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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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UnintentionalArcher · 18/07/2025 09:22

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:10

The over analysis kills me. It’s my autism just constant circulating thoughts because none of it is resolved so my brain can’t leave it alone so it’s just ruminating all the time, hence coming here for some voices of reason. My real life friends are surprised I keep trying tbh and it’s difficult to keep talking to them about the same chaos and confusion because I find it hard to know when to stop, I get upset and then I feel embarrassed and ashamed

Just to say, I cross posted with this and I fully understand the over-analysis. It’s good that you recognise it as this.

The way I deal with it is to force myself to think in very simple terms when I recognise that pattern; I literally say things to myself like “behaviour suggests he doesn’t care about me. That means he doesn’t care about me.” I also bring it back to self-esteem, which ND people often struggle with, e.g. tell myself something really basic but that I need to hear like “I deserve better”.

Also, you may be better at seeing behaviours directed at others for what they are than behaviours directed at yourself. I can call bullshit a mile off for a friend. If so, ask yourself what you would advise a friend to do if they were presented with such categoric and overwhelming evidence that their partner was treating them like shit and this third person’s behaviour was absolutely bonkers.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 18/07/2025 09:22

This relationship is not good for you and it’s not making you happy.

Relationships dont have to be like this.

To quote your own words, yes I do think you should bin him off.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:35

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/07/2025 09:19

Sophie isn’t your problem, OP, this is:

“currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart”

Why are you tying yourself in knots over a passive, avoidant, emotionally unavailable ‘on again/off again’ man who dicks you around and makes you feel insecure and unhappy?

Dump the pair of them and stop the spiral of anxiety and overthinking that’s consuming you. How many more years are you prepared to let him string you along? When you think about the future, doesn’t it make you feel exhausted that this cycle of BS and dancing to his tune could go on in perpetuity?

Your one short and precious life is worth so much more than wasting it doing the pick-me dance for this fuckwit.

I love this thank you . I need it simple and pragmatic.
i wasted a lot of time because he was filled with potential 🤣 I’ve known him forever and saw him supposedly happily married with a beautiful house and wife etc, it’s only now I’ve seen the mirage start to disintegrate, he was divorcing when we started dating and he was never clear on the reasons citing his wife’s decision and that she never told him why which I find incredibly hard to believe but he said she was incredibly cold and self contained, maybe she just gave up talking?

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mikado1 · 18/07/2025 09:37

I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him

This sounds like hell... you deserve much better than this.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 18/07/2025 09:40

@Sidelined101 I dont know why you are in any type of relationship with this man? he clearly is very selfish and thinks of his own priorities first. you are way down the line, even further than her. no woman "needs" a man in her life. sometimes it is easier without. in fact, some women dont even need friends and are happy in their own company. I wouldnt waste my time with him. he is not loyal or truthful and appears to be looking for someone else while stringing you along. perhaps he is hopeful that her relationship fails and the would give him a chance with her. if you dumped him today, i would expect him and her to get together very soon.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/07/2025 09:56

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:35

I love this thank you . I need it simple and pragmatic.
i wasted a lot of time because he was filled with potential 🤣 I’ve known him forever and saw him supposedly happily married with a beautiful house and wife etc, it’s only now I’ve seen the mirage start to disintegrate, he was divorcing when we started dating and he was never clear on the reasons citing his wife’s decision and that she never told him why which I find incredibly hard to believe but he said she was incredibly cold and self contained, maybe she just gave up talking?

You’re not the first person to be fooled into a soul-sucking relationship by ‘potential’, @Sidelined101 - plenty of us have been there!

But if after two years there’s no sign of that potential being realised (and in your case it’s going in completely the opposite direction) then it’s time to cut your losses. He’s not the image you have of him in your head. He’s never going to magically become the dream version of him you’re clinging onto - he’s not that person and never was.

He is exactly the person you see in front of you - an emotionally manipulative time waster who loves having two women vying for his attention. He’s showing you very clearly how little he values or prioritises you, and that he has no intention of giving you what you want and need - a mutually loving, monogamous, secure and happy relationship.

You’re not even emotionally invested in who he is, only what you imagine he could be, and it’s not real. Bin him off and concentrate your energy on finding someone worthy of your time and affection.

Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 09:57

I have long standing male friends, DH has long standing female friends. Normally on mumsnet many people are fairly anti opposite sex friendships, and I am a bit baffled as to why, but here is the reason, people like your boyfriend and Sophie !
Sophie is not your friend. She is an awful person and she is manipulating the situation and playing you. Should she get together with your boyfriend, she will be all wide eyed innocence “we just couldn’t help it, never meant to hurt you …etc” . She clearly enjoys the thrill of someone else’s partner.
This is very different from people meeting while attached, falling for each other, leaving their partners and getting together. This obviously happens in life but I don’t think it’s happening here.
Both Sophie and your boyfriend are enjoying the flirtation. She likes the power and feels important, he is having his ego boosted by her flirting with him.
Neither of them seem to have any real capacity for love, care and devotion, or the ability to be unselfish or to treat partners properly. I suspect that your boyfriend actually likes Sophie at arm’s length and that if they were both single he would mess her around as much as he has you.
Honestly it’s a mess not of your making, and pps are right, you should end the relationship and end the pseudo friendship with Sophie. You don’t deserve all these games. How old are you all OP ?

JaneAustensCatDotty · 18/07/2025 09:57

You only need to read the first paragraph to know that this relationship is unhealthy and should have no future. Please don't allow anyone to twist you up in knots emotionally like this. You deserve so much more, OP.

And you write so beautifully by the way!

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:09

JaneAustensCatDotty · 18/07/2025 09:57

You only need to read the first paragraph to know that this relationship is unhealthy and should have no future. Please don't allow anyone to twist you up in knots emotionally like this. You deserve so much more, OP.

And you write so beautifully by the way!

Wow thank you 🤩 I do write and so does she, he is full of praise for her stuff publicly , sometimes heart or like reacts to mine and recently private messaged me about my ‘beautiful profile pic’
i told him it’s usually married men and creepers who do ref women’s public pics and he said ‘I guess I’m one of those guys now’

presumably because I tried to change the course of our relationship and make it less loaded, which hasn’t worked btw,
all it’s done is left me completely bereft and broken when I shared some recent trauma with him and he didn’t show any interest back.

AFTER I’d shared and advised and cared and given time to some family mayhem he was dealing with.

we’re In our mid 40s .

part of me thinks my on/off ex is almost another side character here, Sophie’s invited him as back up in case Gordon lets her down (again) then at least she still has a real person there for her and not just partying solo as she often does and I wonder if ‘Malcolm’ has invited me for similar reasons or so it doesn’t look like he’s on a date with Sophie to our many mutuals who will likely be attending?

I think Gordon messing her around is partly why she is so persistent and pushy with inviting so many people and I think she’s realised Malcolm is an easy to persuade target and that’s he’s flattered by her attention and adulation

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Icanttakethisanymore · 18/07/2025 10:09

I wouldn't message either of them because although I think you are right to feel upset about the dynamic it will be hard to articulate that well on a message and you'll sound odd. Especially since in this situation (relating to the event), Sophie hasn't done anything wrong. Your DP is the one who made the inviting weird by omitting the fact that he and sophie and been discussing it and making it sound like and you and him thing.

Leave it and break up with him when you are back.

It sounds like he definitely has a thing for her. It sounds more like she likes male attention and he's not necessarily 'special' to her (but who knows).

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:10

Is he sly with things like minimising their new friendship/ meet up story and by trying to pretend he was inviting me to various events independently of his discussions with her? She always seems to know before I do that he’s inviting me

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Icanttakethisanymore · 18/07/2025 10:11

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:10

Is he sly with things like minimising their new friendship/ meet up story and by trying to pretend he was inviting me to various events independently of his discussions with her? She always seems to know before I do that he’s inviting me

yes, because he likes her and he is conscious of how it sounds.

ETA - people always have a reason to lie / misrepresent things. It's harder to make stuff up than tell the truth.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:15

Icanttakethisanymore · 18/07/2025 10:09

I wouldn't message either of them because although I think you are right to feel upset about the dynamic it will be hard to articulate that well on a message and you'll sound odd. Especially since in this situation (relating to the event), Sophie hasn't done anything wrong. Your DP is the one who made the inviting weird by omitting the fact that he and sophie and been discussing it and making it sound like and you and him thing.

Leave it and break up with him when you are back.

It sounds like he definitely has a thing for her. It sounds more like she likes male attention and he's not necessarily 'special' to her (but who knows).

I did message because I couldn’t help myself, : Morning !
Sophie messaged last night after you and said you were talking about inviting me and Gordon to xxx , v thoughtful of you both.
I’d actually had it on my radar for a while, but I think I’ll leave it tbf
I’m not feeling myself lately, especially with where things are between us, and I need a bit of calm and clarity.

Hope it’s a good one for you and your crew xxx

he just heart reacted it And nothing else, standard from him, I just wanted it noted that it hadn’t escaped my attention. Not even ‘sorry you can’t make it’ honestly he’s a dick, he rarely invites me to stuff, only since I changed the tempo of our relationship but coincidentally it’s only stuff she’s going to be at…

i messaged her this : I’m swamped atm, probably gonna skip it, I don’t have your reserves 🤣 have fun though xxx

and her responses have been normal this morning, I’m just trying to keep it lowkey with everyone, I’ve said what I needed to say and at least it’s not circling my head anymore!

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Noshadelamp · 18/07/2025 10:21

it’s kind of snuck up on me as my partner and I have become more distant they have become closer and communicate more together @Sidelined101

Is it more likely the other way round, you and your partner have become more distant because they've become closer?

Even without the Sophie drama would you say the relationship is working for you? On/off, emotionally avoidant, doesn't sound a catch.

How much if the stress you're going through at the moment would be eased if you didn't have him or either of them in your life?

ChristmasFluff · 18/07/2025 10:22

On-and-off relationships never bring true satisfaction, peace or joy, because the 'off' is always coming.

Better to end this completely and be free of them both.

T00ManyBooks · 18/07/2025 10:23

Op it sounds like you’re the third wheel in your own relationship. You deserve to have someone who wants you and puts you first. I totally get the over-analytical autistic brain thing. I do this all the time. Protect your heart, you really deserve better than this.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:26

T00ManyBooks · 18/07/2025 10:23

Op it sounds like you’re the third wheel in your own relationship. You deserve to have someone who wants you and puts you first. I totally get the over-analytical autistic brain thing. I do this all the time. Protect your heart, you really deserve better than this.

Thank you xxx

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Dolamroth · 18/07/2025 10:26

It sounds like he's not that into you quite honestly.

Play dumb until you get back and then just end it. Without drama and block both of them. Don't waste anymore time with this loser.

Are you sure he doesn't think he's in one of your off periods? Because it sounds like it.

Noshadelamp · 18/07/2025 10:28

Also want to add, being nd means you sometimes pick up on micro expressions and the unsaid ripples of communication and patterns in relationships and behaviours, so it feels like you can't quite put your finger on something.

I've learnt to trust this in myself. I find I often have a bad feeling about a person or situation waaay before anyone else around me and then it turns out I was right all along.

Trust yourself. Something isn't right and you know it.

Ohnobackagain · 18/07/2025 10:33

@Sidelined101 sounds like she does this because she has to win the ‘pick me’ dance. Inveigles herself in like a cuckoo. He loves the attention and they’ve both almost kidded themselves it’s innocent. But it isn’t. If they are having the messaging chats you and he used to have - something is wrong. She is insecure and is almost compelled to ‘push in’ and that has pushed you out.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:43

Dolamroth · 18/07/2025 10:26

It sounds like he's not that into you quite honestly.

Play dumb until you get back and then just end it. Without drama and block both of them. Don't waste anymore time with this loser.

Are you sure he doesn't think he's in one of your off periods? Because it sounds like it.

No he’s been massaging me how much he loves and misses me and he’s got a surprise for me and done work in the garden etc, I’m the one who’s been cold, evasive and non comittal because I haven’t got it in me to fake anything and I only just found out about the minimising story of his and Sophie’s first encounter before I came away so I never had a chance to address it directly and I’m not even sure how I would or why but I don’t imagine he’d be that comfortable if the boot was on the other foot and the story has changed that much in a year ?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:47

Noshadelamp · 18/07/2025 10:28

Also want to add, being nd means you sometimes pick up on micro expressions and the unsaid ripples of communication and patterns in relationships and behaviours, so it feels like you can't quite put your finger on something.

I've learnt to trust this in myself. I find I often have a bad feeling about a person or situation waaay before anyone else around me and then it turns out I was right all along.

Trust yourself. Something isn't right and you know it.

Yes! This has happened every time! Five different women he’s been weird about and I’ve had the sense long before I addressed it or it’s come up in conversation months later and then visibly seen the discomfort on his face , not necessarily him doing anything ‘wrong’ but minimising their contact, their attention to him, his attitude/ interest towards them, including his ex wife and pictures of her in his wallet three years after they’d split up (another story)
but all precipitated by a sixth sense of mine, often very subtle, hence my asking him originally where Sophie had come from to suddenly be tagging him everywhere

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KidsDoBetter · 18/07/2025 10:50

The issue is not her. The issue is you’ve been trying to create a proper relationship with someone who is avoidant / not interested enough in you.

she’s a red herring. Your own self esteem and why you think this what you are worth is what you need to examine. This man will never make you happy.

Dolamroth · 18/07/2025 10:52

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 10:43

No he’s been massaging me how much he loves and misses me and he’s got a surprise for me and done work in the garden etc, I’m the one who’s been cold, evasive and non comittal because I haven’t got it in me to fake anything and I only just found out about the minimising story of his and Sophie’s first encounter before I came away so I never had a chance to address it directly and I’m not even sure how I would or why but I don’t imagine he’d be that comfortable if the boot was on the other foot and the story has changed that much in a year ?

You aren't happy. End the relationship and do yourself a massive favour.

Block both of them and try to stop analysing it.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 11:05

Noshadelamp · 18/07/2025 10:21

it’s kind of snuck up on me as my partner and I have become more distant they have become closer and communicate more together @Sidelined101

Is it more likely the other way round, you and your partner have become more distant because they've become closer?

Even without the Sophie drama would you say the relationship is working for you? On/off, emotionally avoidant, doesn't sound a catch.

How much if the stress you're going through at the moment would be eased if you didn't have him or either of them in your life?

No it’s not really working and it takes me so long to process stuff which is partly why I second guess myself so much because by the time my brain has caught up with my gut reaction, the actual moment is often long gone and forgotten by all involved so when I bring it up when I’ve finally recognised the present or how it’s made me feel, whoever I’m talking to/ hurt by reacts or retaliates by saying if it was that much of an issue why didn’t I say something at the time, or why are you still going on about that or just generally call me mental or say I’m dragging up the past etc.
its such a hard place to be when my processing is slow. I’m much better writing than speaking but ends up with reams of text like Rachel’s letter to Ross when they were ‘On a break’.
the reams also can make me look somewhat demented, dog with a bone tenacious

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