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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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Joystir59 · 18/07/2025 07:18

You obviously like the drama of it all or why would you waste your time and energy on them both?

Joystir59 · 18/07/2025 07:20

Never mind analysing his emotional style, I think you should focus on your own issues and try some self reflection on why you can't or won't quit hurting yourself.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:20

Joystir59 · 18/07/2025 07:18

You obviously like the drama of it all or why would you waste your time and energy on them both?

I hate the drama it’s making me ill second guessing myself all the time and not understanding other people’s motives

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SandAndSunshine · 18/07/2025 07:21

You’ve not read it wrongly. She does imply you’re the bit part. Ditch the night out by saying you’ve been invited to X with Y and know you’ll have a great time. Then fade them.

Mumdiva99 · 18/07/2025 07:24

Forget the rest and Sophie. This is the important bit
"currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him."
That's not a relationship.
Leave him.
You might still feel lonely for a while.....but at least it's without all the other stuff too.
I'm not really sure how much of a friend Sophie is either. Maybe dial back contact.

Anonusername1234 · 18/07/2025 07:24

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:15

I have been making multiple exudes for him based on his own multiple issues including suspected attachment disorder and possibly bpd, lots of his family members have some sort of personality disorder, no idea if he does or not but it fits and I guess I need something to keep me making excuses for him while I minimise and disregard myself

Well stop. Be your own best friend. Honey you deserve better than this. Your future self IS shouting at you to tell you to get away now, not tomorrow now. It will be tough for a time, of course it will, but it will help you shore up your boundaries and meet someone who genuinely deserves the deep emotional bond you want to create. He is NOT it.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:25

In terms of response, how do I stop things from blowing up rn? I don’t need it atm my focus is needed elsewhere.

Due to logistics, I can’t feasibly end this until I’m back in the country.
I currently need him on practical level but I don’t want it to go unnoticed that he tried to mislead by omission/ glossing over yet again.
What shall I respond to them ref the night out?

im annoyed they’re colluding to invite me like it’s their event, she’s not even invited me per se,
she just wrote that she’s just invited her on/ off lover to the event
I replied:
Hey lovely, thats a coincidence, Malcolm asked me this evening to go too.
Let me know what Gordon says, hope it’s a nice response xxx

she responded back:
Yeah I know he did 😆 I sent him a tune earlier and I said are you coming to xxx and he said yes and he said he was going to ask you and I said I’m going to ask Gordon but I’m too scared. Can you ask him for me? 😂 but I ended up asking Gordon and he said YES!!!!!! Are you coming then or what?!!!!🙏🙏 xxxx

i responded that I have no idea what I’m doing yet, she replied:
You are coming out with us!

that reads to me as though she’s inviting me to join her and my on/ off boyfriend and her lover? Like I’m a bit part?

have I read this wrong?

I struggle so much with social cues.
all her messages start with ‘I’ve been chatting to Malcolm about xx music/ artist etc. and then we got onto life stuff’ {paraphrasing}

I’m thinking to him:
Sophie messaged after you did last night and said you were talking about inviting me and (her on/off ex) to xxx. I’d already marked it ages ago on FB, as was planning to go but I think I’ll sit this one out.
The dynamic feels so off lately, and I’m trying to stay clear and focused.
Hope it’s a good night for your crew. Thanks for thinking of me xxx

To her:
Morning! I’ve had xxx marked as “interested” for a while on fb, but I think I’m going to give it a miss.
Honestly, the dynamic lately has felt a bit out of sync, and I’m trying to keep my energy clean and grounded.
Hope you all have a good one xxx

i don’t want to sound like a jealous girlfriend or anything that can be perceived as bitchy or petty as it’s not my style plus she is hugely reactive and explosive especially if she thinks I suspect her of anything, she deals with this a fair bit, no idea why 😹🙄

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Nagginthenag · 18/07/2025 07:26

He's not your partner of 20 years, he's some bloke you've been on and off with for a couple of years. Just bin him off, it's not worth the angst and drama.

BabyCatFace · 18/07/2025 07:27

Don't send any of those messages. I assume you aren't going to go to the event? So just keep dignified silence until you can meet him in person and talk.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:30

BabyCatFace · 18/07/2025 07:27

Don't send any of those messages. I assume you aren't going to go to the event? So just keep dignified silence until you can meet him in person and talk.

Nothing to her at all? We chat daily usually

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Bea372 · 18/07/2025 07:30

This sounds like a really unhappy, dysfunctional relationship that you're determined/obsessed with 'fixing'. You can't fix him, don't waste any more of your time trying. Stop all these fake nice messages between you and Sophie, they're all very weird and I have no idea why you've been confiding in her or how she's become your 'friend'.

You need to get yourself away from all this mess, if you just need him logistically then you don't need to bring up that he glossed over this or that because it doesn't matter. Start glossing over everything yourself, don't message unless someone messages you and then just give a short, vague reply.

This all needs to end when you get home so you should start taking a big emotional step back right now, not become more and more obsessed with tiny details.

myplace · 18/07/2025 07:30

OP, you don’t need to do anything. You don’t need to address it. You don’t need to engage with them.

You have stuff going on in your life you need to focus on, and you need to look after yourself.

Neither of them are making your life better, supporting you, building you up.

Please don’t waste your energy teaching them, showing them, how they should behave and where they are going wrong. There are no prizes for being right or for proving them wrong or for stopping them getting away with it.

All there is, is your life and you. Focus on that. Consider them irrelevant. Make yourself the main player in your life. Stop wasting effort on them.

BringYourOwnBullshit · 18/07/2025 07:33

Didn't bother reading after he's inconsistent. Boring and tale as old as time where the man gets a regular shag and the woman over analyses it. No sympathy.

Namechangeforthis88 · 18/07/2025 07:33

Never mind having the last word or making sure they know you know or whatever.

Bigger picture:

It's a crap relationship anyway and it's time to call it a day.

You can't finish it yet for some reason.

Keep your powder dry, busy yourself with other things as best you can until you can tell him it's over.

Took me too long to work I didn't need to argue every single point. Win the war not the battle in your own life.

BabyCatFace · 18/07/2025 07:33

No, don't mention the event. If that's the text she sent you then she's playing silly games - asking your partner to invite her partner for her? She sounds about 12. I really don't think she's a friend to you.

BabyCatFace · 18/07/2025 07:34

BringYourOwnBullshit · 18/07/2025 07:33

Didn't bother reading after he's inconsistent. Boring and tale as old as time where the man gets a regular shag and the woman over analyses it. No sympathy.

What a horrible message. If you just want to be a cow then stroll on rather than drop your cow shit on people who are going through it!

OchreRaven · 18/07/2025 07:35

I don’t think you need to say anything right now. You can’t end it while you are out the country so there is no point starting the conversation. You’re also not ending it because of this one event. It’s all of it put together. He’s been emotionally investing in her whilst leaving you with nothing. I would go silent other than logistics with both of them. She’s not your friend. She loves rubbing her connection with your bf in your face. She wants to feel special and thinks everyone loves her. She’ll do anything to be the centre of attention including hurt you.

When you are ready I would message
‘I’m not happy in this relationship anymore. You have been distracted making new connections and in the process ours has died. I think it’s best we end it. I wish you well in the future.’

With her I would be tempted to ghost rather than add to the drama or at least be very non committal with meeting up and gradually cutting contact.

Do you have other friends that are not connected to them @Sidelined101?

myplace · 18/07/2025 07:36

As for their messages- you are busy and have lots going on. Leave a huge gap before replying. Let the gaps get bigger. Don’t agree to any meet ups. Just be vague.

To avoid drama, just do non responses-

No, I’m not going. Have a nice time.

I’m swamped at the moment. Have fun.

I’ll think about it later.

Maybe next time.

Ah, that sounds nice. Glad you enjoyed it.

Meaningless waffle. Be evasive.

Whatwouldnanado · 18/07/2025 07:41

This all sounds exhausting. The mind games and the drama. If you are not happy with the way he treats you end the relationship. Sophie doesn’t give a damn about you by the sounds of it, enjoys being a butterfly weaving intense reactions.
Concentrate on other interests, friendships, your career. Why do you need him in a ‘practical’ sense. You deserve better.

Rabbitsockpeony · 18/07/2025 07:42

You’d feel a hell of a lot better if you ditch both these awful people from your life.

You’re wasting your life on that man.

smallsilvercloud · 18/07/2025 07:46

I wouldn’t mention or just decline invite, I’m not sure on your reason why you have to wait until you’re in the country to kick his arse to the kerb, is it really necessary or is an excuse? The 3rd wheel dynamic that you’re in sounds confusing and frustrating, I’d take it as a pinch of salt that it’s just friends, I wouldn’t be cool with a bf wanting to emesh himself with female bestie while being made to feel the side/last option. Time for your self respect to become ruthless.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 07:53

smallsilvercloud · 18/07/2025 07:46

I wouldn’t mention or just decline invite, I’m not sure on your reason why you have to wait until you’re in the country to kick his arse to the kerb, is it really necessary or is an excuse? The 3rd wheel dynamic that you’re in sounds confusing and frustrating, I’d take it as a pinch of salt that it’s just friends, I wouldn’t be cool with a bf wanting to emesh himself with female bestie while being made to feel the side/last option. Time for your self respect to become ruthless.

He and her on/ off bloke are doing work for me and house / pet sitting while I’m away. Her bloke has turned out to be a complete fkn nightmare of a tradesperson so trying really hard to get him back in line whilst treading this careful line plus don’t want my on/off emotional void to get arsey and elevate my pets uncared for, I’m sure he wouldn’t but lately I don’t know him at all

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99bottlesofkombucha · 18/07/2025 07:56

you made a mistake telling her anything personal, stop that. You can keep chatting daily to not be weird but just check would I tell this to the man at the checkout at the shop , if not- maybe won’t mention it to Sophie.
for him, similar I think. No point calling it out, you want to keep the relationship till you’re back in the country so just send polite friendly little chats.
I guess you’ve already sent those messages but in the future don’t send vague emotionally needy wishy washy could mean anything messages. I’m quite direct to be fair but if someone sends me something about I want to keep my energies grounded I’d think we had no future as friends, if you’ve got something to say say it. For now I guess you just have to say ‘I feel like we are pretty distant atm and I don’t know what’s going on in your life, I’m sure it is just because I’m so far away.’
then when you get back you can say nope you’re right here and I feel the same, I don’t think it’s working. And byeeeee

rookiemere · 18/07/2025 07:58

I am trying to say this nicely, but you all sound like teens in those messages.

You want to keep this man - lord knows why - your only option is to back off entirely. Leave them to it, say you don’t want to get involved in discussions any more, say you’re taking a bit of time out. At the moment you seem to be a useful tool to organise their get togethers.

dogcatkitten · 18/07/2025 08:00

Let Sophie have him, you're better off finding someone a bit less flaky as a partner and she's not much of a friend to you either.