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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
CaMePlaitPas · 28/12/2020 10:38

You are an incredible woman OP, I am reading this thread with my mouth open.

In your position, I would cut my losses and pay whatever I had to to get away from this sick perverted hypocrite.

You and your daughter will be OK, you both deserve so much more.

Wishing you both the best and all the luck in the world Flowers

PixelatedLunchbox · 28/12/2020 11:09

Keep your powder VERY dry while you seek advice and gather evidence. Document everything you find. Do NOT tip him off until you are ready to hit the go button. Have everything in order before you do that.

Make sure you change your phone and computer passwords. Act as normal as possible. Play the slow game. As soon as he is aware of what you are doing, he will kick into action.

Also, you could always start taking out big chunks of cash and develop a bad gambling habit Wink

Milliepossum · 28/12/2020 11:19

I would recommend getting your ducks in a row, starting with sorting out your will and nominated superannuation/ pension beneficiary. If you are in Australia a good family lawyer will also talk you through the fact you may have to pay child support to the loser even under a 50/50 arrangement, worse if he becomes unemployed. I was lucky and my cheating asshole died, my friends though have had horrific divorces and aftermath dealing with these ‘men’ and their families. Take your time OP and don’t confront him because you need a solid plan. Untangling finances and things like farms needs careful planning.

Ithinkim · 28/12/2020 11:21

I would take the confession and hide it. Paper proof is better than a photograph.

Milliepossum · 28/12/2020 11:29

Also, my solicitor noted that family money that is given to a third party by one spouse without the consent of the other spouse is considered theft and the innocent spouse reimbursed in the financial settlement. This applies to money stolen for any reason, including funding buying sex.

billy1966 · 28/12/2020 11:38

@PixelatedLunchbox

Keep your powder VERY dry while you seek advice and gather evidence. Document everything you find. Do NOT tip him off until you are ready to hit the go button. Have everything in order before you do that.

Make sure you change your phone and computer passwords. Act as normal as possible. Play the slow game. As soon as he is aware of what you are doing, he will kick into action.

Also, you could always start taking out big chunks of cash and develop a bad gambling habit Wink

This is the best advice.

You will regret tipping him off.

Getting a super lawyer is the single best thing you can do for yourself and your daughter.

Your husband is scum.
Absolute scum.

Tipping him off will not result in any great change in his character.

He is exactly who he is.

Smile and get a good lawyer and get the best deal possible.

Personally I would definitely be showing that letter to people AFTER everything is finalised.

Stay strong.Flowers

glitterfarts · 28/12/2020 11:43

I think op is in Australia, where divorce is not at all the same as the UK and where abusive men are regularly given 50/50 custody of children.

So I'd get a 2nd opinion from the best lawyer you can afford, plus I'd go speak to his priest from the perspective you are worried, he's completely different, he's stealing, he's cheating, he's refused to have sex with you for a decade, he's refused more children. Get their advice.

He could very easily become a family annihilator so I think you should speak to the police and see about a restraining order for you and your daughter.

Also check with the lawyer what age children are listened to regarding not wishing to see their abusive father.

And I'd also start feeding his ego along the lines if he's so religious and so knowledgeable, he should become a priest

LittleWhiteFeather · 28/12/2020 12:11

Sorry, just returned to thread to see my comment was taken the wrong way. My fault for not making myself clear.

I genuinely meant "I bet you do" because it sounds like the OP is stuck in a sexless, unhappy relationship.

Sorry OP, was not trying to be sarcy. Shouldn't post in the early hours.

Opentooffers · 28/12/2020 12:30

There's a lot of shouldn't haves in your post, but what stands out to me, given how different you are, is that you shouldn't have got together in the first place. I don't get how a relationship came from this at all, let alone marriage and DC.
I'd say he saw you coming, knew you would be the cash cow, but never particularly fancied you. The sooner you get divorced the better, your marriage is under 10 years so far, so that may have an effect on payout. I think you will end up not paying out as much as the first solicitor you asked said, especially if you have majority custody. Can't get why you didn't end this ages ago, you live in separate places half the week? It's madness to keep this going and the longer you insist on sticking in the marriage the more you will end up paying, so get out asap. Collect proof of all you've contributed.

AhNowTed · 28/12/2020 12:32

@billy1966 @PixelatedLunchbox

Sage advice.

ragged · 28/12/2020 12:52

chuck him is my main advice. It's cheap at the price of mere property etc.

About this point

if I divorce, he gets waaaaay too much time alone with DD

This reminds me of things friend says about her divorce, and not in a good way. She keeps getting caught up on points like this. She wants to bundle all the divorce procedure with 17 years of general issues & 5 years of other problems (in your case, the financial harm). In friend's case, I am sure it's a way of not letting go, trying to punish him & of thinking she has control over the future, including her stbXH's future. FGS, let it go. Until recently you thought this guy was an ok dad. Try to let your daughter's relationship with him be as good as it could be & trust them both to work things out ok enough. You don't want it on your conscience that you actively messed up their relationship by blocking his access to see her.

SuperHighway · 28/12/2020 13:09

@ragged

chuck him is my main advice. It's cheap at the price of mere property etc.

About this point

if I divorce, he gets waaaaay too much time alone with DD

This reminds me of things friend says about her divorce, and not in a good way. She keeps getting caught up on points like this. She wants to bundle all the divorce procedure with 17 years of general issues & 5 years of other problems (in your case, the financial harm). In friend's case, I am sure it's a way of not letting go, trying to punish him & of thinking she has control over the future, including her stbXH's future. FGS, let it go. Until recently you thought this guy was an ok dad. Try to let your daughter's relationship with him be as good as it could be & trust them both to work things out ok enough. You don't want it on your conscience that you actively messed up their relationship by blocking his access to see her.

Did you miss the bit where he said a 9 year old girl should dress more modestly than shorts and t-shirt? Imagine the effect of that jaundiced influence when he has her to himself.
MixMatch · 28/12/2020 13:13

Being Catholic doesn't mean you're against sex during marriage and don't want a sex life. In fact, it's the complete opposite Confused

Sounds like he's using it as an excuse for something else. Perhaps he has low libido or erectile dysfunction or another issue and doesn't want the pressure from you to have sex or is embarrassed to discuss it. If his libido has completely dropped off, he may need his testosterone looked at via GP.

OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 28/12/2020 15:36

You’re doing so well OP, and there’s so much good advice on this thread.

Nothing to add except I keep thinking of him as a Monkfish... cold, a little clammy, fairly insipid unless you get a bad one and then horribly poisonous. try picturing a monkfish in a cassock when you feel the need to shove the ham up his arse

TatianaBis · 28/12/2020 15:50

Did you miss the bit where he said a 9 year old girl should dress more modestly than shorts and t-shirt? Imagine the effect of that jaundiced influence when he has her to himself

He will make these comments wherever he is. OP fucking up her life and her DD's by staying with him in the most bizarrely fucked up relationship imaginable is not the answer.

thelake · 28/12/2020 15:52

Hi
I'm catholic and sex not being right isn't a catholic belief at all. Happy to point you to the Vatican's documents on theology of the body. Clearly he has done wrong and there are two issues here- first he has to come to terms with his own sins and discuss this with a priest and then he has to ask for your forgiveness and admit his wrongs. The priest who he confesses to may encourage him to do this.

Lurcherloves · 28/12/2020 15:53

He sounds insane OP. Certainly extremist
You may not do so badly in the divorce and certainly will be worth it if you will be housed and away from him. Not healthy for your DD to grow up with his mad ideas

thelake · 28/12/2020 15:55

Also, could you try discussing what you've seen with him first before going on for divorce. It may resolve things. It may not. Perhaps it's wishful thinking but I would love for this to have a good resolution

Allergictoironing · 28/12/2020 15:56

@MixMatch

Being Catholic doesn't mean you're against sex during marriage and don't want a sex life. In fact, it's the complete opposite Confused

Sounds like he's using it as an excuse for something else. Perhaps he has low libido or erectile dysfunction or another issue and doesn't want the pressure from you to have sex or is embarrassed to discuss it. If his libido has completely dropped off, he may need his testosterone looked at via GP.

But in the OP it says Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’.

So it isn't that he hasn't had any libido for all these years, just not has sex with his wife.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/12/2020 15:57

@thelake

Also, could you try discussing what you've seen with him first before going on for divorce. It may resolve things. It may not. Perhaps it's wishful thinking but I would love for this to have a good resolution
A good resolution would be not living with a man who has repeatedly betrayed her trust, lived as a hypocrite and pushed sexist misogynist beliefs onto his nine year old daughter. A bad resolution would be staying with someone who has behaved that way just because they claim to have a relationship with god.
thelake · 28/12/2020 16:10

Hi yes @allergictoclothing I just meant that if her husband is using sex being wrong because he is catholic (which is bollocks) she could tell him that's not true and see what he says.

diddl · 28/12/2020 16:11

"So it isn't that he hasn't had any libido for all these years, just not has sex with his wife."

If what Op find was true of course.

It sounds like complete bollocks to me.

Not that that helps the situation as a whole, of course.

QueenoftheAir · 28/12/2020 16:15

I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain

Can you go to a solicitor (probably an expensive one!) who cold advise on ring-fencing your properties and inherited wealth?

Please, please don't blame yourself. You married in good faith, unlike your horrible husband (HH), and you've trusted the one person whom you should be able to trust implicitly.

Your HH is the one who should be blaming himself. He is the utterly appalling awful hypocrite.

You could divorce him on grounds of unreasonable behaviour.

I hope you find the support to take him to the cleaners. He sounds like an utter bastard.

Good luck Flowers

FelicityPike · 28/12/2020 16:26

I agree with everyone else.

ragged · 28/12/2020 16:40

OP didn't decide to divorce him due to his opinions about what a 9yr old should wear. She thought that was acceptable enough to still have him in her child's life & be her husband.