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DH so, so annoying!!! Ahhhh!

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Char65 · 17/12/2023 14:31

My DH! 😡OMG I find him so incredibly annoying at times! Last Saturday we went to a lovely party and I wore a gorgeous and very expensive gold dress which I posted about on style and beauty and he was fully of compliments and it was a really lovely, lovely evening and this Saturday we had a bit of an argument about Christmas arrangements and some other stuff. The youngest lives at home and then our eldest son and his wife and out granddaughter are coming Christmas day but not sure what’s happening with the two girls who I phoned and was talking to for ages and then got accused of pandering to them as I wanted to see them over the Christmas period and they weren’t panning to come over Christmas day with their b/fs. DH thinks he’s right all the time and doesn’t like me disagreeing with him and he doesn’t listen to me so when I get really het up and we argue he accuses me of being pig-headed and bad-tempered. I joined MN and posted about things being difficult since DH had retired in 2018 – which was my first post - backstory here. He had a high-powered high-income job in the City. We married when I was 25 and he was 38, that was 33 years ago! I became a SAHM with an allowance which I loved as had 4 children now aged 32, 30, 27 and 22 – the youngest being at home still (I was so, so happy when the children were young and really loved life! The children all went to private schools but didn’t board and my life revolved around them to a large extent. Our eldest played rugby and if it wasn’t for an injury would have become a professional and our eldest daughter played cello in an orchestra but not professional). We wanted for nothing and had a lovely lifestyle and lovely family holidays. DH has always been good with money and we moved house quite a few times to make money on sales and he invested in property as well and stocks and shares like his dad who owned a stables and holiday lets and a shop. His mum was a SAHM and his dad was very traditional in his thinking. I always got on well with his parents who owned a villa in Spain (we now own it) and used to take the children out there even if DH was working and could only join us for a short period but the truth is DH has always been a bit difficult. He’s very traditional, serious and stern and I guess I’ve always been a bit placid and submissive but on the flip side he’s always been faith and loyal, supported me financially (in fact he’s very generous to me and the children) and backed up with anything to do with the children. When he was working he often worked late and played golf every Saturday, so we didn’t see a huge amount of each other. He liked coming back to a nice home and when we went out socially he’d always be very complimentary like he was last Saturday and oddly that is when we get on the best as he likes having a younger wife and the fact I’m quiet ‘chatty’ and sociable as he can be quite quiet. He’s never minded me going out with friends, shopping, beauty treatments, going to the theatre etc and but he’s always been in charge. In fact one day I overheard him talking to my Dad (my parents used to babysit a lot for us and stay over) and Dad asked him what I thought about something or other he was planning for us to do (probably move house!) and DH said ‘oh she’ll just do as she’s told.’ As I say when the children were young they were my life and I guess were my Achilles heel when it came to DH and why I didn’t push things when he made decisions I wasn’t happy about (oh and I have to say he knew that too!) like moving house which was a big upheaval especially for me and the children but now they have all left home apart from the youngest, so I don’t need to care for them so much. We have recently become grandparents and I over committed on childcare, but DH sorted that out. After the last post I put some things to DH which had been suggested by kind MNers. He said he didn’t want to be a NED or do any form of voluntary work or anything like that but wanted to relax though he did like the auctioneering idea, and we have done that together and he’s going to specialise (he used to collect rare books and James Bond/Ian Fleming memorabilia which he loves and is surprising valuable) so that’s really good and we’ve had some good days out with that, going for nice lunches but again DH likes to dictate what I buy so I tend to just let him buy things and I look around. When we sat down to talk things over (I’ve learnt over the years to do this is in a way that I’m not 'having a go' at him or he gets defensive) his issues with me were that I was always phoning and texting the children (he thinks I molly coddle them and we have an ‘uneasy peace’ shall we say with the youngest still being at home) and had continued my life as it was before he retired. He admitted he’d found it hard to adjust to retirement and although he doesn’t pick holes in me so much or try to organise me so much now we are alone together I know we don’t have that much in common, which is why the auctioneering is good because at least we’re kind of doing something together. I was hoping he would ‘lighten up’ (as our oldest used to say to him!) as he got older but that hasn’t happened (in fact he’s got worse!). I love him and know at 71 I know he’s not going to change and to be honest I can’t imagine life without him so I’m not going to leave him so really I’ve just come on here to vent and let off steam really – ahhhhh - he is so f**king annoying at times!!!! Thanks MN - I feel a lot better now!😃

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Shoxfordian · 17/12/2023 14:41

If you're not going to leave and he's not going to change then go on being miserable

cigarettesNalcohol · 17/12/2023 14:43

Sounds miserable op. You deserve better.

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 17/12/2023 14:51

Well it seems you’ve made a very comfortable bed and despite not having the ideal pillow you are going to lie in it.

Your life is subservient to the needs of your husband, your children and the grandchildren. You are living the early 20th century dream and that of all the centuries before.
You are living up to the goals of generations of middle class women before you. Of course you can complain. That is a human right. Just be glad that other women are happy to listen. Maybe this is the benefit of living this anachronistic lifestyle in the 21st century?

Duckingella · 17/12/2023 15:15

Your husband thinks he's more important than anyone else including you and you should all behave like good little subordinates and do as he says.

TBH after a long marriage where you've supported the career of a wealthy man you'd get a decent divorce settlement.

There's a reason a man of nearly 40 marries a much younger woman of 25 and that's because you were easier to manipulate.

You say he's been loyal and faithful and supported you financially whilst you were a SAHP.Your bar is set too low;this is the bare minimum.

You've been treated and continue to be treated as a commodity;a trophy wife;you're 58 and still have decades ahead of you and could happily have a decent life doing things that make you happy.

Char65 · 17/12/2023 18:52

Shoxfordian · 17/12/2023 14:41

If you're not going to leave and he's not going to change then go on being miserable

Don't think I've not thought about leaving him because I have! In fact I have thought about it on and off over the past 13 or so years. Things were kind of Ok until then but then through the 2010's our parents passed away and our children became more independent and started to leave home and certainly since 2018 when he retired! The Covid lockdown was an absolute f**king nightmare and drove me to distraction! Things have improved massively since then (at least he can play golf and we go out and i can have some me time with my friends) but I just don’t know what to do as sometimes we have good times like last Saturday and I know his behaviour is partly my fault.

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YaWeeFurryBastard · 17/12/2023 19:04

There's a reason a man of nearly 40 marries a much younger woman of 25 and that's because you were easier to manipulate.

This sorry, as the saying goes, marry for money and you’ll earn every penny. Not saying you married solely for money, but this is the flip side of many high earning men who are keen to be the sole provider. You sound quite fixated on money to be honest and it was a main feature of this and your previous post, see also the irrelevant boast about your son’s rugby career. I think you need to focus on YOU and what your life means, including building some hobbies and some self esteem away from your husband.

Hbh17 · 17/12/2023 19:10

You've said that the children were/are "your life".... first mistake. You willingly went along with a role as the SAHM, hostess, trophy wife over 30 years ago. Fine, if that was what you wanted, but it's harsh to now push against your husband's own very traditional role now that the children no longer need you. This was a choice you made - what makes you think he will change at this stage? Maybe you should get away for a holiday on your own so that, at least, you can have some time to reflect.

FictionalCharacter · 17/12/2023 19:40

I know his behaviour is partly my fault
No, it isn’t. His behaviour is on him.

This is your life for maybe 20 years, possibly even more, only he’ll get more cranky and difficult and set in his ways as he gets older. You can carry on posting on MN “just to vent” but if you do, you’ll be on the receiving end of some serious home truths.

violetcuriosity · 17/12/2023 20:12

I've just read all of this waiting to find out the drama about the gold dress that you opened this story with?! 🤣

pictoosh · 17/12/2023 20:29

violetcuriosity · 17/12/2023 20:12

I've just read all of this waiting to find out the drama about the gold dress that you opened this story with?! 🤣

Yes me too. It's like one of those sub-plots that tails off into nowhere.

Char65 · 18/12/2023 09:44

Thank you all so much for all your kind replies. I couldn’t really do much yesterday as DS, DiL and DGC were round but I did have a brief look at them and then had a sleepless night worrying about it all but now DH has just left to go to play golf yippee 😂so I have some time to respond properly! There’s not much I would disagree with in any of the replies TBH and I know I made my own bed as far as DH is concerned. Sometimes I hate my life but most of the time its pretty good. It tends to be at night when I wake up thinking about things (with DH snoring beside me!) which is the worse time but during the day I just get on with it and I’m always fairly busy. @pictoosh @violetcuriosity in regard to the gold dress it was something and nothing really. I put this post on style and beauty and then DH and I had a lovely time at the party and he was full of compliments but a week later we had a bit of a falling out.😞
DH and I are going to quite a formal showy Christmas event in mid-December. It starts at 2pm and goes on into the evening in a hotel, its organised by one of DH’s ex colleagues (who likes to flash the cash) and will be a Christmas party plus a 55th birthday party for his wife (and I think his daughter's birthday too). I imagine there will be quite a lot of people there of mixed ages and no expense will be spared! There be a buffet and dancing but not a sit down meal so not unlike a wedding reception. I’m stumped over what to wear I would love to wear something like this
https://www.mytheresa.com/de/en/women/giambattista-valli-jacquard-a-line-midi-dress-gold-p00851724
but wonder if I’m too old for it and if its too OTT I’m 58 and 5 foot 8 and a size 10/12 so quite slim but have a largish bust (36D), what do others think? Should I play it safe with a more traditional dress?

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SgtJuneAckland · 18/12/2023 09:48

Is this real?

Char65 · 18/12/2023 09:49

Hbh17 · 17/12/2023 19:10

You've said that the children were/are "your life".... first mistake. You willingly went along with a role as the SAHM, hostess, trophy wife over 30 years ago. Fine, if that was what you wanted, but it's harsh to now push against your husband's own very traditional role now that the children no longer need you. This was a choice you made - what makes you think he will change at this stage? Maybe you should get away for a holiday on your own so that, at least, you can have some time to reflect.

@Hbh17 Your post made me feel a bit guilty about posting and letting off steam in the way I did. TBH I didn’t really understand this bit
You've said that the children were/are "your life".... first mistake.
But I can’t really argue with this
You willingly went along with a role as the SAHM, hostess, trophy wife over 30 years ago. Fine, if that was what you wanted, but it's harsh to now push against your husband's own very traditional role now that the children no longer need you. This was a choice you made - what makes you think he will change at this stage? Maybe you should get away for a holiday on your own so that, at least, you can have some time to reflect.
TBH I know he won’t change at this stage of his life so of course, as you say, it is harsh to now push against him and be annoyed by him now that the children no longer need me. He’s not really changed at all since we married (apart from getting grumpier and bit more serious and I probably get more irritated by things because he’s around more but that’s not to say he wasn’t always like that!) and although I was a bit naïve when I married I can’t say I didn’t know what he was like as we’d dated for almost 2 years. A you say maybe I need a holiday on my own to reflect! LOL

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Char65 · 18/12/2023 09:51

@Duckingella Your husband thinks he's more important than anyone else including you and you should all behave like good little subordinates and do as he says.
Our 2 sons would agree with this less so our 2 daughters.
You've been treated and continue to be treated as a commodity; a trophy wife;
Yes, this is exactly how it is. I can see that now.

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Char65 · 18/12/2023 09:53

FictionalCharacter · 17/12/2023 19:40

I know his behaviour is partly my fault
No, it isn’t. His behaviour is on him.

This is your life for maybe 20 years, possibly even more, only he’ll get more cranky and difficult and set in his ways as he gets older. You can carry on posting on MN “just to vent” but if you do, you’ll be on the receiving end of some serious home truths.

You can carry on posting on MN “just to vent” but if you do, you’ll be on the receiving end of some serious home truths.

Maybe that's what I need

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Pastarasta1 · 18/12/2023 09:54

OP - for the love of god, please use paragraphs! that was incredibly difficult to read!!

Pastarasta1 · 18/12/2023 09:54

OP - for the love of god please use paragraphs! that was an incredibly hard read!

SunRainStorm · 18/12/2023 09:54

Love the dress.

Could you use paragraphs next time? I find it hard to read slabs of text.

He sounds like a dick

Char65 · 18/12/2023 09:56

Pastarasta1 · 18/12/2023 09:54

OP - for the love of god please use paragraphs! that was an incredibly hard read!

Yes sorry will try to use paragraphs.

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harriethoyle · 18/12/2023 10:01

Good God.

PARAGRAPHS.

What an extraordinarily banal stream of consciousness. Ship out or shut up. Sounds like you've enjoyed the trappings over the years well enough.

Correlation · 18/12/2023 10:31

Hi OP, sorry you are feeling this way.

I'm curious as to what you and your DH had in common when you met? As you say you don't have much in common now...

NonPlayerCharacter · 18/12/2023 10:39

SgtJuneAckland · 18/12/2023 09:48

Is this real?

Yeah, I think it is.

muddymudwater · 18/12/2023 10:43

Duckingella · 17/12/2023 15:15

Your husband thinks he's more important than anyone else including you and you should all behave like good little subordinates and do as he says.

TBH after a long marriage where you've supported the career of a wealthy man you'd get a decent divorce settlement.

There's a reason a man of nearly 40 marries a much younger woman of 25 and that's because you were easier to manipulate.

You say he's been loyal and faithful and supported you financially whilst you were a SAHP.Your bar is set too low;this is the bare minimum.

You've been treated and continue to be treated as a commodity;a trophy wife;you're 58 and still have decades ahead of you and could happily have a decent life doing things that make you happy.

Yeah this. I would divorce him in an instant.

Basically, you don't like him but you do like the lifestyle his earnings support, so you enjoy the bits of your life he is not present in. ( no judgement - you earnt that money through your work as wife and mother).

He enjoys being superior to you and in charge of you, and he likes the fact that you have facilitated his domestic and family life so he didn't have to do any of this work. He enjoyed the bit of his life ( work) that you were not in.

If you can still have a decent life without him through divorce money, then divorce.

PaminaMozart · 18/12/2023 10:54

The way all these thoughts and observations just tumble out of you highlights how unfocused and all over the place you are.

I think you'd really benefit from counselling to sort through this jumble and make a considered plan of what you actually want to do with the rest of your life.

Char65 · 18/12/2023 10:57

Correlation · 18/12/2023 10:31

Hi OP, sorry you are feeling this way.

I'm curious as to what you and your DH had in common when you met? As you say you don't have much in common now...

If I'm totally honest I did like the lifestyle, he had loved a lovely 2 bed flat in St Katherine dock. when we met. I also like the fact he was mature, honest and trustworthy and wanted to settle down and start a family as my previous b/f who was 2 years older and had been a womaniser, liar and a cheat and the one before that wasn't up to much either!

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