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Just need to share - no solution

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Witchesandwizards · 11/04/2020 16:32

I met my kiwi husband 13 years ago in London, I am 48, he is 42 and we have two children, 10 and 7. We moved to NZ October 2019 against my wishes, but my husband always wanted to come back.

It was always an understanding that at some point we would move to NZ but this was decided before children, before my parents became frail and it kept getting put off as we built a successful and comfortable life in London with a close network of friends. I hoped that this would mean we didn’t have to move. By the time he decided we should move, I didn’t want to, but my husband held me to a ‘promise’ I had made 12 years earlier, and despite a lot of arguments, we set the wheels in motion and moved 6 months ago.

Immediately I felt homesick and suddenly realised that I had taken my life for granted, but emotionally I still felt in control and we threw ourselves into finding a house. And when we moved into that house, I looked forward to our container arriving and then it was Christmas. I spent 4 months either expecting things to improve or busy with the holidays. I still cried, we still had arguments, but nothing could prepare me for how I felt when the kids went back to school.

At the start of February it hit me like a ton of bricks that I have left most of my family and all my friends, my career, the home we renovated together, the city I love and my country of birth. It dawned that the rest of my life could be unhappy, living in a place I hate and don’t belong. At almost 50, I don’t really have much chance of building a life that is as fulfilling as my old one - I feel bereft and trapped. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like I’m in a coma and someone is trying to turn off my life support and however hard I try to yell, I can’t make them understand that I’m alive. I feel trapped in a nightmare - I have lost all control over my life. It’s a horror movie. I can’t even look back at last year and all the planning and believe I actually came. It’s a blur. I don’t know how I got on the plane.
Everything I do reminds me of an occasion, place or person from home. Hundreds of times a day. Music makes me sad, photos make me sad, social media makes me sad. I’ve always been the sort of person who can compartmentalise my problems, and still get up every day and find something to enjoy, putting a face on through hard times and still functioning well at work and socially. But now I only function for the children and nothing brings me joy. I have deserted my parents when they need me most, I argue and fight with my husband in front of the children, I don’t earn a living and I am horrible to live with.

Consequently, we are having terrible marriage problems - I’m not playing ball and embracing life as he wants me to, and he says I am negative. He is the classic extrovert and I am a natural introvert but with extrovert ‘cover’ when needed - he thinks I should socialise more to get out of my rut, find a job (after a 24 year career in advertising, I can’t get work for logistical/childcare reasons, age and now probably recession), and is pissed off that I don’t want to hang out with his family all the time (I don’t particularly get on with them). In return I have been absolutely vile to live with, lashing out (not physically) because I blame and resent him for my situation. He is now talking about separation but has said I can’t take the children home so I would have to stay here with 50% access, spending half my time alone in a country I never wanted to live in. I don’t know if I love him, I can’t see the wood for the trees.
I know I am depressed, but what good are anti-depressants, I need a time machine.

If you got this far thank you! There is nothing anyone can do to help but writing it down maybe helped. Or maybe not. 3.30am and I'm done x

OP posts:
Witchesandwizards · 10/06/2020 00:17

On one recording he tried to put his hands into my knickers, while I’m sobbing and telling him to get off me. He tells me he could fuck me on the kitchen table.
I’m still sobbing because he’s just told me he only ever loved me because I looked after him and fed him so well and made him go to the gym so he was ‘bigger and badder than ever’.

This is on my birthday, after I have given up my entire life to move here with him.

OP posts:
Witchesandwizards · 10/06/2020 00:18

While our children are sleeping on the same floor, one door and 4 metres away.

OP posts:
Gutterton · 10/06/2020 00:46

Who do you need to prove and justify any of your feelings or his words or his behaviours to - other than yourself?

Why do want or need anyone to validate your feelings? Expecting acknowledgment from the person behaving badly to their bad behaviour is unrealistic and is seriously backfiring.

Know your worth. Disconnect with dignity.

Show yourself some kindness and respect and then radiate that on to your DCs.

Onthemaintrunkline · 10/06/2020 02:36

I’m hoping you can leave soon. Perhaps then you will stop bagging my country, because I for one think it’s a pretty awesome place to live.
I can see it’s all gone to custard for you but New Zealand is not your adversary.

Witchesandwizards · 10/06/2020 03:50

@Onthemaintrunkline
It is an awesome country.
I have had 13 years of amazing holidays here, and I’m envious of people who can still enjoy it, but return to their lives. If I can go back I will happily bring the kids back and hang out on my own while they see DH.
But for living, it’s just not for me. After 30 years of living in big cities, at an age it’s difficult to start a new career, losing 20 years + of friendships, having no support network..... it’s just all too much, and the beauty and beaches can not compensate the sadness and anxiety.

Lots of people feel the same about London and I understand, but I love it and it’s the home I chose.

OP posts:
Onthemaintrunkline · 10/06/2020 04:22

Witchesandwizards, I’m delighted you agree that NZ is an awesome country, but as I see it, where you are living is not the biggest part of your prob. This is one complex issue indeed. I do feel for your children, it’s a no-win situation that’s for sure. Things tho will normalise given time, flights are resuming, flights from here to Japan were announced today. No answer to your problem I know, but try and be patient a solution will become apparent.

Witchesandwizards · 10/06/2020 08:00

It kind of is, because I would have had a better chance of work and it would be logistically easier in say Sydney or New York, both similar relocations. Also more of a buzz and, crucially, DH would not be at home either.

That's good news re flights - we are booked on Korean Air via Seoul, so fingers crossed this route won't be far behind.

OP posts:
Onthemaintrunkline · 10/06/2020 08:41

I didn’t realise you had made bookings, what’s the plan? Are you all going back, on the face of it for a holiday and whilst there you refuse to return here, or are you and the children flying back and leaving H here?
You don’t have to answer, my query’s way too nosey anyway! But whatever’s the plan, nearer to the time your heart will be in your mouth hoping it all pans out! I wish you well.

MaybeDoctor · 10/06/2020 09:09

Well, perhaps your final offer to DH should be Sydney?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/06/2020 10:28

The children have NZ nationality, courtesy of their father. They do not have Australian nationality and neither does the OP. There is a reciprocal arrangement between NZ and Australian nationals, but it wouldn't include the OP - she'd have to do the whole immigration shit again to live in Australia. Pointless.

MaybeDoctor · 10/06/2020 10:30

My mistake, I knew of the reciprocal agreement and thought that it covered these situations.

Nevertouchakoala · 10/06/2020 14:45

To me you both sound abusive and quite nasty. You admit calling him and his mum names and screaming. I know you were goaded but you chose to react that way. He sounds awful and an alcoholic so I can see why you are pushed to your limit but in all honesty to the stranger on the internet it sounds that he gave it a full go in your home and really tired to be happy in life and now you’re not willing to do the same and never really gave it a go as you can’t see past your own happiness. It reads to me it’s all about your happiness and he should just jump on board even though he gave you 13 years away from his family, I do think he’s nasty and abusive I’m not excusing that but I can see fault on both side.

PunishmentSnart · 10/06/2020 22:33

I haven’t read some of the more recent posts, and I’m not up to speed with this kind of things, but at the moment there seems to be a new wave of people coming together with protests and petitions to end the bad and unfairness in the world. You have an amazing PM at the moment - is it worth starting/ asking someone to create a petition to get before government (sorry I’m unsure of it works the same way as the U.K.) re taking kids back? Anonymously, obviously?

Fizzysours · 11/06/2020 06:35

Lol @PunishmentSnart...most people think Boris is utterly incompetent tbh!!!! He has quite amusing hair, oh and he's given us almost world breaking virus deaths (and himself a dose) due to his blustering rich-boy refusal to listen to advisors

Fizzysours · 11/06/2020 06:39

@Nevertouchakoala glad it's not just me who's pretty dismayed by OP's yelling, 'see children, now our life is ruined' approach. Poor kids. She made a decision too. There was no gun to her head. Sounds like there had been years of conflict in the marriage already when she got on the plane. I appreciate it's not a good situation....but there is NO effort to improve it and try for happiness...just an almost racist rejection of New Zealand life. And no I am not a kiwi, nor married toone

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 11/06/2020 09:08

I agree As well. OP has said some pretty bad things about NZ (I’m also not from NZ) I can’t see where Op has made any effort really. It sounds like he made a load of effort in London and he’s angry with you for not doing the same. I can’t really blame him for that.

Side note you recording him and him being vile on the recordings- you’re both as bad as each other you sound controlling and abusive and he sounds like a drunken abusive arsehole. I read the full thread with just an urgh feeling at you both. Separate for the children’s sake- so they don’t have to watch this unhealthy mess unfold.

PunishmentSnart · 11/06/2020 10:02

@Fizzysours I don’t understand your reply - I meant in regards to the law in NZ that you can’t bring kids back to U.K.
OP has said her kids aren’t that settled in NZ. Wasn’t it mentioned her daughter was having a hard time in school?

Fizzysours · 11/06/2020 10:22

@PunishmentSnart I mean, you may find many of us disagree on having a great prime minister. Many of us think otherwise.

NoMoreDickheads · 11/06/2020 10:49

^On one recording he tried to put his hands into my knickers, while I’m sobbing and telling him to get off me. He tells me he could fuck me on the kitchen table.
I’m still sobbing because he’s just told me he only ever loved me because I looked after him and fed him so well and made him go to the gym so he was ‘bigger and badder than ever’.

This is on my birthday, after I have given up my entire life to move here with him.^

OMFG. I don't see how anyone can say OP is in the wrong in feeling how she does about this abusive marriage or whatever.

Fizzysours · 11/06/2020 11:24

Nobody is saying her husband is behaving well. But we are also able to point out that she could hake different choices. It is a legitimate opinion. There are comments that indicate she is point scoring and her children are the most vulnerable here. They are living in a horrible atmosphere created ALSO BY HER. Honestly. If you visited a country 13 times, then moved there, you made a choice. If you had a volatile angry marriage before the trip, arguing on your last day at a 'boozy lunch', why would you be astounded that you keep arguing in NZ??? I think it all sounds very difficult but that she needs to own her choices here. And try to help the kids settle in. Surely she was aware of the legality before emigrating. It's harsh but it is the law she knowingly subjected herself to. Time to stop all the yelling methinks..he inďicates that he wants her to be happy. Is sticking to her position of 'life is unsalvageable over here' fair on her kids? NZ would not be my choice either. So...I would not have gone. Not sure how the legal position on owning a business has changed that so dramatically for OP.

PunishmentSnart · 11/06/2020 12:36

@Fizzysours do you mean Jacinda or Boris? Sorry - I don’t know if you are in NZ or U.K.

Fizzysours · 11/06/2020 12:38

Ahh sorry I meant Boris. Jacinda seems far less clueless!!!

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 11/06/2020 13:00

I think it's obvious @PunishmentSnart is referring to the NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern.

Op, I have been following your thread and wanted to say your H sounds worse with everything you post, although I must admit I also have also wondered why, if you already had a volatile marriage with someone with an alcohol problem, you let yourself be persuaded to fly so far away from the life you loved, sorry I know that is not helpful. I am sympathetic to your plight though and really hope you manage to find a way home with his agreement, of course. At least you can now see clearly how he distorts the truth and blatantly lies and are starting to take steps to help yourself get where you and the children need to be to be happy.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 13/06/2020 11:38

Op won’t be back now people have criticised her...

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 13/06/2020 11:46

@Andwoooshtheyweregone

Op won’t be back now people have criticised her...
Feel good about that, do you? Smug?

Nice to know that even in Relationships, people can be put off their own support threads. Good work there.