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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
Allergictoironing · 28/12/2020 17:42

@thelake

Hi yes *@allergictoclothing* I just meant that if her husband is using sex being wrong because he is catholic (which is bollocks) she could tell him that's not true and see what he says.
Ha ha nice typo in my name there, very appropriate when talking about sex! Grin

I was actually responding to MixMatch's post asking whether he may have libido or ED issues, I'm in total agreement with you.

thelake · 28/12/2020 18:00

Sorry! I got a bit confused @Allergictoironing

Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst · 28/12/2020 18:56

Get him sectioned then divorce him and move on he sounds like a total fruitcake

mathanxiety · 28/12/2020 21:33

@thelake, I'm RC too, and the exW of a very messed up man who is also RC.

It's been my experience that men like the OP's H are what I would call Church groupies who like to have what I would call a 'pet priest' on call to whom they spin all sorts of fiction in order to receive attention and solace and the backing of what they consider an authority. I suspect the OP's H is like this, and that any priest he has glommed onto as a confessor may be regaled with a steaming pile of hooey on a regular basis.

A double life that involves a heavily dogmatic/ religious/ hypocritical/ sexual component is way out of the remit of your average priest to identify, understand and deal with.

mathanxiety · 28/12/2020 21:34

You can't 'get him sectioned' OP.

SnowyOwlWan · 28/12/2020 21:46

@mathanxiety I can imagine that knowing ''well the priest sympathizes with my dreadful anguish!!'' is soothing and validating to these types, even though what they told the priest was a staggering work of great fiction.

popsydoodle4444 · 28/12/2020 21:55

Sounds like he needs a psychiatrist not a priest.

Maybe you should suggest he becomes an actual monk;they cannot be married or own any possessions that way you get rid of him and keep all your worldly possessions and assets;failing that just hire a hit man 🤣

In all seriousness though I'd reconsider your legal representation and find an absolute shit hot solicitor who'll help you get the absolute best out of a divorce

SnowyOwlWan · 28/12/2020 21:57

Bit of a tangent, but if there's one red flag for me now it's a local man with an Eastern religion. First red flag I ignored, he was a Buddhist and had a lot of Buddhist books in his room (in a small rented house because he was broke of course). He had been celibate for a while before we got together. But after he slept with me he acted like he'd been unfaithful to himself, like he was grappling with some shameful act and he'd nobody to confess it to, it was like he'd been in a relationship with himself and cheated with me Confused I couldn't unravel it. We unravelled. Then a while later I met a free spirt who was in to Kabbalah and my first gut reaction was here we go again, but - I told myself I was being very insular, so I rolled with it for a while and he was nuts too. In the way that only somebody who tries to be a lazy, selfish player who lives their life according Kabbalah for Dummies

iklboo · 28/12/2020 22:04

Get him sectioned

On what grounds?

EagleFlight · 28/12/2020 22:21

I’m glad you’ve copied the confession. I’d go back to your solicitor and get a second option as well to see what your options are.

Then, when you are ready to tell your husband it’s over, go back to his work bag and get back out his confession. Sit with it clearly on your lap whilst you tell him that you aren’t happy to remain married to him any longer. Explain you’ve already copied the confession and it’s with your solicitor in case anything happens to you. Suggest what your terms are and take it from there. He might not want his reputation ruined so he might just agreed.

Milliepossum · 28/12/2020 22:51

@EagleFlight

I’m glad you’ve copied the confession. I’d go back to your solicitor and get a second option as well to see what your options are.

Then, when you are ready to tell your husband it’s over, go back to his work bag and get back out his confession. Sit with it clearly on your lap whilst you tell him that you aren’t happy to remain married to him any longer. Explain you’ve already copied the confession and it’s with your solicitor in case anything happens to you. Suggest what your terms are and take it from there. He might not want his reputation ruined so he might just agreed.

I think this is good advice.
Cherrysoup · 28/12/2020 23:25

Also, go to the storage locker and change the bloody lock!

MadameMonk · 29/12/2020 06:13

Hiya, if anyone’s still out there interested!

In answer to a few posters: yeah, I know his position on sex for married catholics (his public view, at least) isn’t true to catholic teachings. I spent 13 years in a convent school, I know the doctrine. I’ve spent many long evenings arguing it with him in the past decade. But there’s only so long you can beg. Any more and my self esteem would have been truly flushed. It’s those conversations that are playing back on a loop for me now. Him playing The Monk. Too godly for proper married life.

Well, I guess it’s better than me sitting here obsessing about who those women he had sex with were, how long the affairs went on (before he fed them a line about his devotion to God, no doubt). And the logistics of where and when he managed it. I’m determined not to think those thoughts, but boy, the idea of someone else in my bed (or several someones) is very hard to push away.

I’m finally settled in my holiday cottage, with my lovely daughter all unpacked and out exploring on her bike. He was in a foul mood all through the morning. Barely a word. He finally spat out that ‘all this’ (a longed for post-lockdown holiday I’d organised and paid for) was interrupting his ‘work’. I suggested he didn’t need to force himself to enjoy the beach with us, he could resume his precious private life back at home. So he said ‘fine, see you NYE’, and left! Basically a 4.5hr round trip!

I wondered if maybe I hadn’t put his notepad/confession back in the bag carefully enough and he’d put 2 + 2 together? Probably overthinking it all. He’d always choose being alone over us. Although now of course I’m wondering if he’s racing back to somebody else? Sad

I’m relieved (more than I can say) to not be pasting on a happy face around him for a bit- I’m breathing more lightly for sure. Gives me a chance to start doing research in the hope that a strategy or nugget of info comes to light, that helps get me & DD out of this clusterfuck situation. Some holiday, huh?!

Sadly, the solicitor I went to recently was already the 2nd one, and she’s the epitome of a SHL. Very bloody expensive. I will take the new info to her (god, how humiliating) and see if it changes her advice. I doubt it, but I must try.

I appreciate all the support and suggestions- the shitty thing is that if I’m to ‘keep my powder dry’, I really can’t tell my main real life support people. It’d get out, sure as eggs is eggs. I have told two friends, who I can trust. They are both committed singletons (no partners or kids) and their perspectives of ‘LTB’ is not exactly helping much at the moment. It’s just not that easy, when it means handing him a fortune in property and cash, plus handing him DD half the week. That is not a solution for me right now. It’s his wet dream.

It’s nice to have real life and far-away internet friends cheering for me though. I’ll never underestimate the power of a quick bunch of MN Flowers for someone in crisis ever again!

OP posts:
IamTomHanks · 29/12/2020 07:04

If it's no fault either way, can't you just start your own affair/s. Treat him as the roommate he already is. In 8 years when custody is no longer an issue, then re-look at divorce. But there's no moral obligation for you to remain committed to him anymore. He's thrown that out.

mrsnibblesisahero · 29/12/2020 07:36

This is such a tough situation- I'm sorry you have to endure this.

billybagpuss · 29/12/2020 07:42

The biding your time option is a good one, what age will DD have the choice of where she stays where you are? Are there any ways that you can squirrel money away so it stays out of the marital pot, you may have to write off the farm, or could you put it in trust for DD? I think sadly you might be in this for the long game.

trevthecat · 29/12/2020 08:02

I have no advice but wanted to just offer support.

namechangealerttt · 29/12/2020 08:23

Long lockdown, and not in the UK...if you are anywhere near Melbs, get in touch for a drink. I am nearly a month separated from my husband in a sexless marriage, although without the additional trauma of finding my husband was cheating thankfully, but totally empathise with feeling like an idiot for hanging round so long.

MyOtherProfile · 29/12/2020 08:35

So sorry. What a horrible mess. Nothing to add but I'm thinking of you and your daughter.

Mamagotskills · 29/12/2020 08:42

Well done on being so strong for you and your lovely DD. Enjoy the break before he returns. You’re doing the right thing

happienessiswine · 29/12/2020 10:21

@namechangealerttt I'm in exactly the same position and will be in Melbs in a couple of weeks. If you fancy a drink, I'd race you to the bar!

rainbowstardrops · 29/12/2020 10:23

I'd consider that a blessing that he's buggered off back home!!! Yeah he might have an agenda but so what? You and your DD can have some fun without the fun-sponge spoiling everything!

justilou1 · 29/12/2020 10:28

Honestly, I’d be considering a upping his life insurance and researching a slow-acting poison.

Whydidimarryhim · 29/12/2020 10:47

How does this so called god fearing catholic justify his behaviour to himself.
How will the poor deranged man cope with divorce!! Given it’s a sin to divorce - but hey it’s not your issue.
He is deranged -
Be careful around him and once the mask is dropped|exposed who knows how he will react.
Has he ever been threatening?
I’d go carefully with him - not for his sake but for yours.
Has divorced ever been mentioned previously - how did he react.
You are doing the right thing - the more righteous he gets - the more he has sinned?
💐

oldandtiredandold · 29/12/2020 12:03

Op what type of lawyer is your lawyer? Divorce? Family? Do you need to see a different lawyer for custody issues? Because 50/50 is not usually the starting point, and 50/50 equal rights is not the same as equal time. I'm assuming you're in Australia.

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