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Close friend lied again - WWYD?

216 replies

CallMeCleo · 11/06/2021 00:37

I have very few friends so value (and try hard to keep) the ones I have.

Last year a close friend told me a massive lie, for no reason. When I found out and I ended the friendship. Months later she contacted me to apologise, and I took her back because I love her company and had missed her.

We'd only met up twice since our reunion, when, a month before her birthday, I invited her to my house for that day, and she eagerly accepted. I said I'd buy all her favourite foods and we'd spend the day doing all the things she loves. I spent hours searching for a fairly pricey gift and a bespoke card, and had both personalised with her (unusual) name printed on them, some "happy birthday" bunting and balloons, and a cake.

An hour before she was due here she Skyped me to cancel. A group of women she worked with years ago, hundreds of miles away, had just informed her they were already en route to celebrate her birthday with her. They had not told her until the actual day as they "wanted it to be a surprise". The drive would take 3 or 4 hours each way.

Given her history of lying and the unlikeliness of the scenario I was sceptical but on balance reckoned that she would not risk losing me again this time forever by telling me such a massive lie. She's one of those people that is glued to her iPhone 24/7 and she promised to send me photos of the group --- but did not. I messaged her at 5pm reminding her about the photos, but she sent none - and still hasn't. At 6pm I Skyped her. With her was a small boy whom she claimed was the son of one of the "bunch of friends" who were "in another room". I asked her to let me see them on video but she made excuses and rang off.

I became suspicious and searched her FB friends. The boy was in fact the son of a friend of hers who lives very near her, whom she could see literally any day.

The story about the "group of friends" driving hundreds of miles was another big, fat, barefaced lie.

I would have had no problem changing the day she came here. It's her birthday, not mine, so I don't care what day she visits. I have no problem with her spending her birthday with the boy's mum and seeing me another day.

What bothers me most is that again she has looked me in the eye and told me a huge, blatant lie. She is shameless, too: no shiftiness, no mumbling, no avoiding eye contact; she's forthright and emphatic, and gives lots of (made up) detail. There was no reason to invent such a detailed, convolted lie; she could have simply said she was having a bad period, or had gone down with a cold, and was spending her birthday in bed.

Apart from the lying she is a perfect match for me as a friend. We have such a great time together, love the same activities and make each other laugh so much. I'm so gutted to discover that she clearly doesn't fear losing me.

I have not yet told her that I know.

I just don't know what to do.

I've asked someone who knows us both and she said, "Pretend that you don't know she lied, in order to preserve the friendship. Have her round on Saturday, give her a great birthday, and act as though nothing happened." But I find it impossible to be two-faced. To spend all that time with her, at close quarters, and to stay silent about what I know makes me a liar, too. And if I stay friends with her I will literally not believe a single thing she ever tells me.

Should I tell her I know she lied? If so, do I ask for an explanation and an apology, clear the air and carry on being friends? Or do I tell her I know, that she is a filthy lying cow, and that we are no longer friends?

OP posts:
FannyFifer · 11/06/2021 00:39

Block her & never contact her again, I couldn't be arsed with that kind of nonsense.

CallMeCleo · 11/06/2021 00:45

PS just googled and the distance they were supposedly driving to her, with their small children, just for a day trip, is actually 257 miles each way. Google says the driving time is 4hrs 42 minutes.

She really must think I am as thick as a plank to have fallen for such an outrageous lie.

OP posts:
CallMeCleo · 11/06/2021 00:47

@FannyFifer thanks for the first response. That's one vote for binning her, then. Should I post her the present? She has such an unusual name I could not sell it, and ditto pointless giving it to a charity shop.

OP posts:
Whythesadface · 11/06/2021 00:51

Facebook the cake and the balloon and say how yummy the cake was.
What was the gift?
Oh and just bin her. She is not your friend.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/06/2021 00:54

I've asked someone who knows us both and she said, "Pretend that you don't know she lied, in order to preserve the friendship. Have her round on Saturday, give her a great birthday, and act as though nothing happened."

Whoever this twat is I'd be getting rid of them, too. Why on earth would you be friends with a liar? Hard nope. Life is too short for that nonsense.

fallfallfall · 11/06/2021 01:01

You seem very intense and over invested in this friendship.
A bit weird to go to such elaborate prep for a friends birthday…then Skyping and wanting proof…even stalking FB for photos and details.
It doesn’t sound healthy at all, please bin each other.

Nat6999 · 11/06/2021 01:05

Dump her off, I had a friend who told some terrible lies, not only to me. She claimed to have been raped by her partner, being a rape survivor myself I believed her & her partner was arrested & placed on remand. Before this she told me that he had frozen her bank account & she asked to borrow £300 which I lent her, she gave me £150 in cash & a cheque for the other £150, when she repaid me, the cheque bounced & she never paid me the money. I had the police turn up at my house one night, she had accused me of assaulting her daughter in the school playground, there were no witnesses & no CCTV evidence, yet I was supposed to have pushed her 8 year old daughter over & stamped on her in a playground full of parents. I ceased all contact with her, I blanked her if I saw her at school. Two years ago there was a report in the local paper, she had been jailed for 30 months for stealing her son's trust fund that he had been left when his dad died as a small child, she had stolen £48k & blown it in. I often wonder how many more lies she had told & how many more people had been sucked in.

SilentPanic · 11/06/2021 01:06

She shouldn't have lied, but it does sound like a very full on friendship. I wouldn't dream of skyping a friend to check up on whether she was telling me a lie or not. Either way, it sounds unhealthy and I think you should give her up.

5475878237NC · 11/06/2021 03:16

It was very wrong of her to lie.

You have gone to an awful lot of trouble for someone you only had two meet ups with since she apologised for the last lie. But you know her well enough not to trust her, so this just won't stop.

I think she takes your investment in the friendship for granted and it may always be uneven (ie she doesn't respect you/ possibly anyone enough to be honest). I suspect she lies as a matter of course.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/06/2021 03:33

When did the lying start OP?

Oceanbliss · 11/06/2021 03:46

Trust is important. I think you know what to do.

GeorgeandHarold66 · 11/06/2021 03:51

You don't trust her now and her actions sound really bizarre so yes I'd suggest quietly letting the friendship drop now. You do seem quite intense and over invested in it though. Describing her as a "perfect match"
Getting balloons, gifts, favourite foods and activities then Skyping her and demanding "proof"
Could it be that you were becoming a bit overwhelming for her and so she panicked and told this stupid story?

BebesChamber · 11/06/2021 03:52

Harsh but I don't think she sees you as a friend OP.

Time to get rid and invest your time in someone better.

NiceGerbil · 11/06/2021 03:55

Dunno really

I mean if a friend cancelled on me like that I'd think

She doesn't want to do it for whatever reason and has constructed an elaborate excuse

Or

I know she talks a lot of bollocks so whatever

What I wouldn't do is ask for photographic proof and chase her on it etc.

Sounds like her neighbour came round and she was having a good time and so felt like doing that. Maybe her neighbour had some kind of situation she wanted to discuss. I mean who knows.

Under the circs she couldn't have said oh my neighbours popped round blah can we do it next week instead or something could she. You'd have gone mad.

I have friends who talk a lot of shit sometimes. I know that and just let it wash over me, don't give headspace to it. If I like them. Some of it is quite funny.

What I wouldn't do is
'
Should I tell her I know she lied? If so, do I ask for an explanation and an apology, clear the air and carry on being friends? Or do I tell her I know, that she is a filthy lying cow, and that we are no longer friends?'

What do you hope to achieve from that exactly?

If you really enjoy her company then
Keep arrangements casual
Know she's flakey/ spur of the moment
Don't pay too much heed to what she says
And accept that is how it is

If you can't do that then just pull away from her.

The arrangements you made sound really over the top tbh

The photo proof, chasing the photos, Facebook investigation, facetime to see what was going on, searching out who the boy was and where he lives is pretty weird.

In the end what she's like is what she's like. You can accept it, back away, or have an EastEnders style confrontation.

But honestly your behaviour here is very very strange.

MoppaSprings · 11/06/2021 04:12

You can tell her no need to fabricate such a ridiculous situation. Just tell the truth.

You can try and maintain the friendship, but I would take a step back, don’t invest so much of your time and effort in it.

NiceGerbil · 11/06/2021 04:12

I think the friend could guess how OP would react to the truth!

Dontjumptoconclusions · 11/06/2021 04:19

I get it OP, you sound like a lovely friend who wanted to do something nice for her birthday and it sounds like you were suspicious as soon as she started making excuses, so checked Facebook and Skype etc hoping to be wrong... I get it.

I couldn't be friends with someone like her, she just doesn't sound worth it, ans she sounds like she has a bit of a fibbing problem.

It has resulted in an unhealthy relationship where you're checking on her lies.. Let this relationship fizzle out and focus on your more truthful friends.

HarebrightCedarmoon · 11/06/2021 04:37

It all sounds rather unhealthy, possessive and intense and that she is lying to get out of things she really does not want to do. She should be honest but perhaps she is scared to be honest. What would be your reaction if she said she no longer wanted to be friends? Chill out, back the fuck off and leave her alone, and she will probably be relieved. I'm guessing she's just not that into you. Whether she wants to be friends then remains to be seen. Let her do the running and contact, and if she doesn't get in touch then you will have your answer.

PaleGreenAndBrightOrange · 11/06/2021 04:45

@NiceGerbil

Dunno really

I mean if a friend cancelled on me like that I'd think

She doesn't want to do it for whatever reason and has constructed an elaborate excuse

Or

I know she talks a lot of bollocks so whatever

What I wouldn't do is ask for photographic proof and chase her on it etc.

Sounds like her neighbour came round and she was having a good time and so felt like doing that. Maybe her neighbour had some kind of situation she wanted to discuss. I mean who knows.

Under the circs she couldn't have said oh my neighbours popped round blah can we do it next week instead or something could she. You'd have gone mad.

I have friends who talk a lot of shit sometimes. I know that and just let it wash over me, don't give headspace to it. If I like them. Some of it is quite funny.

What I wouldn't do is
'
Should I tell her I know she lied? If so, do I ask for an explanation and an apology, clear the air and carry on being friends? Or do I tell her I know, that she is a filthy lying cow, and that we are no longer friends?'

What do you hope to achieve from that exactly?

If you really enjoy her company then
Keep arrangements casual
Know she's flakey/ spur of the moment
Don't pay too much heed to what she says
And accept that is how it is

If you can't do that then just pull away from her.

The arrangements you made sound really over the top tbh

The photo proof, chasing the photos, Facebook investigation, facetime to see what was going on, searching out who the boy was and where he lives is pretty weird.

In the end what she's like is what she's like. You can accept it, back away, or have an EastEnders style confrontation.

But honestly your behaviour here is very very strange.

I completely agree with this.
bevelino · 11/06/2021 04:49

OP, it is not a healthy friendship and maybe you need to let it fizzle out and build a broader base of friends if you can.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 11/06/2021 04:49

the filthy lying cow one.

seems like a good time to get rid of bad rubbish

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/06/2021 05:22

It’s very difficult to give a balanced view here. You appear very heavily invested in your friends and treat them how you wish and / or think you deserve to be treated… without appreciating that they may not have the same outlook or view.

Perhaps your friend really loves your friendship and can fully engage in it in the way you want when she feels at the top of her game as if not, she finds you claustrophobic. Or maybe she is a user as some on this thread seem to think.

One thing, which cannot be denied it that those, who are emotionally stable and aware of their behaviour are not consummate liars. And then again people, who are emotionally stable also appreciate that their friends may have a different outlook on life to them.

If I were to take a stab at this, you sound very exacting and exhausting and she thinks she cannot live up to your expectations and backs away leaving both of you hurt. Why else would she choose to spend time with someone, who she can see every day? I would think that person gets her and being with her is her safe space.

Both of you are going need to get out of your comfort zones for this friendship to work and find a workable compromise as it all sounds very intense for both of you. If neither of you can change a little then there is no going forward.

Newjobnewstart · 11/06/2021 05:33

You sound hard work and very intense. Step back leave her alone. Not a good look to lie but maybe she felt as if she had no other option.

GelfBride · 11/06/2021 05:42

You sound way too invested OP More like a jealous partner than a friend. She's lying because she doesn't want to hurt your feelings. You would be too much for me by a country mile.

I have a friend who is being a bit like you at the moment. I've been ill lately and she has been ringing three times a week to check on me but it's driving me crazy as I feel obliged to talk to her when I have nothing to say and feel ill. It's adding to my stress as it's never a quick call and she wants to talk in depth about stuff. A text would do. When I know she's going to call, I feel stressed for hours before now. You might be the equivalent of this person. It's coming from love but it's too much. She's not picking up on my hints either and I think she is getting far more out of it than I am so it's for her benefit dressed up as being for mine.

custardbear · 11/06/2021 05:44

Does she lie to everyone or just you? She sounds very strange to make up such crazy lies?