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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
madroid · 28/12/2020 09:28

Can you syphon some money off into quietly buying jewellery, art, collectables etc and put them into a safe box in a bank?

Anything that he won't know about but that can resold after divorce and will hold its value?

I agree you need to find a different solicitor that doesn't go along with his chauvinistic narrative and is determined to defend your and your DD's interests.

CherryValanc · 28/12/2020 09:30

Exposing him as a fraud is just another perfectly valid reason to end your marriage. You already had many reason to end it before.

This is not because you are "ugly and unlovable and stupid", dont feel like that. He is disturbed and covered it up well enough for you to believe he wasn't. There's no shame in trusting someone you are married to.

I would think you are better to take the negative hit divorce would cause now. This will mean you can have your life back. Difficult as it will be, you can then move away from that negative experience. It's better than continuing in a life that brings you no happiness.

I think divorce would be better for your daughter. His attitude to women sounds damaging to her future as it will influence how she feels her worth is.

queenofknives · 28/12/2020 09:30

Oh and as he's stolen from colleagues, involving the police might not be such a bad idea. I wouldn't rule it out.

Lolapusht · 28/12/2020 09:33

If he goes to church regularly (and they’re not fanatical), I’d consider going to get some emotional support at such a difficult time. Use his believes against him and to your advantage. Definitely agree with removing your daughter from his influence as it will damage her so much. It isn’t innocuous or harmless. Best of luck Flowers

TheSandgroper · 28/12/2020 09:35

If you are in Perth, I am happy to recommend a really good lawyer. Nothing gets past her.

Notanotherfreak · 28/12/2020 09:35

Don’t look back, don’t blame yourself for anything. Just run forward & ditch this awful relationship.

Ishbam · 28/12/2020 09:36

Can you put your farm into your daughters name in a trust fund

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 09:38

Even before this heart-cracking discovery today, I was appalled at his new attitudes to life. I actually wondered if he’d had some serious cognitive decline (mini strokes? Early dementia?).

But the trouble was (and is) that if I divorce, he gets waaaaay too much time alone with DD. Solicitor says likely 5 days/nights per fortnight. Living 2hrs away (he loves long drives, and would get her to school near me from the farm he’d likely take from me). I just think she’s too young to fend for herself with him, without me telling him to pull his head in or taking her to another room to explain that daddy’s opinions on A, B & C aren’t widely held and can be a worry she doesn’t need to take on.

I just can’t see a way clear at the moment to get us both out of his orbit.

If I leverage what I now know carefully, with SHL help, I’m hoping I can force him into an informal arrangement that will allow DD to refuse to go with him if she’s uncomfortable. And allows me to book her out of school hours full enough that it guides his contact with her. That is, he can accompany her, go for meals, enjoy her company. But not have 10 hours a day of him regaling her with faux-religious claptrap and warped anti-feminist diatribes.

Other than that half-baked thought, I’m still too upset to come up with anything else (better).

OP posts:
Fightingback16 · 28/12/2020 09:40

Definitely go. I was in a marriage for 11 years with basically no sex, different reasons. But then 2 years later I met a man who I had lots with, life was so much better. I had forgotten what it was like to want to touch someone. With the blackmail, keep it as an option. People change in divorce, my divorce is ugly as hell and in the courts, I’m so glad I kept everything as it’s all on the table now. You may not think it and he may not but you don’t know what lies he may tell, divorce can get really nasty.

lyinginthegutterstaringatstars · 28/12/2020 09:42

You need to have it out with him.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/12/2020 09:44

@Fightingback16

Definitely go. I was in a marriage for 11 years with basically no sex, different reasons. But then 2 years later I met a man who I had lots with, life was so much better. I had forgotten what it was like to want to touch someone. With the blackmail, keep it as an option. People change in divorce, my divorce is ugly as hell and in the courts, I’m so glad I kept everything as it’s all on the table now. You may not think it and he may not but you don’t know what lies he may tell, divorce can get really nasty.
While I appreciate this is well intentioned advice, please don't go down the blackmail route. It is a crime and giving someone ammunition to accuse you of threatening them is not going to help your case. Share all the information with a shit hot lawyer of course, so they can use it within the law to your greatest advantage. But blackmail is a crime and one that will negatively affect OP's case.
blisstwins · 28/12/2020 09:47

@SleepingStandingUp

If you will suffer financially if you divorce, is it an option to stay married? You could just live separate lives. You don't need to be divorced to stop living with him etc. If he is religious for real, he won't want to be divorced? This was my thought. Tell him he needs to leave or you will show the letter to his family / church and you won't divorce him. Could he live at the farm full time?

How are finances organised? I'd try and get h off anything shared or else drain it.

Is he coming away with you? Who else will be there?

Yes. You need a brilliant lawyer to run through all scenarios. Be ruthless.

He is disordered, this is no reflection on you. He will always be whatever it is that he is.

You will always be a vibrant woman with integrity.. you will thrive now that you no longer need to dance for this loser and his nonsense.

ElsieMc · 28/12/2020 09:50

Please dont waste your money on a PI op. I think it would be easier to find out information yourself. I had one briefly years ago in a family court matter that related to proving the person concerned had bought a property whilst claiming legal aid. He used one lawyer for family proceedings and legal aid application and another to buy a house. I found out by chance when I saw him come out of a conveyancing firm in a nearby town. It was his reaction. But digging proved I was right and he lost his legal aid.

PI's do not have your gut instinct op. I think a forensic accountant would be better if there are complicated finances at stake although these may cost £££.

Do not waste more of your life with this man. Try not to focus on what you will lose, but the freedom and happiness you will gain.

Purplewithred · 28/12/2020 09:52

I delayed divorcing for many years because I couldn't stand the thought of the kids having to spend time alone with him.

This was a mistake.

You can't change history or genetics - he's her father. You can't change that and can't airbrush him out of her life. If she spends more time with you (which she will) and as he's clearly a nut job ( not like other people/other people's fathers etc) she will come to her own opinion and learn how to handle the relationship. Same as she would if you were all living together.

It's horrible, I know, you have my sympathy but you also have my kick up the arse. Give her some credit, work with what you have, and it's only a few years.

Dovecote · 28/12/2020 09:53

Don't tell him you know. It's tempting but don't do it. You can still ring fence money by putting it into a trust for your DD. Not a peep until everything is signed.

Hoppinggreen · 28/12/2020 09:57

Imagine if he hadn’t written it all down like that and/or you had never found it.
So while the whole situation is unbelievably awful that bit was at least lucky

BeardyButton · 28/12/2020 09:58

OP. You sound amazing. Remember that this man has ground you down, but he has not killed the thing that is you.

I dont have any advice. But I do know that once you get rid of this baggage, you will transform. All the lightness will take over. You wil laugh more. You will love more. And you will feel more.

There is a fantastic future out there waiting for you.

I have seen women make this transition. The men of the relationship wither a bit when it ends, but the women bloom. A second blooming - that isnt meant to catch a man. The second blooming comes from getting rid of a parasite. It is like watching a woman find herself - new hobbies, new friends, new sense of self. And yes even new sex.

Enjoy!!!!!

BestOfABadLot · 28/12/2020 10:02

He sounds like a disgusting human being. I could imagine maintaining a marriage with a nice man I wasn't in love with but I could definitely never bare to share a life, home and bed with this man.

Mummacake · 28/12/2020 10:04

OP this man is emotionally abusive to both you and your daughter. You are correct in wanting to limit any time he has alone with her. This religion rhetoric is so damaging as mentioned by others, but be under no illusions, he will barefaced lie to get what he wants and to protect his 'image'. When they feel threatened is when you are most at risk. He's already rewriting history and may have laid the groundwork on that at work, church and with his family so that he is the victim.
Be on your guard, set up a new bank account & move things out to a safe place bit by bit. Passports, birth certificates, marriage certificate - anything you will need for your new life. Contact women's aid or equivalent to look at safe exit strategies should he rumble that you know the truth.
Courts often find extreme religious behaviour to be worrying in terms of child contact, so document as much as you can from memory, a time line if you will, and update it regularly.
Remember your safety & peace of mind is priceless. Wishing you and your daughter well.

yellowhighheels · 28/12/2020 10:08

OP I wouldn't recommend the exposure/ blackmail suggestion. He sounds very devious and will likely just lie his way out of it and it will create a more acrimonious atmosphere. If he can blame you in confession which is supposed to be honest disclosure in a confidential setting, he will think nothing of lying and trying to implicate you publicly where it is his reputation at stake.

Mulhollandmagoo · 28/12/2020 10:14

Is not divorcing an option? As he is such a strict Catholic divorce wouldn't be good for him, so if you opt for a legal separation or just offer to live separate lives you could bargain with your assets/custody through your solicitor? I wouldn't want to do anything that may look unfavourably on you such as hiding money or blackmail etc. You may we'll take a bit financially, but you'll be happier and safer. I know you've said you're not in the UK but is there an age where you are where your daughter has a say in how much time she spends with her dad? As this maybe helpful when navigating contact, I see why you wouldn't want her to spend much time alone with him and I would relay those concerns, the solicitor who gave you that advice doesn't yet know the full extent of his extreme views, so the amount of unrestricted access maybe less. He may not even want it to be fair

TatianaBis · 28/12/2020 10:15

I’m sorry for what you are going through, but there are two major issues with your plans:

  1. It is completely bonkers to think you will last a month putting up a front on this holiday for your DD. You will not last, maybe not even a week. Your DD’s memory will not be of a nice month’s holiday but the weirdest, most fucked up holiday of her life. Possibly one in which mummy exploded and things were never the same again.

The only thing you can do is show your DH and tell him the relationship is over and he’s not coming on the holiday. If he tries, you can threaten to show the ‘confession’ to his family, friends, his whole church, Donald Trump etc.

  1. It is also completely bonkers to think anything but total separation will work. You are billing staying around him as best for you DD but it’s not, it’s the very worst thing you could do to her. It will model the most fucked up relationship imaginable. She’s 10 so she already has the tools to evaluate the claptrap be comes out with and you can supply the rest. I don’t know what the laws are in your country, but here by the time a child is a teenager their views are taken into account by the court. Here it wouldn’t be that long before she could choose not to see him if she doesn’t want to. The reality is that you’re just not ready emotionally to leave him yet, but you will get there eventually.
formulaquestion · 28/12/2020 10:25

I have never read a post that has made me so angry.

@MadameMonk he is absolute piece of shit, I don't even know what I would do, but I wish you luck and am so sorry you are going through this.

Plussizejumpsuit · 28/12/2020 10:25

Oh love this is awfulFlowers so sorry
It's about him not you.
As pp's have said if leave him for his horrific views regardless of his infedelity. Why would you want you or your children to be around this?

Lsquiggles · 28/12/2020 10:35

What a pig your not-so-d-h is! Get your ducks in a row OP, you deserve so much better than this awful man Flowers he's going to feel like a mighty fool when everything comes out!