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My wife has a new male friend and I’m concerned

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Tom961 · 28/08/2022 15:56

Hi everyone,

I would appreciate your opinions on the following matter as I don’t really know what I should think or feel myself: my ratio clashes with my feelings.

The issue is this: I have been married to a very pretty and nice woman for two months. We’ve been together for 3 years and have lived together for two years. Currently there are no issues or problems between us and we’re both happy.

Now she has worked for the same company for two years and has met a male single colleague with whom she gets along well. At work they spend time together and recently they also meet outside of work. The three of us went to do sports once and he went to our house twice to play board games. In addition they exchange messages on WhatsApp or instagram (or like each other’s stories. The conversations are not at all intimate I must admit. Personally I’m not too fond of the idea of her meeting him or befriending him (mainly due to the fact that he’s handsome and smart and competition) but I also know that I can’t stop it. She’s a free individual. We talked about their “friendship” and she knows that I don’t like it. I personally don’t really believe in male-female friendships and think there will be more expectations from one or both sides sooner or later. She knows this. But she says there’s nothing between them; no chemistry or sexual tension.

Now the question is: what should I accept and what boundaries should I set? My mind usually says “there’s nothing between the two, don’t worry” while my feelings race with agony, anger and worry whenever she says she will meet him. So did today, after she told me she will visit his house this weekend. He recently moved and she wants to see his house, alone. Now really I find this not appropriate: spending time with a single guy alone, going on holiday together or staying over for the night are things I really oppose.

The thing is: I don’t want to lose myself in these situations but I do need to set clear boundaries. At the same time I know that not allowing things will only make it more interesting (“why is he protecting me, maybe the guy is interesting after all?”)

I just don’t understand why she would jeopardize our relationship and bring herself in dangerous situations. Is she naive? Not all men are looking for love or sex when inviting a pretty woman over, but I know how guys think and I believe the majority of men always hope for more than just a cup of tea.

What is your view on this? Should I just let her and trust her? Or should I make clear that I think she’s currently on thin ice and putting herself in a dangerous position? Or should I set the boundary before there is worse to come ? Because what’s next; him sitting on my sofa on a Friday night watching a film with my wife?

Thank you so much!

OP posts:
PoseyFlump · 30/08/2022 20:01

Some months ago I did adress me not being comfortable with their friendship and she didn't appreciate this for she feels she's doing nothing wrong.

I think it would have been a good idea to mention this in your Opening Post @Tom961. If you spoke to her 'some months' ago then this issue is not as 'new' as many posters here have assumed and perhaps their advice would have been different.

fghj149 · 30/08/2022 21:53

No, because I forgot to mention them or pansexual folk, so I’m an insane bigot clearly :) Why have you come on a Mumsnet thread to have a go, are you 12 years old? PS I have slept with several women ;) Good night!

Christmasiscominghohoho · 30/08/2022 22:23

I haven’t read all the replies you have received but honestly OP I wouldn’t accept my partner going around a female work colleagues house and out for lunch with them and meeting up.
Id be telling him a short sharp no and if he wants to carry on he can fuck off and be single.
He wouldn't be happy with me doing the same either.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 30/08/2022 22:28

She probably doesn’t want to shag him.

He probably does want to shag her.

thats generally how it goes

drpet49 · 30/08/2022 22:32

“To be fair, if it was a woman writing this post about her handsome husband spending lots of time with his pretty single coworker, including meeting up separately, going to her house & messaging frequently...the replies would all be assuming affair and LTB. But because it's a man posting it must mean he's controlling?”

^This. You won’t get anything from MN OP

OldTinHat · 30/08/2022 22:36

@Tom961 I completely understand why you're feeling uncomfortable about your wife's friendship. All I have to offer is something I was told - feelings aren't facts.

You may feel unsettled or anxious, worried, whatever, and you have every right to feel that way. But your feelings, whatever they are, aren't facts. They're how you feel, not a fact that your wife is or will cheat. Which is probably what you're scared of.

Just keep talking with her, be open, share your fears.

catfunk · 30/08/2022 22:40

For the record op I have a few good male friends and I've managed not to shag any of them 😬

Crikeyalmighty · 30/08/2022 22:58

@AlecTrevelyan006 - ha, ha - as I posted earlier- never met a man making close female friends and persisting with it out of work hours - who he wasn't either 'interested in' or who he shared a great all consuming hobby with!!

AusFrosty · 30/08/2022 23:56

OP - read your update

Of course men and women can be just friends- but it can be problematic- even if your wife has no romantic feelings for the other guy - he might not feel the same.

I guess it depends on how much time effort she puts into the friendship- as an example if she is just popping round to his new house for 1/2 hr to have a look and a cup of tea - absolutely no issue - but if she spends hours of her free time with him that’s when it gets inappropriate. It’s not clear where she is on that spectrum.

its slightly tricky- but you can’t be her jailer- until/if she proves you wrong you have to trust her.

still it wouldn’t hurt to remind her you have misgivings about this relationship…

Palmfrond · 01/09/2022 19:40

@Tom961 Im sorry, but going off of what you’ve written your wife and this other guy are making you look like a proper mug. In different ways and perhaps with different motivations, but a mug is what you look.
Jealousy can be a very destructive emotion but sometimes it’d be better described as your spidey sense telling you that someone is trying to take the piss and it’s time to reassess how you manage your life.
Thats true whether you are a man, woman or beast.
Tbh it sounds like you are young-ish, and, as I said before taking at face value from what you’ve written, I personally would be reassessing my relationship with someone who put me in this kind of position.

Sandra1984 · 01/09/2022 19:50

Tom961 · 28/08/2022 17:20

Thanks all. Haha I do realize that describing her as pretty and nice is a bit shallow. Of course she’s more than that, but why would I describe her whole personality as it’s not relevant. Her beauty is relevant considered her male friend.

Having said that, she is real genuine, direct sweet and has a lot of principles, and she’s honest. So I know she won’t cheat on me. And if she would, she would tell me.

So if you know she’s not going to cheat on you why all the drama? He’s going to show her his new house, fair enough, I don’t see we’re the problem is. Now if she told me “hun I’m going to spend the night watching movies with Al” that’s another story. I’m sure your wife knows better.

Tom961 · 02/09/2022 13:50

@PastMidnight Thanks a lot for standing up and being able to read between the lines and not picking on certain words.

@Palmfrond
thanks. Yes it does seem neither choice is a good one. I decided to let it go for now and see how things develop.

OP posts:
Scorpio8 · 02/09/2022 14:10

@Tom961

Follow your gut feeling because you will know if she starts putting him before you.

Take care

Tom961 · 02/09/2022 15:31

Thanks! Will certainly do

OP posts:
MartiniRosso · 02/09/2022 15:51

Try to ignore the silly comments here.
I have been in your situation and also been the other guy.
Your intuition is 99% likely to be correct - they are either already sexually intimate or are about to be.
They will be fooling themselves that either you haven't noticed or that you don't mind.

If you have set boundaries, then enforce them. It has to be him or you.

Oxygen1 · 01/05/2023 02:38

I feel you brother, As a married man and a dog owner, i have never seen a dog play with a bone that it won’t ultimately chew on.
A SINGLE HETEROSEXUAL MALE WILL NEVER BE BEST FRIENDS WITH ANYONE’s WIFE! Holidays??? Sleepovers?. It could be work related, fun or financial. If you are the minister of defence & finance, question every thing. Both ways, respect must prevail

pfftt · 01/05/2023 08:35

DiscoStusMoonboots · 28/08/2022 16:17

Christ almighty, what have I just read? Respectfully, you're not 'protecting' her - you're oppressing her. Just because she wants a male friend doesn't mean she wants to shag him FGS.

I know right. I'm a man and I have a very attractive female friend whom I like to spend time with.l enjoy being alone with her and we frequently spend time together at my house. I want to stay over and maybe even go on holidays with her. Just the two of us. My wife isn't happy with this. I think my wife is being controlling. 🙄

Addingthingsup · 01/05/2023 11:53

I’ve been married for over 12 years, for the past 3 my wife has made a friend who has culturel connections. Same language, same city. She found forming friendships with other women very easy, but due to either selfishness or the way women are to each other can get very bitchy. So understand why she cut of ties with these friends.

The guy, a Doctor, single supporting his family back home, has befriended my wife. They talk in their native language most of the time, but do make efforts to speak in English in my presence but slip in their native language when they get into conversation. Would not say it’s on purpose, as English is not their first language.

I have for months explained the way I feel, not there friendship is causing insecurities but that I feel that she is not as close and I feel she feels closer to this friend.

My Wife then admitted that her relationship is closer than ours. And as I highlighted her statement, she then said other friends (girls) she is closer to them than me. Almost like she knew what she said and had to cover it with other friends.

She then blamed me for this, saying that I don’t make effort or engage with her. I do try and am trying harder, but it seems some days are really good and when I bring up any issue it’s reflected back on me.

Her Auntie, quite involved in peoples lives, actually told her that this relationship may not go down well her husband and going to the cinema with him (ps I knew this, and was fine with them going as was working). Wanted the wife happy as that time, we pretty much argued, so thought it was a way for her to relax.

I am not sure, what to think. Part of me thinks this friend is gay but won’t admit due to old fashioned culture, family etc

Part of me thinks it’s a genuine friendship but I am feeling like second fiddle. As they become closer, I feel that I am not as close as before and it slowly eroding away.

I am a very strong man, doing financially well, would not say I am ugly, and seem to be better position than this guy. Yet for the first time in my life, feeling sad and jealous over another man.

I like the guy, he’s kind and considerate, acts as an Uncle, brother to wife and to me a friend. (Though not the type I would hang with)

I told my wife it’s the intimacy and friendship between us, that seems lacking. Not this guy.

I also mentioned that I was lonely and so when I was thinking of inviting people for dinner (married couple) she said that they may kick off due to us having alcohol and that the community would look down upon us. This guy I befriended from same community, seemed quite chill, but he divorced his first wife supposedly due to religious reasons, yet his second wife seems opposite and not what I was told. He seemed pretty cool. But wife keeps joking that I only want to befriend him due to his wife. His wife is cool, European- I got on but no bad intentions, just wanted to build up friendships.

For past 10 years, I have been growing our business, and only focused on my family and rarely saw my friends. So as the business is really successful I thought I would make some effort in my friendships. Especially since my wife had these friendships, I thought it would be healthy for me too.

When I mentioned, that she even confirmed their closeness is more than ours, she said very abusive stuff, she kicked me out of the house, rather than get into an escalation, I left and stayed at my office for a few hours. Then she called me quite late to come back, I did and things seem calm.

Next day, I highlighted to her this and she denied it ever happened, I said this was lying, and she then laid out everything in the past that I have done. She does this quite well, I bring up current discontent, and she will dive in to the past and not be accountable.

To add, she is not the type to cheat or sleep around, this I know 100% certain, but I don’t know what to do. I think I am making effort in our relationship, maybe I can try harder. But when your better half, cannot compromise or understand or brush under the carpet your pain, I think it’s unfair and do I need to keep living like this.

Any opinions welcome, I have kept this as anonymous as possible as wife reads this forum.

Leafy3 · 01/05/2023 13:54

@Addingthingsup sounds like your wife is having an emotional affair and you need to start your own thread

Crikeyalmighty · 01/05/2023 14:10

@pfftt Absolutely. It seems us women are fine to have lots of attractive male friends who we socialise with, pop round their houses , text and WhatsApp regularly and the minute we get a whiff that our Husbands or partners are doing this- then we are on mumsnet talking about emotional affairs and red flags etc- and everyone is saying 'trust your gut' etc, etc.

I have to be honest , I think most women are way more capable of having a purely platonic friendship with a wide variety of men- it's not necessarily 'fit Matt' from the gym. They simply tend to be more interested in other peoples lives. I have met very few men who maintain one to one friendships with new women on the scene unless there is something in it for them, be that career reasons or the fact it's good for their ego as they fancy the person and in some cases maybe an old Uni friend . It's rarely Mavis the 63 year old ex next door neighbour.

Men know how other men think- and hence why they get suspicious when they perceive it as 'someone sniffing around you' as my ex husband kindly put it.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong- I think it is just the way friendships differ in the sexes .

I fully admit I am touchy on this as years ago my H (41 at the time) had a close friendship with an attractive 21 year old who did some work for us- I never really thought twice about it at the time , it was only years later when I found out he had a huge crush/limerence situation on this person that I realised I was far too trusting and I felt a right old fool allowing him to be always popping around or texting etc

GarlicGrace · 01/05/2023 14:16

Leafy3 · 01/05/2023 13:54

@Addingthingsup sounds like your wife is having an emotional affair and you need to start your own thread

Seconded.

This is a zombie thread from last year, readers will get your story mixed up with the old one. I'm sorry you're going through this, @Addingthingsup. It's very disconcerting for either sex.

You can just copy & paste your long post into a new thread.

Askil · 01/05/2023 14:20

Totally agree 100% with @Namechanged454 . Your wife is not behaving like someone who is married and her boundaries are very low. She's not putting herself in any dangerous situation however, she is and adult & exactly where she wants to be. The only danger is to your marriage unit. Unfortunately, if she doesn't see anything wrong in all what you've said already, i doubt she will see it if even you have a honest conversation with her.

Askil · 01/05/2023 14:23

Zombie thread! why do people post on dead threads and waste people's times? do they think there's one long running thread that goes on forever and each new poster just adds their bit to it?

Crikeyalmighty · 01/05/2023 14:55

I think sometimes though it's a bit of a never ending subject that crops up over and over again.

Beenaroundtheblocktoomanytimes · 01/05/2023 15:06

Namechanged454 · 28/08/2022 16:15

To be fair, if it was a woman writing this post about her handsome husband spending lots of time with his pretty single coworker, including meeting up separately, going to her house & messaging frequently...the replies would all be assuming affair and LTB. But because it's a man posting it must mean he's controlling? If I was to gain a new friendship with a handsome coworker, go to his house, meet him without my partner, message him...I sure as hell expect my partner to have some worries! Just as I would if it was the opposite way around. It doesn't mean we are controlling, it means you absolutely can be friends with the opposite sex but when you're married there has to be boundaries surely??

This!

Waste of time a man posting on MN, as double standards abound.

I would not tolerate this kind of behaviour from my OH and nor should you. Discuss this further with your wife and explain just how uncomfortable it makes you feel. If she's not receptive to your feelings and prioritises them, then you have your answer.

Why have you not been invited to go to this friend's house with her as the weekend?

What do you do together as a couple?