pounds))))