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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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Richiewoo · 18/07/2025 11:07

Why are you letting him treat you like this. Dump him and find someone who deserves you

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 11:12

Icanttakethisanymore · 18/07/2025 10:09

I wouldn't message either of them because although I think you are right to feel upset about the dynamic it will be hard to articulate that well on a message and you'll sound odd. Especially since in this situation (relating to the event), Sophie hasn't done anything wrong. Your DP is the one who made the inviting weird by omitting the fact that he and sophie and been discussing it and making it sound like and you and him thing.

Leave it and break up with him when you are back.

It sounds like he definitely has a thing for her. It sounds more like she likes male attention and he's not necessarily 'special' to her (but who knows).

She utterly worships him, it all came out when she was drunk, and that just me and her. I was really uncomfortable and it makes me wonder what has she said to him in private?! Even though she’s obsessed with this Gordon she practices enm, not for her and Gordon though but in her other ‘relationships’

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Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 11:23

Mid forties is far too old for this sort of nonsense. I assumed you were all in your twenties !
Who needs this drama at 45. It’s crazy. Don’t let people take the absolute mick like this OP.

Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 11:23

What on earth is enm ?

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 11:29

Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 11:23

What on earth is enm ?

Ethical non monogamy, so open relationship and casual relationship but where everyone is aware and respectful and comfortable with nobody keeping secrets about who they’re shagging or the fact they’re shagging other people etc afaik

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Neemie · 18/07/2025 12:01

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 09:10

The over analysis kills me. It’s my autism just constant circulating thoughts because none of it is resolved so my brain can’t leave it alone so it’s just ruminating all the time, hence coming here for some voices of reason. My real life friends are surprised I keep trying tbh and it’s difficult to keep talking to them about the same chaos and confusion because I find it hard to know when to stop, I get upset and then I feel embarrassed and ashamed

It isn’t just your autism. Everyone does it when they know they should dump someone but don’t want to. They hope they can analyse their way out of having to end the relationship. It isn anything to be ashamed of but you will just go round in circles until one of you ends it.

AmandeFrance0979 · 18/07/2025 12:04

Sounds like an episode of Eastenders. Dump and move on.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 12:35

Neemie · 18/07/2025 12:01

It isn’t just your autism. Everyone does it when they know they should dump someone but don’t want to. They hope they can analyse their way out of having to end the relationship. It isn anything to be ashamed of but you will just go round in circles until one of you ends it.

I think it will be me who ends it, despite all his horrible acts and his social dynamism , he is actually one of the most passive people I’ve ever met.

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MissDoubleU · 18/07/2025 13:01

You already know she practices ENM in a not-so ethical way. Of course she wouldn’t hold back from your man. She will telling him he could have his cake and eat it. You can all go out as a four because it’s all fine if you shag each other. That’s the dream. The goal. He is obsessed with her because she is dangling the ultimate fantasy.

He could have you both.

Get rid. Stop opening up to her and emotionally distance yourself from both. You don’t need to be texting her every day. Get your own crew.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 13:07

MissDoubleU · 18/07/2025 13:01

You already know she practices ENM in a not-so ethical way. Of course she wouldn’t hold back from your man. She will telling him he could have his cake and eat it. You can all go out as a four because it’s all fine if you shag each other. That’s the dream. The goal. He is obsessed with her because she is dangling the ultimate fantasy.

He could have you both.

Get rid. Stop opening up to her and emotionally distance yourself from both. You don’t need to be texting her every day. Get your own crew.

She’s never said nor hinted at anything like that to me or around me but I guess it’s plausible 🙈😭

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 13:08

I’m not into enm in any way or swinging or whatever the modern preference is now, doesn’t float my boat at all but I don’t judge anyone who’s into it as long as all parties concerned are fully in the picture

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HowAmYa · 18/07/2025 15:40

”I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him “

This alone is reason enough to leave. The rest doesn’t matter. On and off should just be off, don’t keep going back to something that clearly doesn’t work

You need someone who loves you and prioritises you.

DelphiniumBlue · 18/07/2025 15:45

He’s not the man for you. All the detail is superfluous, he doesn’t behave in the way you would like a partner to , so that’s all you need to know to decide it’s time for you to move on.

babasaclover · 18/07/2025 15:50

Sounds like you’re on/off partner is also her on/off partner. Get rid of them both

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 15:58

Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 11:23

Mid forties is far too old for this sort of nonsense. I assumed you were all in your twenties !
Who needs this drama at 45. It’s crazy. Don’t let people take the absolute mick like this OP.

Thank you, I have had a lifetime of my thoughts and needs being minimised and sidelined .
i have always ‘let’ people take the mick. Sometimes I don’t really realise it’s happening or happened until I’m too deep into it, being used , being ripped off etc, I just don’t get the cues or when I do, I feel too awkward to challenge it and upset the perceived equilibrium
I’m often treated like an idiot when I stand up for myself , probably partly because I’ve lost my shit by this point and I can’t articulate properly or I’ve let things slide so much that when I do explode nobody really gets why I’m upset, either the moment has past or I’ve just taken it and taken it until I can’t anymore.
I think people like the idea of my being ‘chill’ and nice and a bit of a pushover

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outerspacepotato · 18/07/2025 16:30

Sophie is his next GF and they're both edging you out.

Your relationship is not all that. Time to let go of both of them.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 16:56

outerspacepotato · 18/07/2025 16:30

Sophie is his next GF and they're both edging you out.

Your relationship is not all that. Time to let go of both of them.

I know it sounds cliche but she is definitely not his physical type in any way which is partly why I wonder if he feels her a safer way to have an ongoing intimate flirtation with a flirtation if that makes sense?
I know that when men say that someone isn’t their type that is who they often end up cheating with so I wouldn’t be surprised.
she is very open about her sexuality and talks about it a lot, plus on all other levels they are very similar, I thought me and him were very alike but it transpires that was a lot of surface and bullshittery, misleading , omitting and obfuscating, but him and her seem to really connect on lots of subjects especially their shared passion of which they both have encyclopaedic knowledge and I often see and hear him talk about how amazing her knowledge is (he never says ‘for a girl’ but I know that’s the subtext because I know him so well (or the parts of him he let me see)
I feel like he used me for a lot until I started to get more boundaries with him. Not financially because he’s very well off but in other ways

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localnotail · 18/07/2025 17:24

OMG OP, stop doing this! Who said what, who messaged who, blah blah blah. You are an adult (I assume) - this is not an adult relationship.

I will be blunt: they are shagging. Or close to shagging. You are being made fool of. Dump these people, and find someone who really cares for you.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 17:41

localnotail · 18/07/2025 17:24

OMG OP, stop doing this! Who said what, who messaged who, blah blah blah. You are an adult (I assume) - this is not an adult relationship.

I will be blunt: they are shagging. Or close to shagging. You are being made fool of. Dump these people, and find someone who really cares for you.

What is an adult relationship?
yes I agree there is a lot of emotional immaturity in this relationship but Surely there must be an aspect of he said / she said in all contentious relationships? How do divorce lawyers manage to stay so busy? It can’t all just be about assets?

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Sweatybettyinthisheat · 18/07/2025 17:45

He sounds uninterested in you (more interested in her) and you fully deserve someone who values you above anyone else. Line up your ducks (if you have any financial ties to him), pull up your self esteem and leave the relationship. You deserve better!

researchers3 · 18/07/2025 17:49

DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 18/07/2025 02:25

Regardless of whether it is all completely innocent or not, this relationship isn't making you happy. I've been in a relationship where I didn't have that trust for my partner and it eats away at you with the doubt. The right relationship won't make you feel this way. Relationships are meant to make you feel loved and supported and secure.

I spent the best part of 2 decades in a 'marriage' like this.

LTB! And stop confiding in her. She's not your friend, just hiding in plain sight.

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 17:51

Sweatybettyinthisheat · 18/07/2025 17:45

He sounds uninterested in you (more interested in her) and you fully deserve someone who values you above anyone else. Line up your ducks (if you have any financial ties to him), pull up your self esteem and leave the relationship. You deserve better!

Thank you, we have zero ducks together, we were working towards it then I realised exactly how passive he is in so many areas and that he seemed to be hoping to ride on the back of my existing ducks rather than bring any of his own.
plus of course the fact he’s turned out to be the king of half truths and most recently he is making weird comments about my weight and disability ‘I love that you’re not super skinny’ ‘ I love that you’re not perfect’ and stuff along those lines. His wife was a model as were many of his exes or model types. I’m anything but which I originally thought was part of his attraction to me but now I feel like he thinks he’s ’punching Down’ in order to be with me.
my self esteem is on the floor

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 17:56

researchers3 · 18/07/2025 17:49

I spent the best part of 2 decades in a 'marriage' like this.

LTB! And stop confiding in her. She's not your friend, just hiding in plain sight.

Thank you, what made you end it if you don’t mind sharing?
was it lots of the same kind of thing or multiple different things?
is the ex emotionally devoid?

I can’t believe I’ve been so naive. And in the scheme of things, this Sophie business is only a very small part of the story, really it’s just the latest chapter.

The slights, omissions, hurts , forgetting important facts, dates, ignoring me in a crisis etc are multiple, almost weekly.

i don’t know how many times I’ve heard him say it will be different.

weve been friends since childhood, i guess i thought that gave us some extra stability but i have massively kidded myself with him.
the disappointment is off the scale.

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Christwosheds · 18/07/2025 18:23

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 11:29

Ethical non monogamy, so open relationship and casual relationship but where everyone is aware and respectful and comfortable with nobody keeping secrets about who they’re shagging or the fact they’re shagging other people etc afaik

Blimey . Aren’t you all a bit old for this as well OP ? I mean , I don’t have friends with this level of self obsessed behaviour. There isn’t enough room on my face for how much my eyes would be rolling if someone earnestly told me they were ‘ethically non monogamous’ .

NarnianQueen · 18/07/2025 18:33

Honestly I would find a new male friend you can start inviting along to nights out and see how “not jealous” your dp is then, but I’m petty and childish.

it sounds like this woman loves the feeling of getting in between couples then dropping hints so the women become aware of the fact they’re the last to know what their partner has been doing / talking about etc

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