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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/12/2020 08:02

I’m glad you photographed the letter. Make copies and keep them safe. Hiring a forensic accountant would probably be useful. Good luck.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/12/2020 08:04

Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me , seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Being exposed to this is far, far more damaging to your nine year old daughter in the long run than her parents divorcing and coparenting civilly IMO.

MsTSwift · 28/12/2020 08:05

Squirrelling money away to your children is terrible advice, not allowed and the courts don’t like it it may well come back and bite you on the bum later.

nimbuscloud · 28/12/2020 08:08

Totally bizarre of him. It’s great in a way that you have handwritten proof so he can’t claim it’s fake.
And I’m not the Covid police but you say that you are packing for a month’s holidays because you are not in a lockdown area but you also say that your 8 year old is really excited to be heading on holiday after 8 months of a hard lockdown?

Nnkk · 28/12/2020 08:12

I think you need counselling.

You’re processing this very oddly and counselling might help.

No one with any sense is going to regale you with their tales of great sex post 50 as that would be a perverts wet dream.

Good luck.

daisychain01 · 28/12/2020 08:16

@nimbuscloud

Totally bizarre of him. It’s great in a way that you have handwritten proof so he can’t claim it’s fake. And I’m not the Covid police but you say that you are packing for a month’s holidays because you are not in a lockdown area but you also say that your 8 year old is really excited to be heading on holiday after 8 months of a hard lockdown?
And hosting his "enormous family" at Christmas ....

Hopefully the OP is under different non-UK rules!

SnowyOwlWan · 28/12/2020 08:24

this monk mindset is a weird delusion! i dated a guy 6 years ago who when we split up, acted like I had marred his monk like celibacy. He made out that he was proud of his abstinence and the sex he chose to have with me was like falling off the wagon and going on a bender. VERY odd.

@MadameMonk good luck digesting this shock. Being single is always easier than being ground down/rejected/abused/taken for granted.

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:30

NnKk the OP has not asked anyone to regale them with stories of sex after 50! What a weird thing for you to say!

Nnkk · 28/12/2020 08:32

I love hearing about women 50+ who are having great sex after leaving dead donkey relationships like mine.

She did.

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:35

NnKK That was in direct response to ME providing her with a story about my friend. OP did NOT ask for that...I just provided it and the OP then wrote that in response.

Read the thread properly.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/12/2020 08:35

I love hearing about women 50+ who are having great sex after leaving dead donkey relationships like mine

This means "I really enjoy hearing those stories as they give me hope", not "cor, post 50 women, tell me all the juicy details of your sexual exploits post-divorce".

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:35

@FortunesFave

Your best years are NOT over. My friend left her husband aged 50 and three years later met a man and they've had the best sex life for the past 4 years. They're marrying as soon as possible.
Here it is
FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:37

If you look at the OPs style of posting, they NEVER tag anyone or directly reference the names of posters whose comments they're replying to. But it's obvious to anyone with basic reading skills.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/12/2020 08:37

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I love hearing about women 50+ who are having great sex after leaving dead donkey relationships like mine

This means "I really enjoy hearing those stories as they give me hope", not "cor, post 50 women, tell me all the juicy details of your sexual exploits post-divorce".

This is exactly how I read it too.
FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:41

Youvegottenminutes Read my post above. That post of the OP's was RESPONDING TO ONE THAT I PUT ABOUT SEX AFTER 50!

SnowyOwlWan · 28/12/2020 08:41

That's how I read it too.

I never post any dilemma I have because no matter how boring it is, I'm accused of making it up. It's par for the course.

And if I'm believed, somebody will say ''is he called DAvid?''. [face palm]

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 08:41

Sorry Lyn I thought you were another having a go at OP! Blush

RickOShay · 28/12/2020 08:46

@MadameMonk
I’m so sorry this has happened to you. You are lovable and desirable, this isn’t about you, it’s about him. Don’t internalise his issues, they are his not yours.
I would pm the posters who know good lawyers. That’s your first port of call. Get good legal advice.
Be kind to yourself, you do not deserve this.

ittakes2 · 28/12/2020 08:48

First of all - never beat yourself up for choices you have made in good faith. It’s his choices that are the problem.
If you are going in for the stealth long term approach ie get your ducks in order etc - if you can afford it - you might want to consider putting the family farm into a trust fund for your daughter. It sounds like you are in the uk - at your ages you could explain to him you want to do this now to avoid inheritance tax.
I suspect her cheated on you when you were recovering after the birth unfortunately and then the guilt then put a barrier between him and you from his side.

soopedup · 28/12/2020 08:49

Hang on. You don’t need a “no fault” divorce. You have proof of fault. Adultery. How does he get to “take you to the cleaners” no he doesn’t. That’s really bad legal advice and you need to see a different solicitor. At MOST it will be 50/50. Why would you assume he’ll get more. He isn’t primary carer and doesn’t live with you half the week. You need 1) a different solicitor 2) file under adultery 3) stay away from tinder or anything that could go against you and keep your nose clean until you’re rid of him

RelivingHell · 28/12/2020 08:50

What an unusual story. You don't have any option but to divorce.

BigSkyLife · 28/12/2020 08:53

@nimbuscloud my guess is that OP is Southern Hemisphere, hence the beach holiday at this time of year.

lilylongjohn · 28/12/2020 08:54

60% of what you started with plus your self esteem is better than what you have now

This with bells on it.

Tbh I'd also use the confession to your advantage, you can either use it directly with him to use as a bargaining chip, or give it to your solicitor. Then it's no longer a 'no fault' divorce

Purplewithred · 28/12/2020 08:55

Get over the money issue. It's the risk we all take when we marry - we pledge to share all we have, and that can end well or it can end badly. (That said I take it you are in the USA and your norms seem a bit different out there).

Your daughter needs to know that his attitudes are not acceptable to a sane woman, and you need to dump him and get your self respect back again. (Also you have plenty of time for some excellent shagging).

Give yourself a little time for anger/revenge fantasies/grief etc but I would definitely counsel telling him it's over before you leap into bed with someone new: anything he could see as infidelity will lead to a lifetime of him telling everyone you betrayed him and you really really don't want that to happen.

DailyCandy · 28/12/2020 08:55

Chilling read. What a fucker he is. Literally.

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