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Well well he’s not such a monk after all?

214 replies

MadameMonk · 28/12/2020 03:44

NC for this.

Yep, it’s one of those ‘wife snooped and now sitting in shock’ threads.

The backstory might be a bit different to normal, though. Married 13 years, one DD (9). Him 54, me 49.

It’s been a sexless marriage since we conceived our child, his choice. I tried everything. He knew I had a high libido when we met, that I was an adventurous and fun lover, that it was a big part of my identity and idea of a fulfilling relationship. Loads of counselling later, all he’s said is that he’s more religious now (Catholic) and he doesn’t think it’s ‘right’ to have sex. That, and I’m an atheist (raised Catholic), and that puts him off.

My observations over the years were that he was likely asexual (or very in denial gay?). He didn’t react like other guys I know to sexual stuff on tv, attractive people passing by, etc. No morning erections, found discussion of masturbation distasteful, etc. He basically says he wants to live like a monk Confused

It’s been a devastating sadness for me to be without that normal partner intimacy, not able to model a normal relationship to our girl (no touching at all now for a while). My self-esteem has suffered, but even though it was very tempting to stray I stuck by my vows. It’s been very hard to watch my juiciest, sexiest years slip away. My parents divorced (over infidelity) and I swore I wouldn’t put my girl through it, ever.

Seperate to this, he’s become very conservative in religious and political views over the past 3 years. From quite liberal left, to full-on Trump fan. Pontificates ‘the Woes of immoral modern life’ so much to friends and family on social occasions that they’ve started knocking back invitations if they gauge he’s going to be there. Even the pope isn’t Catholic enough for him- the mass should all be in Latin, etc. Plus some very anti-feminist views that really make me Angry, seemingly coming from some dodgy Men’s Rights youtube rabbit-hole forums (which he denies).

Today I’m packing up the family for a months holiday (not in a lockdown area). Out of my mind busy with 300 lists, and tired from hosting his enormous family over Xmas. I go to put something in his work bag, and a handwritten document catches my eye. I’m not in the least embarrassed to say that I pulled it out for a closer look. It’s a draft ‘confession’, like making notes ahead of going to a church confessional with a priest. It’s listed under the main categories of sin, so def not meant for my eyes or ears.

Apparently he’s got plenty to be sorry for. Including sex with 3 women during our marriage. Except then there’s an addendum, with an asterisk and all, that says ‘+1’. Basically a running tally? Nice. Then another side note that says ‘because of rejection by my wife’. So let’s add ‘lying to a priest’. It also says (as an excuse?) that the women weren’t married. That’s alright then.

Another whole section asking pardon for stealing money from me, his dad (now dead) and his work colleagues. Delightful.

I’m in shock, my whole body is numb. The hypocrisy, and sheer waste of my love and fidelity, is what’s doing circuits in my mind. And needing to hold it together as my DD chatters away next to me about her holiday excitement (after a tough 8 months of hard lockdown in 2020).

I know I need to pretend I don’t know. I’d gone to a solicitor a couple of months ago to see my situation if I divorced him. It wasn’t urgent- I have another property (farm) that he lives in half the week, since the day he told our daughter she wasn’t dressed modestly enough (shorts & tee, at 10? Angry). Solicitors painted a grim picture for me. Basically he’ll be taking me to the cleaners. Inherited wealth on my side, a bit complicated to explain.

I’ve been such an idiot. Should have ring-fenced my money better, should have demanded more transparency over his finances, should have not been a SAHM for the years I was, should have seen it coming, should have recognised his bullshit hypocrisy, should have taken my fun where I could find it instead of being his ‘soft place to land’ while he was out being a pig.

So, I guess I need a bit of that famous MN support, if there’s some going spare? Some tips, some tricks, something to stop me feeling so ugly and unlovable and stupid. Something to keep my chin up while I figure out where to get some ducks, and line them up? Right now all I can think is: pack the damn bags woman, before your feelings break through and you start howling into a pillow. Sad

OP posts:
MadameMonk · 29/12/2020 12:19

I’m told by my SHL that he could expect to get 5 days a fortnight with DD, as a starting point. Not general advice- based on our situation and his likely preferences. She’d hate it, I’d hate it. She loves him, but has been saddened by his growing ‘strangeness’ in what he tells her and tries to convince her of. She worries for him and tries to ‘cheer him up’ but he’s determined that there’s ‘one right way’ to live and that’s that.

The lawyer is very well known and regarded in the field of family breakup/custody/property.

OP posts:
ThisTooShallBe · 29/12/2020 13:35

Is there any scope for your welfare concerns re your dd being taken into account by a court when deciding custody split?

billy1966 · 29/12/2020 13:50

Your husband has been living a double life.
He has admitted as much.

One rule for him and another for you and your daughter.

He is a deeply dishonest man who has adm4to multiple adulterous affairs and to stealing.

I think the letter ought to be a game changer with the lawyer.

I also believe it would be something his priest should know about.

I don't believe you know this man at all.
Make sure that letter copy is in a safe place and also email a copy to a couple of friends.

He sounds like a deeply unstable man mentally and I would be using that letter to ensure my child only spent the time she wanted with him.

How dare he make her feel bad about her clothes when he is leading a double life.

Do you imagine his reputation means anything to him? If it does I would bargin the hell out of it with him.

Flowers
thelake · 29/12/2020 14:19

Phone him and ask him outright- have you slept with other women during our marriage? Tell him you know the truth.

TatianaBis · 29/12/2020 14:20

It’s just not that easy, when it means handing him a fortune in property and cash, plus handing him DD half the week. That is not a solution for me right now. It’s his wet dream.

It's not half the week it's 5/14 days. Given his total dislocation from family life, he's very unlikely to keep to the 5 days, particularly as it will interfere with his life. It will probably boil down to 1 weekend a fortnight in the long run.

Secondly, this is the solution and you need to take some time to get your head around it. Limiting DD's exposure to 5/14 days is better than being around him all the time, and being around your totally dysfunctional relationship, you and he miserable, at each other's throats etc. It's no way to bring up a child.

However much money you have to lose to get rid of him is money well spent.

I understand you're not there yet, but you will get there.

thelake · 29/12/2020 14:21

Or encourage him to become a priest... you get rid and tell him no issue with that providing he leaves you with his assets. He could only get an annulment and agreement from the bishop if you agree to it and he may have to wait till his daughter is 18. It is possible though. They could use the fact that you are not practising catholic as grounds at a tribunal. Call his bluff and see how serious he is.

soopedup · 29/12/2020 14:36

How old is your DD? At some point (age 10/11/12) they get to decide and you can’t make them go. If your DD decides she doesn’t want to visit him then you let him take it back to court and she can say why to a judge. You don’t put obstacles in the way but if she’s that kind of age and vocal and can write letters to the court saying why...he won’t be able to dictate what she does forever

soopedup · 29/12/2020 14:38

If it was me and based on your info about his character, I’d divorce him and let him take me to court over custody. He’s not going to appear “normal” in front of a judge is he

thelake · 29/12/2020 14:40

Soopedup is there a chance that a judge could consider favourable or equallly on the grounds of the DH though if he argues that the OP wouldn't bring his daughter up in the faith... that could cause issues. I feel like waiting is better

Crankley · 29/12/2020 14:57

You're still young enough to find someone else.

I know someone who twelve years ago, when she was 60, divorced her cheating scumbag of a DH. A year or so later she met a man and they now live together and are very happy. If she can do it so can you.

It could be separation rather than divorce is the way to go if you don't want him getting his hands on your money. I hope your SHL can find ways to protect your property.

Good luck.

justilou1 · 29/12/2020 14:57

There is also a good chance that he has been squirrelling money away into hidden accounts or pension funds.

SandyY2K · 29/12/2020 15:59

Thank God there's no risk of him passing you a STD. Small mercies from all this.

I understand you not wanting DD to be with him too long in the event of a split.

Try and surround her with other positive male role models and watch 'normal' documentary style shows that present rational human beings (unlike her dad) then discuss in conversations afterwards with her casually.

I would actually feel relieved to have found this out, knowing I can explore other options without one ounce of guilt.

usedandabusedx1000 · 29/12/2020 16:22

I wish I had some helpful advice for your op! I am absolutely stunned by your situation, how awful. I applaud you for keeping your shit together and being a fantastic mum to your DD.

If it were me (and I don’t know the legalities of this of course) I’d be looking to quietly “sell off” assets to trusted friends or family of that were an option before showing your hand.

BlueThistles · 29/12/2020 16:33

@justilou1

There is also a good chance that he has been squirrelling money away into hidden accounts or pension funds.

I absolutely agree he'll have plundered your money 🌺

cherrycola742 · 29/12/2020 16:36

OP are you sure he would even want 4 days a fortnight your DD? I was worried about custody too, but it turned out that he exDH couldn't handle/didn't want more than 2 days/fortnight.

Raidblunner · 29/12/2020 16:41

If your property and assets are in your name it may be worth considering putting them in to 'trust' for your children. Leaving out your husband as a beneficiary! There is a probationary period a trust has to be in place before it becomes water tight. Personally life is short and in my case it was fuck the money I just want to be happy.

greenspacesoverthere · 29/12/2020 17:01

It may be time, as others have said, to organise your finances, ringfence stuff for your DD in the form of trusts, and employ a PI. I would personally spend some time on this, before announcing what you’ve found in his bag.

This ^

And get @ByeByeMissAmericanPie 's lawyer's details

Jesus Christ it takes a LOT to shock me but I am genuinely shocked @MadameMonk

What an absolute cunt that man is Angry

Take your time and get it right. Screw the bastard - your daughter has a right to know btw. Maybe not yet, but she does have a right to know who he is

QueenoftheAir · 29/12/2020 17:45

If you live where I suspect you live, it's a sexist-as-fuck country.

But ...

A friend of mine there who moved states, left a secure job + good pension, to follow her husband to his shiny bright new job in a pretty redneck area back of Bourke. Her now exH got shirtier & shirtier about her not earning the money she used to (well, there were literally no jobs in the area in her profession). He started to try to restrict her access to family money, complaining that she was not pulling her weight. Well, no mate, she gave up a good job to follow you 1000 km where they don't do what she does.

But he expected her to run the household, raise their child, and look after his DC from a previous marriage.

When she divorced, her SHL started at a 70% split in her favour, citing the increasing financial abuse as well as irretrievable breakdown etc. She got 60%, plus the confirmation from the Family Law court that her exH had behaved badly (although it's a country with a no-fault divorce law).

I feel for you OP - I wasted a year in my late 20s madly in love with a very religious man, who refused to have sex with me until we were married. Although - thank my lucky stars and all the goddesses - he dumped me before we got married. I was devastated at the time, but OMG, it was a lucky escape.

He wasn't RC, but Anglican. Son of a clergyman actually. I suspect he was actually gay, but in a clergy family couldn't admit this.

It made me even more of an atheist than I ever was.

So I know the kind of canting hypocrisy you're dealing with. My ex had compassion for everybody except me. He used his religious belief as a shield, and behid it, he was a weak & hypocritical bastard.

TatianaBis · 29/12/2020 18:16

@cherrycola742

OP are you sure he would even want 4 days a fortnight your DD? I was worried about custody too, but it turned out that he exDH couldn't handle/didn't want more than 2 days/fortnight.
Exactly.

He can’t even be arsed with a family holiday, the chances of him actually doing childcare 5/14 days are slim.

EreLongDoneDoDoesDid · 29/12/2020 18:30

No advice OP but just wanted to cheer you on!

Noshowlomo · 29/12/2020 18:49

Same as @EreLongDoneDoDoesDid just good luck with everything !!

Milliepossum · 29/12/2020 18:57

OP, if your properties are just in your name you can transfer them into a family trust structure where they will not form part of the marital assets for a property settlement. Take your time and protect your and your daughter’s interests. I’m not sure of the process but properties in joint names can be made tenants in common by application to the court, this might be invisible to him. Also, you need a health power of attorney, I got one because I didn’t want that asshole making decisions about where I was put if my health got worse. Good luck OP

greenspacesoverthere · 31/12/2020 08:46

How are you @MadameMonk ?

MadameMonk · 31/12/2020 14:42

Gulp. NYE for this crazy year was meant to be more optimistic than this, I think. Feels like I’m heading into the yawning mouth of a dragon in 2021. Hosting friends here tonight, had such a pang watching them parent together, and snuggle. After everyone went to bed I sat alone with a wine and looked up at the full moon and wanted to howl. The emotions are still fairly numb, but having him back here makes me want to cry. No tears actually come.

I was clearing up the dinner dishes and he planted himself smack bang in the kitchen, like meditating but in the way. Not talking but just ‘there’. More of this ‘deep inner religious’ shite, I assume. But also provoking me to a reaction? Well that’s not happening. I don’t have near enough ducks lined up.

He carried on again today with our friends about morality, boring them to Hades no doubt (but they are very polite and nice). It’s soooo hard not to call him on his hypocrisy. I just keep thinking ‘if only they knew’.

Lord knows how I’ll keep this up long enough to formulate a strategy. But I know I must.
Thanks for asking how I’m going, it is very comforting.

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QueenoftheAir · 31/12/2020 15:43

It’s soooo hard not to call him on his hypocrisy. I just keep thinking ‘if only they knew’.

When you are ready to do so, then I hope you will tell friends and family without one skerrick of shame. Too often, wives in this situation feel shame, even when it's the husbands who have broken serious religious vows.

I look forward to hearing about you getting your properties into a trust for your DC, and then divorcing the bastard.

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