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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
Weenurse · 28/12/2020 03:54

Do you think he has put you in the ‘Madonna’ role as mother of his child and therefore not to be a sexual being?
For his other beliefs, I would leave him, even without the infidelity.
Take a photo of the confession and then sit back quietly and work out what you want to do.

BritInAus · 28/12/2020 04:13

So sorry this is happening to you. Please try and be angry at him, not yourself. X

Mulhollandmagoo · 28/12/2020 04:26

Get yourself to a solicitor asap!! He's had affairs, take a copy of the letter and start the ball rolling. His behaviour sounds really concerning and not something that a 10 year old girl should be subjected to!

Also, you're only 49 so you have lots of juicy sexy years left...don't waste them with this loser Flowers

DulciUke · 28/12/2020 04:33

Agree that you should get a photo of that letter, especially the part about the thefts. Don't know if a lawyer could use that, but it could be some sort of leverage.

1forAll74 · 28/12/2020 04:34

Yes you definitely need to get away on your holiday, and get a calm mind, to deal with what lies ahead of you. I assume that your Husband won't be going with you. I wouldn't know how to deal with this religous mania stuff though, and shocking infidelity to boot. He is living in another world to the one you are in.

It seems that you will have the strength, to deal with all forthcoming things,when you get to grips with what you have to do now though.

Brinn · 28/12/2020 04:36

You've not been an idiot. You went into your marriage in good faith. That's what we all do.

I'm sorry, I don't have any advice, but at least you know now and can stop this situation from dragging on.

readingismycardio · 28/12/2020 04:36

Hi, OP! I didn't want to read and run. You've already been to a solicitor, so not sure what other useful advice I can give you, except to take care of yourself, take pics (if you didn't yet) and try to clear your mind on the holiday so when you come back are rested and ready for the next move.

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 04:45

Your best years are NOT over. My friend left her husband aged 50 and three years later met a man and they've had the best sex life for the past 4 years. They're marrying as soon as possible.

HappyThursdays · 28/12/2020 04:56

Go on holiday with your daughter and leave him behind

I got cleaned out in a divorce but rebuilt my life - you can do it and you're just wiser the next time. Some of that inheritance might be protected - pls check again. I was shot in the foot as I created most of the wealth in the marriage.

Sorry to hear he stole from you too. You must feel awful but please don't blame yourself.

You will be better off without him

nowishtofly · 28/12/2020 04:57

If you will suffer financially if you divorce, is it an option to stay married? You could just live separate lives. You don't need to be divorced to stop living with him etc. If he is religious for real, he won't want to be divorced?

Definitely expose his lies to all around, or if it will work better for you, threaten to expose unless you get your own way in the separation.

mathanxiety · 28/12/2020 05:06

Take a photo of that letter.

You may well be able to set up some sort of trust for your DD that involves the property you inherited.

This has to be a horrible shock Flowers. You have a 'man' on your hands who is clearly very disturbed and not at all worthy of you or your DD.

You have some choices here.
Get the absolute best legal advice on finance that you can afford, be very methodical and thorough in your planning to divorce, and give yourself a massive kick up the arse if you catch yourself feeling sorry for him or anything short of completely ruthless.

Or tell him you found his confession letter and that you want an open marriage. Tell him you will not consent to a divorce. A divorce without consent is only possible after you have been separated for five years iirc. How long has he been living on the farm part time? Could he construe a completely sexless marriage as separation under the same roof? He clearly has some sort of narrative along those lines -
'rejection' on your part has caused his infidelity..

He sounds cunning and incredibly devious. You need to proceed with excellent legal advice.

Do you know what priest he talks to? Maybe go and have a chat...

SleepingStandingUp · 28/12/2020 05:07

If you will suffer financially if you divorce, is it an option to stay married? You could just live separate lives. You don't need to be divorced to stop living with him etc. If he is religious for real, he won't want to be divorced?
This was my thought. Tell him he needs to leave or you will show the letter to his family / church and you won't divorce him. Could he live at the farm full time?

How are finances organised? I'd try and get h off anything shared or else drain it.

Is he coming away with you? Who else will be there?

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 05:08

Thanks, far-away-internet-friends. Your kindness is a real balm. Thanks for taking the time.

Good point about the pics- just got that done before he came back. Heart beating at a million miles an hour!

Sadly, yes, he’s included on the holiday (leaving tomorrow). He’ll be with us part of each week, as usual. Current idea I have is to use him a bit to entertain our DD at the beach, etc. Give me a bit of privacy to plan, scream, process, browse Tinder, etc 😉

I love hearing about women 50+ who are having great sex after leaving dead donkey relationships like mine. I can’t really imagine it for myself. Seems too much to hope. But it would be so nice... I’d prolly be really embarrassing and cry the first few times!

OP posts:
Arrivederla · 28/12/2020 05:13

Don't stay with him. You will absolutely destroy your own self-esteem and your mental health will suffer.

I am not ashamed to say that I would hold that confession over him as a bargaining tool re divorce.

LittleWhiteFeather · 28/12/2020 05:15

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Jeremyironseverything · 28/12/2020 05:16

Yes that letter will be your leverage for a good divorce settlement.

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 05:24

The out-and-out blackmail some of you are suggesting is strangely comforting. Exposing this level of hypocrisy to all and sundry would be a future option. Except for what it’d do to my DD. Better to assess whether I could successfully bluff it?

There are cards I can play- even though he’s handed me a trick deck. Just gotta get the timing right, and know exactly what I’m looking for... before I yell ‘Snap!!’ and slap down what I know.

Unfortunately the solicitor I saw suggested not much to do with the relationship itself counts for anything- just the $$$, and custody. That’s ‘no fault’ divorce for you. You don’t get more assets because they stole or cheated. The courts look at the contributions of each, the length of time married, & best interests of the kid. I’d be lucky to get 60/40 when all the assets were bought by me in my name. And my earning potential is far less than his (pitiful) contribution. Anyway, it’s complicated, as I say. Don’t try and guess, and I can’t be more specific cos my post is already pretty outing!

OP posts:
FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 05:38

LittleWhiteFeather

Confused What's your weird reaction about?

That "I bet you do" sounded loaded...

CodenameVillanelle · 28/12/2020 05:56

60% of what you started with plus your self esteem is better than what you have now.

slipperywhensparticus · 28/12/2020 06:03

My mom got 77% and he was the higher earner all he got was potential 33% of the equity in the family home

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/12/2020 06:07

@CodenameVillanelle

60% of what you started with plus your self esteem is better than what you have now.
I agree with this. You cannot stay with this piece of scum any longer. Time to model good boundaries to your dd. Flowers
lunalulu · 28/12/2020 06:22

@FortunesFave

LittleWhiteFeather

Confused What's your weird reaction about?

That "I bet you do" sounded loaded...

Yes that was creepy 😬

OP - even without what he's done, his behaviour sounds intolerable. Focus on getting your freedom 💐

mathanxiety · 28/12/2020 06:23

Yes, no fault divorce is just about the worst bit of 'progress' ever to happen in the legal realm.

The confessional letter won't be any use in court. Its only potential is on the personal level. There is a fine line between leverage and blackmail however. Be careful that he doesn't have any grounds to accuse you of the latter.

The custody aspect may well be influenced by what he said to your DD about her attire, but this is possibly a he said/she said situation.

I think you may well be able to pursue the stolen money angle. That is something concrete that you could even go to the police with. Can you afford a private investigator with a background in accounting to find out what he stole from you, and to find out what he has stolen from colleagues and his dad? It may well turn out to be small change but it's worth following up.

The PI may be able to uncover much more on the infidelity front too. He is not being truthful even in his 'confession' notes (i.e. his 'rejected by wife' narrative), he is clearly splitting hairs with the 'unmarried' women element of his note, and there may be much more, even gay sex, specific genres of porn, etc. There is much equivocation there and there may well be more going on than he included.

The confession sounds like a sad story designed to elicit the sympathy of some gullible priest, and not necessarily an accurate account of his misdeeds.

RantyAnty · 28/12/2020 06:30

2nd the idea of a PI in this case.

I'd also get a 2nd opinion from another SHL and a very good accountant.

Have fun on your holiday. Chat to some sexy guys :)

NoDontDoIt · 28/12/2020 06:33

@LittleWhiteFeather I agree

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