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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
modernmystery · 27/08/2020 09:48

Couldn’t *

dontdisturbmenow · 27/08/2020 09:48

You are both being fair from the position you stand on. It's hard to see the person you love prepare to leave you because having a child is a stronger need than sharing your life with them.

It's hard to love someone when they don't want to give you what you want more than anything.

Neither of you are wrong and it comes down to choices. He didn't and doesn't want to leave you but is anxious about having a child he doesn't bond with and seeing you giving everything to the child and pushing him away once you get it. Hence the up and down.

You need to make a decision blindly. Leave the person you love and hope you do fall pregnant with someone else or donor sperm but having to accept that this might never happen and you lost someone who lived you deeply.

Its atypical case for both of you of 'if it you could see in the future and base your decision on what you see'.

I hope that whichever you end up making, you go with what leaves you with no regrets, so whatever happens, look into the future and don't focus on what it could have been.

LEELULUMPKIN · 27/08/2020 09:51

Dump him and use a donor.

OhCaptain · 27/08/2020 09:53

Get him the fuck out of your house for a start!

baileys6904 · 27/08/2020 09:55

I would love a social experiment to see the advice that would be given if the genders were reversed....
OP, the relationship is long dead. Its turning you both into the worst versions of you, so spljt up and keep to it. There are other options as far as kids are concerned but I would also suggest counselling for yourself

Hellbentwellwent · 27/08/2020 09:55

Sod off howallergic it’s quite clear the op is NOT IN THE LEAST abusive. Her partner has been gaslighting her for the last year of her life with false promises and has now decided to gaslight her by painting her as the abuser because he can’t continue to string her along any more. He’s the fucking abusive one in the relationship.

OP this relationship is a dead end, end it now and get in with the life you want. Go home, tell HIM to leave (I can’t fucking believe he told you to leave your own house) change the locks and take some time to have some fun and reevaluate everything

Howallergic · 27/08/2020 09:57

Sod off howallergic it’s quite clear the op is NOT IN THE LEAST abusive

Telling me to sod off isn't in the least abusive either in your book I'm sure.

Hellbentwellwent · 27/08/2020 09:58

Nope

fuandylp · 27/08/2020 10:00

He REALLY doesn't want out of the relationship. Whenever we've fought in the past he's acted (and even said on a couple of occasions) that his life isn't worth living without me. I know that's super unhealthy but I don't think he wants to break up. He doesn't show that day to day though - he massively takes me for granted.

It doesn't matter whether he wants to stay in the relationship or not. Unfortunately you two are not compatible because one of you wants children and the other does. He's been stringing you along and that is unfair of him. He has now clearly said he does not want to have children now. You do have a time limit on your fertility therefore you need to break up with him and give yourself the chance to meet someone who wants the same things as you or conceive using a donor.
Get back home and get him out of your house.

RodeoDive · 27/08/2020 10:00

Honestly, I think the smashed glass is a red herring. No, it's not great behaviour, yes it can be intimidating, but it has nothing to do with the choice at hand to leave or stay. You don't have to stay with him because you lost your temper and 'owe' him.

If you were an 'abuser' as he says then you'd be doing him a favour by leaving, surely? (Which, happily, is also what very much seems to be the right thing for you).

Queenoftheashes · 27/08/2020 10:03

@Howallergic

Sod off howallergic it’s quite clear the op is NOT IN THE LEAST abusive

Telling me to sod off isn't in the least abusive either in your book I'm sure.

You’re accusing posters of abusing you by telling you to take your unhelpful opinions elsewhere?

You’re clearly touched.

exPR · 27/08/2020 10:04

@SnowWhite1985 this man is a piece of shit, OP.

He is the manipulative, abusive, selfish one. He has messed with your head, lied and gaslit you because he wants you to give up everything to fit in with him and give you nothing in return.

The fact that you were happier without him tells you that this relationship is not good for you.

He will do and say everything to win you round once he knows the cushy days are over but don’t believe it. He’s not worth sacrificing a minute more of your plans. Flowers

QuentinWinters · 27/08/2020 10:05

I would love a social experiment to see the advice that would be given if the genders were reversed....
I think it unlikely the situation would be reversed because a woman in her late thirties knows she has limited time left for children so would either be getting on with it or be clear it was no children ever. She wouldn't be able to string a man along like this.
However if a male poster said he'd broken up with a female partner over a deal breaker (let's say moving back to his home town), she'd agreed, started looking at houses and then reneged, said it wasn't happening and not been bothered he was upset, so he'd got angry (away from her) felt really bad an left his house, I think the advice would be "break up with her, you aren't compatible and she needs to move out because its your house).

exPR · 27/08/2020 10:10

@Howallergic

Posters, be careful what you're advising here. You're advising an obsessed woman, who has enough of a temper to throw a glass at a wall, has done enough for her partner to call her abusive, has felt guilty enough to move out of her own house - to go on, just have a baby!
The men will be along with your prize doormat soon for managing to twist yet another story of an abusive, manipulative, selfish man driving a woman to the end of her tether into a story about a man being a victim of a crazy woman.

You are the reason so many abusive men get away with it for so long. You are the reason some women still til they are killed.

The only thing this man is at risk of is having to find another women to sponge off and head fuck.

And before you try to call me abusive - no, I am not. But I can spot and abuser and an excuser a mile off and you’re shining like a beacon.

tornadoalley · 27/08/2020 10:16
  1. Tell him to leave your house immediately.
  2. Tell him the relationship is over
3 tell yourself he is a manipulative lying piece of shit.(because he is)

He’s done a good number in you op. Living in your home, stringing you along, lying to you, and now manipulating you into thinking you are abusive when he is being emotionally abusive.

Howallergic · 27/08/2020 10:17

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Rebelwithallthecause · 27/08/2020 10:18

@Howallergic

Well I can see when a woman IS in fact abusive and has lost the plot and that happened yesterday when she threw a glass at a wall in a rage. And your collective advice is - ye, get a sperm donor and have a baby. Good work.
Pardon me?

A woman is abusive for throwing something in frustration after being strung along for years?

Someone’s lost the plot and it’s not Op

Longwhiskers14 · 27/08/2020 10:19

You’re clearly touched.

Fuck me, have attitudes to mental health progressed backwards to the 1970s on MN?? What a vile comment to aim at anyone.

BottomOfMyPencilCase · 27/08/2020 10:20

Can we please ignore the gf and focus on supporting the OP? Flowers

Couchbettato · 27/08/2020 10:20

You're a manipulative bitch? No. He's a manipulative bitch.

QuentinWinters · 27/08/2020 10:20

Ignore the derail. It's not helpful to op and we can all see what they are

Rebelwithallthecause · 27/08/2020 10:21

Is howalergic possibly the OP’s DP?

Can’t see any reason for someone to have such strong opposite view when there’s no evidence that calls for it

Howallergic · 27/08/2020 10:23

I didn't call her abusive, her boyfriend did. Given that we only have her versions of events, where she does admit to lets call it a wee bit of throwing a tantrum, then I'm inclined to be with the BF. Especially given the obsession with having a baby that she clearly has.

Zaphodsotherhead · 27/08/2020 10:23

I am struggling to see how throwing a glass in anger at a wall when the other person wasn't even in the room can be seen as abusive? What if he'd been out of the house? Would it still be abusive? How close does he have to be to the thrown glass for it to count as 'abuse' rather than a display of exasperation? Next room? Upstairs? End of the garden?

And this He said that any woman who has a baby on their own is selfish as that's putting herself before the child is telling. He's basically calling you selfish for wanting a child with a man who isn't feeling it.

Does he think that women who get pregnant, partner leaves, and then don't abort, are selfish?

This is a man who hasn't thought things through. He's just saying the first thing that comes into his head to try to put you off. He's never going to want a baby with you. Get him out and go it alone or find someone else who wants what you want. Your OP needs to be alone and to grow up.

Brokensunrise · 27/08/2020 10:24

Agree with others. This is never going to work out together. Go home and split up for good and make sure he leaves - it’s your house! Flowers