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Partner’s “platonic” friendship with my friend feels off — would this bother anyone else?

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Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:12

I’ve been in an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years. We’ve had a deep emotional and physical bond, though it’s not always been stable. A big reason for this is that he’s inconsistent and emotionally avoidant or seems to be, I have absolutely twisted myself up in knots trying to make it work and to understand him .

We describe things as monogamous and that we love each other although currently it feels dead and empty and I’m incredibly lonely dealing with huge things alone and no input of any use from him.
it breaks my heart .
About a year into our relationship, he met a woman , let’s call her Sophie , at a festival. She’s since become a mutual friend.

Here’s the thing: they each told me a very different story about how they met. His version was vague and pretty innocuous although felt disconcertingly vague which is a pattern of his, more always comes out later.

Her version was very recent.
we’d both been drinking, her much more than me, her version was more effusive, how he’d looked after her all day,’was so lovely’, been kind and thoughtful, really made an impression.
At the time I just let it pass, as she enthused and rhapsodised about him but in hindsight it left a little crack of doubt.

Since then, they’ve become increasingly close.
its often her who will let slip they have been chatting online about this and that, he will frame it as she is trying to get him to do x, y and z activity and he is being pulled into it almost against his will but it’s clear he’s also loving the feeling of her wanting h is presence.
I’ve tried to take it in stride , I even grew very friendly with Sophie myself because she has got an amazing personality, is kind, fun, funny and I believed honest and transparent .

But there have been moments where the dynamic between them has felt uncomfortably intimate , not necessarily sexual, but somehow sidelining.
They chat often, she’s been in the loop on things he’s not mentioned to me, and I’ve started to feel like the last to know. Recent example being that she told me they were both messaging privately about a gig they both want to go to in another city, neither had mentioned it to me, she told me in the context of him telling her some news about me ‘we just got chatting’ and this was very close to me having broken down and told her some things about our relationship on a night where she’d been sharing her woes with me about her on/ off partner.

What really hit me this week: he messaged inviting me to a music night I’d already marked on socials as “interested” in months ago.
he rarely invited me to anything and we’re not particularly close at the moment so it was a surprise . I have a lot on so I said I might not make it but no doubt Sophie will be going and he just ‘heart reacted’ my message then changed the subject…

Then a bit later, the same night, Sophie messaged about the same eve, not directly inviting me, but telling me she’s been discussing who to invite with my on/off partner and I said that’s a funny coincidence, my (on/off )partner invited me out of the blue tonight and she responded ‘I know he did!’

said she and he had been talking about inviting me and another friend and ended our messages in a kind of “you’re coming with us” tone.
i haven’t responded to her yet but i feel pissed off.

It felt less like a genuine, spontaneous invite and more like I was being folded into something already set. He also completely glossed over the part where I mentioned she’d likely be going, so he’s got company if I don’t go - she messaged an hour later and told me clearly he’d known she’d be going all along .
It felt weird. I felt weird.

i have also noticed this has happened before but I didn’t read as much into it last time

To add to the unease: Sophie has a pattern. I’ve seen her ask out nearly every man she becomes close to.

I’ve watched her copy-paste invites to multiple people until someone bites. She’s charismatic and friendly, yes, but also intense, persuasive, and has very fixed attachments.
my in /off partner doesn’t seem to grasp that she’s inviting everyone and talks about her invites very much as though she’s only focusing on him.
there has been some weird evasive omitting of information by him more than once, often things that had he been upfront initially they would not become as significant later on…

And while she and I have been close, I now feel a bit exposed , I’ve shared a lot with her about my ups and downs with my partner, and I don’t feel confident she’s holding those things with care.

he’s never once mentioned this pattern of hers , even though he seems to know her well now.

has also shown herself to be extremely jealous and possessive of her own ‘partner’ and has told me more than once about women friends who are jealous of her ‘friendship’ with their partners, she frames it very much as a ‘them problem’ for being paranoid and jealous.

It just all doesn’t sit right. Am I being paranoid for thinking something’s off?

I’m neurodivergent (autistic and ADHD) and can struggle to filter what’s “just” social weirdness vs. genuine red flags. I try not to catastrophise, but I also know I often overlook things too long when I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Would this bother you? Would you say something or step back? Is this just awkward social energy or something deeper?

How would you handle it from here?

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Noluthando · 19/07/2025 08:29

Lighteningstrikes · 18/07/2025 23:38

If I was you, I would ask myself why I keep putting myself through so much sh*t with these piss takers.

Stop it and take control of yourself.

Agree. Life's too short for this shit. It will be so peaceful not to have all this in your life.

UnintentionalArcher · 19/07/2025 09:00

@Sidelined101

‘Over’thinking and ’over’ analysis come with my neurotype unfortunately , it’s an horrendous thing to deal with especially when people who are close to you are telling you that you misinterpreted what you’re seeing and feeling, it’s like being gaslighted but really confusing because it’s by someone you love who is mostly lovely and who is loved by many.’

But you have just defined gaslighting. It is done by someone who has conditioned you to think that they love you and are mostly lovely. Because if you felt no connection to them, they would have no hold over you and you wouldn’t then feel confused when they turned on the bad behaviour because you wouldn’t care. Abusers aren’t generally horrible all the time (notwithstanding escalation - the bad times do usually intensify and get more frequent) or they would have no way of reeling you in and keeping hold of you.

Regarding the over-analysis; you recognise it, which is good. But how to deal with it now so that you can move forward? I would set Sophie to one side now and think of her as a symptom of his wider behaviour and stop going down the rabbit hole of trying to work her out. It’s distracting you from what really matters - his behaviour. Can you put some of his behaviours into ChatGPT and see what it says?

I just tried it with these questions:

What does it mean when a man is hot and cold with me but has a really intense friendship with another woman?

When a man acts hot and cold with you but has a strong, intense friendship with another woman, it can signal a few possible dynamics.

Here’s what it might mean:

  1. Confusion or Lack of Clear Feelings
  • If he is inconsistent with you—sometimes very interested (hot) and other times distant (cold)—it could mean he’s unsure about his feelings or isn’t ready for a deeper relationship.
  • He may enjoy your company but not be fully invested emotionally.
  1. Emotional Investment Elsewhere
  • If his friendship with the other woman is emotionally intense, it’s possible she is the primary person he turns to for emotional support and connection.
  • This doesn’t necessarily mean romantic feelings, but it could mean he’s already “emotionally taken,” leaving little room for you.
  1. Testing Boundaries
  • Some people act hot and cold when they want to keep someone interested but are not ready to commit.
  • His intense friendship with the other woman might also be a way to keep his options open or avoid putting all his energy into one connection.
  1. Possible Romantic Feelings for the Other Woman
  • If his friendship with her seems unusually close (e.g., deep emotional sharing, constant communication, physical affection), it could be that he has romantic feelings for her—whether or not he admits it.
  1. You Are Not His Priority
  • Hot and cold behavior often signals that you are not his main focus, while the consistent attention he gives another woman shows where his energy is going.

Can it also be the tactic of an abuser?

Yes, hot and cold behavior can definitely be a tactic used by an abuser or someone who is emotionally manipulative. This pattern is often part of a cycle designed to create confusion, dependency, and self-doubt in the other person. Here’s how this can show up:

How Hot and Cold Can Be Abusive

  1. Control Through Uncertainty
  2. An abuser might shower you with attention and affection (hot) and then suddenly withdraw or act distant (cold), leaving you desperate to regain their approval.
  3. This keeps you off balance, wondering what you did wrong, which gives them power.
  4. Triangulation
  5. Having an “intense friendship” with another woman can be used as a way to make you jealous, insecure, or feel like you’re competing for their attention.
  6. This creates tension and shifts the focus away from their behavior to your “reaction,” making you feel like the problem.
  7. Gaslighting
  8. If you question his behavior, he might say things like, “You’re imagining things,” or “You’re too sensitive,”making you doubt your feelings and perceptions.
  9. Intermittent Reinforcement
  10. The cycle of hot-and-cold behavior is similar to how gambling hooks people—your brain keeps hoping for that next “reward” (the hot phase), which can create emotional dependency.
Red Flags That Point to Abusive Tactics
  • You feel confused about where you stand most of the time.
  • You’re anxious or “walking on eggshells,” afraid of making them pull away.
  • They make comparisons to the other woman (even subtly), leaving you feeling “less than.”
  • They blame you when you express how their behavior hurts you.
OurBeautifulBaby · 19/07/2025 09:01

Any relationship that is on/off is failing. It sounds like it’s never worked but he’s likely came back for sex as and when it suits him.

Leave them to it. He will never be the same you want.

scarlett88 · 19/07/2025 09:14

when you say “we aren’t close at the moment” it’s quite confusing like you aren’t actually together. Maybe establish without a doubt if you are a couple or not rather then settling for what he wants at the expense of what you want wich I imagine is a committed secure relationship. Also the passive aggressive “no doubt Sophie will be going” I don’t think is helpful you should be honest about your feelings I know you said you have twisted your self in knots trying to make it work but honestly darling instead of worrying and trying to work out what Sophie is doing (feels like your focusing more of the blame on her than the man you are in a on off relationship with) I would focus more on respecting yourself and thinking what it is you really want and need. If you are feeling dead and empty and he doesn’t care about supporting you with the huge things you are going through I think it’s time to let him go x x x

knackredd · 19/07/2025 09:21

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 02:27

To add, I hadn’t picked up properly on his inconsistency and emotional avoidance tactics, he presented himself as a much more well rounded in tune person and its taken time and a lot of hurt and feeling rejected and abandoned and sidelined to realise he likely doesn’t have capacity to love me in the way I needed.
he stil says he loves me and is still romantic etc but I’m starting to feel angry with him. She’s not the only woman things have been weird with but he ‘doesn’t get jealous’ so doesn’t understand my problem when he is evasive about women.
i have dreams about it where I’m raging or really confrontational with him.
he is so mild mannered, super popular, very chill and very charismatic and physically attractive

All of this tells you he is not emotionally compatible for you.

Even your dreams.

The girl is a red herring and maybe in your own head you should thank her presence for spotlighting and uncovering these feelings.

Do you find it hard to walk away - do you need to blame or have a confrontation - or can incompatiblity just be enough?

EarthSight · 19/07/2025 09:41

Sidelined101 · 18/07/2025 22:17

I don’t think of myself as a pick me type either but this is the first relationship I’ve been in for years, I have been a single mum for a long time and in that time I have aged massively, had a break down, experienced so much ill health and trauma that my looks have deteriorated and my ‘figure’ is now non existent.
i used to be effortlessly attractive, not a stealth brag just true, very hippy, earth mother type and always looked so much younger with zero effort but then medication, disability, etc and I don’t recognise myself inside or in the mirror.
it has hugely impacted my self esteem and I think it has made me weak in the face of an attractive popular and relatively successful man who is much desired by my peers and much younger women too.
I know it sounds dumb but sometimes we are reduced to this , I have never been vain, never learned how to make the best of my looks or use make up etc and now I feel left behind by people there women, so many people use aesthetic improvements, know how to use makeup to their advantage and I just feel like a jowly frumpy wrinkly old jacket potato.
I don’t have money for salon treatments and I think on some level I am grateful to have a on/off partner who superficially brings me back to my previous life and social status.
not just single depressed crying mum who’s ’let herself go’
hard to articulate this so I hope it makes sense.

Makes perfect sense and I'm not surprised.

It sounds like he is throwing you just about enough breadcrumbs so you keep a bed warm for him, but when you really needed him, he wasn't there. That's because he's not really invested in you.

It sucks and I sympathise. In the end, I think your life will probably be smoother and more peaceful without these two people in it.

GreyCarpet · 19/07/2025 09:53

EarthSight · 19/07/2025 09:41

Makes perfect sense and I'm not surprised.

It sounds like he is throwing you just about enough breadcrumbs so you keep a bed warm for him, but when you really needed him, he wasn't there. That's because he's not really invested in you.

It sucks and I sympathise. In the end, I think your life will probably be smoother and more peaceful without these two people in it.

It makes perfect sense to me too and I think you've articulated it very well.

I also agree that your life will be better and you will feel more content and at ease without these two people in it.

You aren't getting anything fom this that most people get from being in a relationship other than being able to say you're not completely single.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 09:53

Thank you all for lovely comments, I agree Sophie is a red herring completely. Hilariously she has made a post this morning of herself showing off and has tagged him in it for lols and giving him praise and THEN, just in case I hadn’t seen it, she has also messsged me exactly the same post as she’s posted and told me that she’d told him she would post it this morning 🤣🤣🤣
what?!
I have not responded to her message nor her post and have archived her messages plus that message group were in together so that I don’t feel tempted to respond, but wtaf is that all about? Is she just trying to keep me in the loop of their fun times completely unrelated to me and him?
coincidentally the theme of her post is not dissimilar to a video he made for me not long ago which was very arty and super romantic and referencing something I’m good at, which she never ‘liked’ nor commented on.
She has titled it in such a way that negates his previous piece of work for me and puts her at the forefront.
i know she is just ‘noise’ at this stage and my job needs to be getting rid of him but it’s still baity and I have to try very hard not to stoop to her level or challenge the dates/ context.
i won’t btw but she would.
She’s a real pedant and she would go NUTS if a woman did that to her ‘man’ (she calls the Gordon her man to other women)

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WingBingo · 19/07/2025 10:03

Step away from the drama. Detach and move on. You’re doing yourself no favours.

Kelli92 · 19/07/2025 10:22

She wants a reaction don't give it to her, she is enjoying goading you. Grey Rock her and that will really annoy her.
Gd for you for not engaging!!

UnintentionalArcher · 19/07/2025 10:33

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 09:53

Thank you all for lovely comments, I agree Sophie is a red herring completely. Hilariously she has made a post this morning of herself showing off and has tagged him in it for lols and giving him praise and THEN, just in case I hadn’t seen it, she has also messsged me exactly the same post as she’s posted and told me that she’d told him she would post it this morning 🤣🤣🤣
what?!
I have not responded to her message nor her post and have archived her messages plus that message group were in together so that I don’t feel tempted to respond, but wtaf is that all about? Is she just trying to keep me in the loop of their fun times completely unrelated to me and him?
coincidentally the theme of her post is not dissimilar to a video he made for me not long ago which was very arty and super romantic and referencing something I’m good at, which she never ‘liked’ nor commented on.
She has titled it in such a way that negates his previous piece of work for me and puts her at the forefront.
i know she is just ‘noise’ at this stage and my job needs to be getting rid of him but it’s still baity and I have to try very hard not to stoop to her level or challenge the dates/ context.
i won’t btw but she would.
She’s a real pedant and she would go NUTS if a woman did that to her ‘man’ (she calls the Gordon her man to other women)

Wow! She sounds very childish but very very provoking!! Good on you for archiving her messages and not responding

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 19/07/2025 11:07

@Sidelined101 look. if you have to seriously question a relationship and someone's loyalty then that relationship is definitely over. do not wast any more of your time. he is not thinking of you so dont think of him! get rid!!!!

onehorserace · 19/07/2025 11:18

You want to change this situation into one where it is just you and him but you don't have the power to do so. Because of that I would end it as he's not giving you what you need from a relationship. All it's giving you is grief and drama.

deathlydull · 19/07/2025 11:41

OP I cannot tell you how powerful and peaceful you will feel when you move on away from these people. Just because you’re ND it doesn’t mean to say you HAVE to over analyse everything. It’s not the law. You can just as easily say to yourself, ‘fuck this shit, I’m out’, and then get on with your life, calmly reclaiming your self esteem and self worth.

No need for dramatic showdown or exits, just fade them out. You will feel so much better for it.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 12:16

Thanks all for kind and sensible comments, honestly I just opened my social media and she is right at the top of my feed having RE-TAGGED HIM IN THE COMMENTS!!!!
He has already responded to her original tagging, honestly this is bonkers, I am still not reacting but bloody hell, this is next level shit.
I'm so glad there was no social media when i was a reactive younger person 🤣🙈
interestingly me and her had had a conversation before about how much he needs to be adored by his fans and I don’t give him that adoration 24/7 because I only give it where it is valid, she’s obviously taken that on board with bells on!

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knackredd · 19/07/2025 12:21

Why are you still engaging with her? Because thats what you are doing even when you look at SM - you are allowing yourself to be impacted.

Do you need the drama hit - do you need the conflict - do you need to feel you are right and can blame her / him.

Take yourself out of emotional punching distance - protect your peace - stop inflicting this on yourself.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 12:26

knackredd · 19/07/2025 12:21

Why are you still engaging with her? Because thats what you are doing even when you look at SM - you are allowing yourself to be impacted.

Do you need the drama hit - do you need the conflict - do you need to feel you are right and can blame her / him.

Take yourself out of emotional punching distance - protect your peace - stop inflicting this on yourself.

I won’t respond and I have just muted both of them on socials as well so it doesn’t pop up and jar me, I was just having a quick scroll , I am used to her popping up first because she is prolific and I know that she is not my real problem here but I need to share this somewhere, there’s nobody in real life that I’m in contact with who doesn’t think she is amazing so. I can’t air it anywhere else and as this thread was started about his interaction with her, this feels like a natural place for me to get it off my chest

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knackredd · 19/07/2025 13:17

Thats fine and I understand that - I am glad you have muted them both.

Our only power in life is to intentionally protect our own peace and not follow our urges into curiosity and drama for kicks.

AAudreyHorne · 19/07/2025 13:21

Sophie is not your friend.

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 13:36

knackredd · 19/07/2025 13:17

Thats fine and I understand that - I am glad you have muted them both.

Our only power in life is to intentionally protect our own peace and not follow our urges into curiosity and drama for kicks.

So true 🙌🏼

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Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 13:37

AAudreyHorne · 19/07/2025 13:21

Sophie is not your friend.

Also true. I wish I weren’t so open with my feelings 😭🙄

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AAudreyHorne · 19/07/2025 13:57

Sidelined101 · 19/07/2025 13:37

Also true. I wish I weren’t so open with my feelings 😭🙄

Unfortunately there are some women out there who use their charms to win trust and encourage others to open up ... then use all that info to fuck them over.
I think we've all fallen victim to someone like this at some point in our lives.
You are not the one in the wrong for trusting, they are the nasty ones in this situation.
All you can do is learn from it and be a little more cautious when making new friends.

Mix56 · 19/07/2025 14:10

how should you handle it ?....... You need to ditch this female friend, she brings turmoil at every level, she is not to be trusted.
You should also tell your "possible boy friend/not boy friend", that you are not interested in playing 2nd fiddle to the FF. So thanks, but No Thanks.
If he says you are imagining it, you reply "Whatever your situation, its making you miserable, so I am done"

mumda · 19/07/2025 14:32

Have a re-read of the volume of nonsense you think is going on in your on/off/not relationship.

Want better for yourself.

Voxon · 19/07/2025 14:54

They both sound really dysfunctional.

Your partner sounds like he puts attention and intimacy outside the relationship to avoid feeling like he's actually in one.

Sophie sounds like she gets off on implying other people's partners fancy her and usurping their connection.

I'd personally dump them both. Your instinct is right.

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