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Just need to share - no solution

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Witchesandwizards · 11/04/2020 16:32

I met my kiwi husband 13 years ago in London, I am 48, he is 42 and we have two children, 10 and 7. We moved to NZ October 2019 against my wishes, but my husband always wanted to come back.

It was always an understanding that at some point we would move to NZ but this was decided before children, before my parents became frail and it kept getting put off as we built a successful and comfortable life in London with a close network of friends. I hoped that this would mean we didn’t have to move. By the time he decided we should move, I didn’t want to, but my husband held me to a ‘promise’ I had made 12 years earlier, and despite a lot of arguments, we set the wheels in motion and moved 6 months ago.

Immediately I felt homesick and suddenly realised that I had taken my life for granted, but emotionally I still felt in control and we threw ourselves into finding a house. And when we moved into that house, I looked forward to our container arriving and then it was Christmas. I spent 4 months either expecting things to improve or busy with the holidays. I still cried, we still had arguments, but nothing could prepare me for how I felt when the kids went back to school.

At the start of February it hit me like a ton of bricks that I have left most of my family and all my friends, my career, the home we renovated together, the city I love and my country of birth. It dawned that the rest of my life could be unhappy, living in a place I hate and don’t belong. At almost 50, I don’t really have much chance of building a life that is as fulfilling as my old one - I feel bereft and trapped. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like I’m in a coma and someone is trying to turn off my life support and however hard I try to yell, I can’t make them understand that I’m alive. I feel trapped in a nightmare - I have lost all control over my life. It’s a horror movie. I can’t even look back at last year and all the planning and believe I actually came. It’s a blur. I don’t know how I got on the plane.
Everything I do reminds me of an occasion, place or person from home. Hundreds of times a day. Music makes me sad, photos make me sad, social media makes me sad. I’ve always been the sort of person who can compartmentalise my problems, and still get up every day and find something to enjoy, putting a face on through hard times and still functioning well at work and socially. But now I only function for the children and nothing brings me joy. I have deserted my parents when they need me most, I argue and fight with my husband in front of the children, I don’t earn a living and I am horrible to live with.

Consequently, we are having terrible marriage problems - I’m not playing ball and embracing life as he wants me to, and he says I am negative. He is the classic extrovert and I am a natural introvert but with extrovert ‘cover’ when needed - he thinks I should socialise more to get out of my rut, find a job (after a 24 year career in advertising, I can’t get work for logistical/childcare reasons, age and now probably recession), and is pissed off that I don’t want to hang out with his family all the time (I don’t particularly get on with them). In return I have been absolutely vile to live with, lashing out (not physically) because I blame and resent him for my situation. He is now talking about separation but has said I can’t take the children home so I would have to stay here with 50% access, spending half my time alone in a country I never wanted to live in. I don’t know if I love him, I can’t see the wood for the trees.
I know I am depressed, but what good are anti-depressants, I need a time machine.

If you got this far thank you! There is nothing anyone can do to help but writing it down maybe helped. Or maybe not. 3.30am and I'm done x

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Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 00:07

It was her parents who arranged this with her permission.

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Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 00:08

Just a regular security system, not hidden cameras.

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justilou1 · 12/05/2020 00:33

The whole family actually have a lot invested in keeping everyone unhealthy anyway. It keeps everyone controlled and close and unable to objectively look at their own behaviour. The familial culture of drinking into oblivion isn’t sick to them like it is to pretty much everyone else because that is all they know. Maybe you should set up cameras to record HIS behaviour. His abusive treatment of you could be an eye-opener for HIM and may be something to get his butt back on a plane in the future. (A literal guilt trip if you may. Even if you have to use it to threaten legal action.)

Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 03:47

That's exactly why I started recording arguments on my phone - I did it a few times in London because I wanted to be able to prove what he was like because it was so hard to articulate and he claimed never to remember what he had said.
But he turned that on me and said that the times I recorded I as on my best behaviour. It wasn't true - I never did it at the start of arguments, only at the point when I started to lose it and was unable to control myself.
But the argument a couple of weeks ago was perfect. I was genuinely distraught and it shows. He absolutely floored me by what he said - it was ok to bring me to the other side of the world then tell me he doesn't love me. But it's my fault for not being a good wife.
He said it maybe 25 times in the most awful, sickly way - you can tell he is smirking from the sound of his voice. He videos me in hysterics and says he's going to send it to all his friends. Tries to grope me and I scream for him to get off, to just leave me alone.
However, this is extreme, out of character, even for him.
I am still bewildered that it happened.

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SophieB100 · 12/05/2020 05:59

He's abusive OP.
Do you have any services like Women's Aid where you are? If you do, I'd contact them for advice.
You can't live like this.
My ex did such a good job telling me and every one who listened to him (and many did) that I was a pathetic neurotic mess which he had to suffer and try to support, that I started to think I was to blame for not making him happy. When I got out the other side, people saw the truth, and I got strong and became the authentic me again. And I stopped taking the AD's because funnily enough all my anxiety and depression disappeared along with him.
@Gutterton is absolutely spot on with advice above, get yourself strong mentally and always remember it isn't you - it's him. Classic emotional abuse, gaslighting, etc.

SophieB100 · 12/05/2020 06:03

And also your final comment about the recent behaviour being extreme and out of character for him: Don't assume that was a one off, and that it's out of character. Try and avoid any situation like that again. Be on your guard, because in my experience he will become more unpredictable, especially as you detach more from him. Obviously, I don't know, but again it's just my experience Flowers

justilou1 · 12/05/2020 06:15

A video would be much more effective than a sound recording.

Also if he is in the habit of sharing videos of you without your permission, this is undoubtedly breaching your privacy. I am fairly sure NZ takes this pretty seriously.

Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 09:53

He doesn't video normally.
He's was pissed off because I told him I had spoken to mutual friends at home about what was going on, so he was being spiteful. He doesn't think I should, it's private apparently. He was happy to mouth off to all and sundry that he was being given a business, but apparently I'm not allowed to tell them it's not true.
"That's why I don't tell you anything".
He manages to blame me for his dishonesty.
As a very close friend and massive advocate of his replied to me 'is that not deceitful, or fraud if you got you there under false pretences?'

I do have a voice recording of the whole thing though - him telling me he's videoing me and going to forward it.

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Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 22:06

He makes me so angry so I'm here instead of getting irritated.

The cat that used to live in our house is a frequent visitor and yesterday DCs noticed it had left a stain (probably a bit of diarrhoea -bleuughhh) on the spare bed that DH is sleeping in so I said I would wash it this morning.
I get up and it's already in the wash. All I did was ask if he used Vanish - he didn't - and tell him he should have, and he's like 'sheeeee's back' as if narrating a Marvel book. I've been subdued and quiet for weeks. DS said 'who', thinking he meant the cat and DH replied 'your mother'.
We still say mummy and daddy when referring to each other.

He's trying to wind me up. Not biting. Writing!

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Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 22:14

This is a perfect example of what he would say was 'controlling'
As in he can't do anything right and I'm just being a nag.

But he's seen me use Vanish enough, hell, I bought 10 of the bars from the UK Grin

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Gutterton · 12/05/2020 22:19

He is abusing your son. It’s v serious and is called parental alienation which is taken v seriously by the courts.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_alienation

Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 22:29

Noted, and journaled, thank you.

But I have done it too - when he's been drinking and is pushing their buttons (usually pushing play too far so they get upset, or being a bit too strict) I have told them to ignore him because he's drunk.

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Gutterton · 12/05/2020 22:58

That’s different because that’s factual and you are protecting them physically and emotionally from an adult not in control.

Watch what he is doing and his family if they start doing this covertly or overtly.

Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 23:07

I am being ultra vigilant and will treat Saturday as an intelligence gathering exercise, a job.

God, this is all so tough.
In a way it's even harder now I've seen what he's like.
It's taken the 'fight for my marriage' option away.
Never felt so lonely, in my whole life.

Even the new friends, except for the one I'm closest to, it feels like I have burst into their lives with drama from day one, starting with the homesickness and moving on to marriage problems.
They don't know the 'me' who was fun to be with, a good friend, calm and sensible.

I am tough, and I am more angry than sad at the moment which helps, but I'm also scared of the battle ahead.

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Witchesandwizards · 12/05/2020 23:15

I'm under a lot of pressure to go to the beach house for the weekend once lockdown ends but I am refusing. These are a selection of the things that happened over Christmas:

Night SIL got so drunk she did the splits on the table and fell on me crushing me (I'm 50 kg to her 70kg).

The day the kids got al the recycling out and started working out measures and costs of all the alcohol.

The night DH's friend visited and they stayed up until 4am in the hot tub outside my bedroom window and then knocked on the window demanding towels before going to sleep I the garage on camp beds until the next lunchtime.

SIL and MIL talking outside my room at 2am with SIL sobbing hysterically.

The argument at 9am when my niece shouted at SIL 'you're just drink again mum'.

When we arrived to find my niece and nephew had taken the beds my kids had been using, and when DD tried to use one of the spare beds they told her they were using it to store their cases and that everything has been ruined since we came back, at which point, BIL came in and told my niece to make up her own mind and not believe everything her mother said!

I've got PTSD about that place!!!!!

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Gutterton · 12/05/2020 23:40

That’s a tough one because letting your DCs go there leaves them at risk of negligence by a load of drunk adults. Maybe go to stay sober and record all the antics and watch the power play. Could you cut it short arrive late / leave early - slope off on your own, go to bed early, read a book go on some hikes with the kids to minimise contact.

But be very careful with these weekends and family events - they will be v triggering for you and they will be goading and pushing your buttons - don’t give them the pleasure. Keep your dignity and your powder dry - so don’t put yourself in situations which are v uncomfortable for you.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 13/05/2020 04:45

"when DD tried to use one of the spare beds they told her they were using it to store their cases and that everything has been ruined since we came back"

Really? how rude is that! You don't deprive someone of a bed for fucking cases, and telling your DD that everything is ruined since you and your family came back is fucking disgusting behaviour. Your BIL's comment suggests that that particular SIL has been badmouthing you to at least her own children, if not the entire family - how lovely of her! What joy she must bring to your life there!

God. No, don't stay there. Go to the dinner then come back - that way the cousins can have ALL the beds for their fucking luggage and you and your children can sleep in the quiet and comfort of your own home, untroubled by attitude and drunken noise.

Witchesandwizards · 13/05/2020 05:20

And DN knew at this point that DD was getting bullied by her school ‘friends’ as well.
DN is an absolute little madam and doesn’t waste a chance telling DD that the room our DC slept in at IL’s when we first arrived was her room, that the car DH drives is FIL’s etc. She had a friend up to the beach for a sleepover and told DD ‘Just to let you know, I’m going to play with Jane all day tomorrow’. #meangirls
In the same argument she said DS was fussy and a baby.
Yes, a lot of it comes from SIL though.
Twin DNephew much nicer.

I think that the beach is off.
Kids are back to school on Monday and both of us need to buy school shoes and uniform.

Thanks for letting me vent. X

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 13/05/2020 05:43

Much though I hate shoe shopping myself, I think it would be preferable to spending time with the ILs!

justilou1 · 13/05/2020 08:57

It just gets worse and worse - they are institutionalising the bullying of your kids by BIL's kids because his family is better than your DH's... Wow!

Gutterton · 13/05/2020 09:01

Just keep working on your DCs EQ and emotional literacy.

Teach them to not ignore or tolerate meanness, to be assertive calling it out by expressing calmly how it makes them feel - and to then disconnect from any relationship where their feelings are repeatedly ignored, disrespected and abused.

Teach your DCs that anything bless than kind, polite and respectful behaviour is bullying and is not acceptable. Even if it is covert - eye rolls, sneers, “joking/banter” - they need to see it, feel it and call it out - giving the other an opportunity to correct their behaviour. They need to always be looking out for the emotionally healthy (kind, respectful, polite) people in this world to be friends with and swerving, moving on quickly from the bullying and mean ones.

It’s no surprise that your DN&N are unpleasant and acting out if both of their parents are emotionally unavailable due to alcoholism - their home lives will be toxic and chaotic.

Gutterton · 13/05/2020 09:07

I feel v sad that your DD has experienced bullying at her new school and also by her cousins after having to uproot and leave behind her whole emotional stability from her friendships in the UK - she has no outlet / safe place it seems, she must be feeling as discombobulated as you are. She is at a very vulnerable age and this could decline into anxiety and later depression.

Oliversmumsarmy · 13/05/2020 09:11

He videos me in hysterics and says he's going to send it to all his friends. Tries to grope me and I scream for him to get off, to just leave me alone

Why doesn’t he send it to all your friends

Is it because he knows people will know what an arsehole he really is.

I would be encouraging him to send it