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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
darkparadise · 27/08/2020 10:28

It's your house, you can smash as many glasses as you want to. He's just using that as an excuse to mooch around there and make you feel bad.

He sounds like a total user and you'd be much better going it alone.

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 10:35

If a person is in their property and smashes things up in a high emotional state, that could be alarming for their boyfriend/girlfriend in another room.

When this happens, the boyfriend/girlfriend should leave the property and stay elsewhere for the night.

If he had come onto MN we would have told him to go sleep on his friend's couch.

The owner leaving is bonkers.

It suggests he is a selfish manipulative dickhead. But you knew that already.

Get rid with minimum chat about why, no talk of the past etc, just leave my house now it is over. It isn't a negotiation or a trial. His sadness isn't your problem. You are not a support puppy. Just tell him to leave today.

Howallergic · 27/08/2020 10:40

It's the fact that the owner felt bad enough to leave her own house which suggests to me that what she has done is more than what she has admitted to here. It doesn't bother me. Believe me, I've more to worry about. Seriously. But I don't think that advising this woman to have a child on her own with a donor is quite the correct advice to be giving.

Takethebullbth · 27/08/2020 10:43

@exPR Spot on.

NoGinNotComingIn · 27/08/2020 10:44

It's your house, you can smash as many glasses as you want to.

I wonder if it was the man who owned the house in this situation whether you would say “he can smash as many glasses as he likes as he owns the house”. I highly doubt it. He’d be labelled abusive and volatile and you’d all be questioning her safety, advising her to get out in case he throws one at her. It’s ok though as it was the woman, she can smash what she likes, she isn’t any of those things, just a home owner that likes to smash things.

The glass smashing shows you lost control and isn’t great whether you are male, female own the house or not. Op does need to kick him out of the house, I’ve already said that, but I also think you need to get that temper looked at. If my husband smashed things during an argument even if I wasn’t in the room it would raise some serious questions over his hot temper, I wouldn’t put up with it and he wouldn’t put up with me smashing things either, no matter what the argument was over.

cuparfull · 27/08/2020 10:44

@SnowWhite1985

Thanks *@rvby* - this is the thing though. He REALLY doesn't want out of the relationship. Whenever we've fought in the past he's acted (and even said on a couple of occasions) that his life isn't worth living without me. I know that's super unhealthy but I don't think he wants to break up. He doesn't show that day to day though - he massively takes me for granted.
Wow, he's a user, he only wants your relationship on his terms. Your house and he's asking you to leave, wtf???

Get back in asap and establish boundaries before he changes the locks and squats. He's not going to be there for you. End it now.

fuandylp · 27/08/2020 10:45

OP threw a glass in frustration when washing dishes. DP was upstairs nowhere near - therefore he is not justified in calling her violent and abusive for this one incident. If there have been other incidents like this which the OP has not told us about then that's a different story.
But this one incident? No. She was completely frustrated about being strung along for what seems like a long time.

As for some posters attacking her and saying she's obsessed with wanting a baby - I feel that is unfair too. OP wants a baby. After DP and OP reconciled he said it was his dream to have a baby with her too. Therefore they started to conceive. OP researched how to have the best chance of conceiving which plenty of women do. She also went for tests. DP wasn't interested in getting himself tested.
Then when he started making excuses during her fertile window it became clear that he didn't actually want a baby at all.

He claimed to want a baby so they started ttc. Then he didn't want a baby. The OP wants a baby that does not make her "obsessed".
She's been strung along and that's completely out of order.

growinggreyer · 27/08/2020 10:45

Do you think the baby will arrive tomorrow, Howallergic? There will be plenty of time for the OP to get her head right, make plans and have a baby. Stop being so silly and stop derailing her thread.

peanutsandpinenuts · 27/08/2020 10:47

Just a thought but if you've done all the tests and with the exception of a slightly low AMH you are okay, the reason you've not conceived within a year might not be you OP...

This guy sounds like a loser. He's selfishly wasting your time and trying to twist things to say you are the manipulative one. Bet he was over the moon you smashed a glass, gives him a pretext for saying your are the one in the wrong.

Get him out your house OP and plan motherhood on your own!!!

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 10:48
  1. Split up.
  2. Block all communications with him.
  3. Grieve for the years lost.
  4. Get your head straight.
  5. Get on with your life, including having a baby somehow.
Auridon4life · 27/08/2020 10:50

Throw him out of the house you own. How dare he try and throw you out and lie to your face about wanting to have a baby.

Heffalooomia · 27/08/2020 10:52

Get rid of this manipulative loser, he's just clutching at you for an easylife

Zaphodsotherhead · 27/08/2020 10:55

I shouted at the garden rake yesterday for being an utter bastard after it fell on my head. My next door neighbour was in their garden and has yet to accuse me of being unstable, abusive or having anger management issues.

I think occasional displays of frustration and anger are perfectly all right, as long as nobody is around. Otherwise we are all going to become tightly-bottled pressure cookers...

exPR · 27/08/2020 10:55

@Howallergic

It's the fact that the owner felt bad enough to leave her own house which suggests to me that what she has done is more than what she has admitted to here. It doesn't bother me. Believe me, I've more to worry about. Seriously. But I don't think that advising this woman to have a child on her own with a donor is quite the correct advice to be giving.
The owner of the house was made to feel guilty about an emotional reaction, in a separate room of the house where no one was at risk or targeted, caused by someone continuously messing with her head, who then told her to leave her own home while distressed.

Who has the power in that situation? Who is benefitting?

You are the last person who should be criticising anyone else’s advice.

You are right though, you do have other things to worry about.

Nanny0gg · 27/08/2020 10:56

@Howallergic

Well I can see when a woman IS in fact abusive and has lost the plot and that happened yesterday when she threw a glass at a wall in a rage. And your collective advice is - ye, get a sperm donor and have a baby. Good work.
I think the wall will get over it.

He wasn't even i the same room ffs. You are allowed to express your rage with/at inanimate objects (in HER own house)

beachysandy81 · 27/08/2020 10:56

Time to move on. He doesn't want children and would be a nightmare if he had to compete against a baby as well. He has lied to you. Having a baby is important to you and he is just wasting your time.

Smashing a glass when you had a genuine reason to be angry is not that big an issue imo. He has been lying to you and wasting your time, no wonder you were angry. It's not a daily occurrence and you didn't throw it at him, no harm done. Ignore the poster that said you needed help with anger!!! It is normal to be angry sometimes!

Eyesofdisarray · 27/08/2020 11:02

It sounds like you've had a rough couple of years, OP.
Very frustrating for you, to put it mildly.
The glass throwing is understandable- probably borne out of the situation you find yourself in. He should be the one leaving your house, not you, the cheeky git.
He's had a lot of your 'best' years OP- don't let him have any more.
You'll be fine on your own; sending good wishes and Flowers

CrunchyCarrot · 27/08/2020 11:04

You're not an abuser, OP. Unfortunately the having kids thing can be a deal breaker. There's no compromise position. Best advice I can give you is to move on from him, he's led you on for far too long as it is.

WhatamessIgotinto · 27/08/2020 11:07

OP, tell him to get the fuck out of your house and never even look his way again. What an absolute wanker.

SheRaTheAllPowerful · 27/08/2020 11:08

He’s a cocklodger, get him out, big hugs and wine for you. You will be sooo much happier without him.

fuandylp · 27/08/2020 11:10

The glass smashing thing is a sign that something needs to change.
I smashed something once when my ex was not in the house due to sheer and utter frustration with his behaviour. It showed me that the relationship was all wrong and that it was not good for me.
I have never been abusive or violent towards anyone before or since - just that poor plate which got smashed.

20mum · 27/08/2020 11:12

Foster. Adopt. The world is overwhelmed with dumped unwanted humans. They are here, now, desperately needing all that brilliant mothering and care you are desperate to give. Or are you? Fostering would be a test. Are you sure you would still adore a child, even if it is born 'imperfect', or has become a physically or mentally disabled 40 year old, not a cute cross between a puppy and a dressup doll. Lots of people spend years longing obsessively for a puppy, then dump it. Get your child from the human dump. If you really are capable of unselfish caring, go into care work, or 'adopt' some isolated elderly.

YukoandHiro · 27/08/2020 11:13

Leave him now. Get out while you still have five years or so of your fertility left.
This happened to a friend of mine but she left it later to split and is now in her mid forties and doesn't have the family she longed for.
He has been honest now that family is not a priority for him. It is for you. That is not a repairable difference. If you stay you will forever resent him. If you stay, even if the relationship improves, you'll always have this period of time in the back of your head - how could someone who truly loved you treat you and your perfectly acceptable desires to have children in this way.
You matter. Your goals matter. Put yourself first.
Even if you never have children, I promise you you'll be much happier than you are now.
Huge hugs xxxx

YukoandHiro · 27/08/2020 11:15

Just seen your second comment that your friends said you were happier and more yourself when apart from him. That tells you all you need to know. Listen to your instincts and your heart xxx

Aminuts23 · 27/08/2020 11:15

@SnowWhite1985 your DP sounds exactly like my ex. After 7 years of heartbreak and him putting off getting his fertility checked out I left. I left it too late and was in my 40s. I won’t have DC now. It’s the biggest regret of my life. Don’t be me. He won’t change. Leave him now, take time to recover then go it alone. Good luck to you

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