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To have such minimal contact with my parents?

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Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 07:45

There's never been much of a relationship, but the way my mum spoke to me last night has sparked this post. They make me feel like shit; a silly little girl. I'm 41.

A couple of weeks ago, they had dd9 on inset day- well my dad did which is almost unheard of, as mum had plans. Long story short- he bought her a pair of £48 trainers she'd been begging me for as she got soaked in a puddle (standard). He also took her for lunch in a nice restaurant, swimming etc. I was grateful (and impressed!)

That evening when I saw how much the trainers were, I put £50 in their account. Sent my dad a text saying thanks so much for having her, I'm paying you back for the trainers. He didn't reply.

Next time they picked dd up from school she came back with £2 change for me. His way of being passive aggressive and petty. Dd told me he said he wasn't happy with me putting the money in. Still no text though.

Had a rare (always uncomfortable and awkward) phone call with mum last night (almost never speak to dad- he actively showed no interest in me growing up - I was insignificant, not as good as others in the world so why bother trying or having goals when there's so much competition out there, etc etc- a very minor snapshot). Trying hard not to digress incoherently but because there's SO MUCH it's hard to get my point across without the extra detail, otherwise it sounds petty.

So last night- she makes her point as usual that it's a phone call (albeit rare) about dd (in case I get above my station and think she's showing any interest in me). About one of her activities- they insist on paying for most of her extracurricular things, which of course I appreciate.

I commented that i'd seen how expensive each session was and said I'd pay half, to which she replied in her VERY best patronising tone "oh stop going ON about it". I said I'm not going on about it, I've only said it once!- to which she stuttered something, then said "and that money you put back in our account, dad didn't want you to". I said I wasn't doing it to annoy anyone- DD had been begging me for those trainers and maybe she'd done the same to him. Oh she didn't like that- as if he'd be so weak as to give in to a child's demands (she didn't say as much but still).

The rest of the phone call was a standard exercise in trying to get off the phone. Afterwards I felt shit all evening. They'd put me back in my place- silly little girl who shouldn't try to make decisions for herself. Who dared to go against her parent's authority. Who deliberately tried to mess up their control over my daughter.

Because there's so much else, I probably haven't explained this very well and it might sound petty.

My parents are not in the least rich- they're just mortgage free and seem to be able to pay for things without a problem. My dad has been generous over the years and has been known to put 500 in my bank account for example- which has of course helped out endlessly. But theres no relationship. There's a lot of growing up stuff I can't really forgive. Constant - CONSTANT- negativity, put downs, unhidden resentment that he had children at all. Unemotional (apart from anger)- yet we were categorically NOT ALLOWED to show anger. Ever. Saying anything at all after he'd spoken was answering back, being impertinent.

With my daughter it's like he's suddenly found how to be a 'perfect parent' and my mother being the meek little enabler that she is (she's another story in herself) seems to think I should shut up and be grateful. Yes, I'm grateful for the financial help. Just not for the attitude that goes with it.

There's a lifetime of stuff I should probably leave out for fear of no-one reaching the end. I hope I've said enough to get across why I feel like shit over this.

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geekone · 29/10/2019 07:49

Sorry YABU there may be lots of back story but you putting the £50 in their bank is also passive aggressive and you know it. Most pro would just have said thank you, and maybe asked if they wanted a contribution.

My dad would be really upset if he couldn’t treat my DS without me paying him back.

geekone · 29/10/2019 07:50

People not pro Confused

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 07:52

Wow, really? Clearly no, I didn't know it.

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WaningGibbous · 29/10/2019 07:52

Are they deciding which after school clubs your DD goes to? Who is driving this side of things?

FuckyNel · 29/10/2019 07:53

I agree with pp, you must of known it’d start a row.

BatEaredFox · 29/10/2019 07:57

I'm low contact with DM so I totally understand how issues with your upbringing can be complicated and emotional.

But...I just don't get why you're pissed off about the trainers. He tried to do a nice thing and was offended when you transferred the money; you didn't ask him if he wanted it back? That was strange.

I think this in isolation shows YABU but from the sounds of it they weren't the brilliant parents you wanted and you have some resentment there. It may well be justified, but it also might be clouding your view of them now.

AskMeHow · 29/10/2019 07:57

Yes, paying them back was definitely a message OP.

Do you want to have a relationship with them? It sounds like you don't like them very much, they're not great people. In that case why are you so keen for them to have a relationship with your dd? I don't think you can have it both ways tbh, accept money from them and also say they're horrible people.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 07:57

See, I don't understand your thought process here because I would categorically not do something if I thought it would cause a row.

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Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:00

@WaningGibbous they make suggestions, it's not one way

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Summercamping · 29/10/2019 08:01

I think it's nice if you to give the money. But clearly as you have said, there are huge relationship issues here if that's not a conversation that could be had with no offense being taken

I'm not sure how to advise you, other than to say counselling may be the way to go if that is a possibility for you? It seems there is a long history to unravel and a lot of anger that you're carrying. That's never easy.

Lllot5 · 29/10/2019 08:02

Maybe if you’d thanked him for the trainers and said what do I owe you something along those lines not just put the money in his account.
That pay for your daughter’s clubs and things just say thanks.
I understand there’s a back story but in this instance I think yabu

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:02

I have said they're horrible people. I've tried to explain how I've been made to feel growing up.
It would never occur to me that it was a bad thing to pay him back for the trainers.

I did of course say thanks.

Perhaps he could have replied to my text to say no need.

Or maybe I'm just completely unreasonable.

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Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:03

*haven't

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ellendegeneres · 29/10/2019 08:04

See id also have transferred the money- so I don’t see how op has done that to start an argument?

Op low contact is the only way. Which I’ve discovered myself is how to deal with my parents too

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:05

Thanks @Summercamping. You're not wrong. I'm just surprised that people think it was such a bad/passive aggressive thing to put the money in. It simply wasn't.

I always feel like I should insist on paying for everything. It's how I've always been. Maybe because my parents do it 🤷🏻‍♀️

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MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 29/10/2019 08:06

I would feel hurt if I treated a child in my family and their DM transferred the cost of the item back into my account with no discussion. If you had called or texted to say "thank you for the trainer's but that's such a lot of money, do you want me to put some in your account?" then that would have been different. But just transferring the money like that seems such a passive aggressive thing to do. It sends a very clear message "we don't want anything from you" which I think most GP's would find hurtful.

You clearly harbor a great deal of resentment towards your DP's and I'm sure you have perfectly valid reasons for that but on this occasion maybe your Dad just wanted to do something nice for your DD?

AskMeHow · 29/10/2019 08:06

The relationship is difficult to say the least, that comes across very well.

We will agree to disagree on paying them back, I would have just said thank you, or got dd to say thank you and left it there, but I don't have your relationship.

But it does strike me that they look for things to be offended by (the trainers e.g.) and you react to that.

Counselling is a good suggestion.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:07

Thanks @ellendegeneres, it's nice when someone understands 🌻

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Trewser · 29/10/2019 08:07

Yep I would be offended if you put money in my account for the trainers. It is weirdly passive aggressive OP, even if you didn't realise it. Did you not think it was a gift?

Preggosaurus9 · 29/10/2019 08:08

Eh? Sounds like they want to contribute financially to DD but you have a problem with it.

My DF is similar. He will spend or lend money for me at the drop of a hat but never call me or show interest in my life. I've done a lot of emotional work on myself to make peace with it, that's just how he is. He isn't interested in a deep and meaningful relationship and that is no reflection on me, it's purely him and his issues.

My advice to you OP is stop trying to get something from them they are not able to give. I.e. the emotional connection and validation you are looking for. Put walls up in your head and leave it there. You need to decide which side of the wall the money aspect falls on. Is it ok for them to spend money on DD or not? Decide and then consistently enforce the boundary.

Bear in mind DD has her own relationship with them as GP and that relationship is NOT coloured by your past experiences. She percieves them as different people and that's how it should be. Again, up to you if you want to facilitate the relationship or not. As you pointed out, you're the parent not a child anymore.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 08:08

@BatEaredFox- I WASN'T pissed off about the trainers! On the contrary I thought it was nice of him. I just felt bad that they were so expensive.

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Samplesss · 29/10/2019 08:08

They're happy to pay, if they paid for stuff without asking and then demanded it back I'd see the issue. If you dislike them that much is it better to go minimal contact and not use them as childcare?

NonUrinatInVentum · 29/10/2019 08:10

My first reaction was to think that transferring the money back was passive aggressive. He wanted to do something nice for your DD and you have effectively negated the gesture by returning the money. I can see why he'd be put out.

Trewser · 29/10/2019 08:10

I think, and i say this as someone who really does have minimal contact with my dps, you can't have it both ways. Don't take the occasional 500 and don't use them for childcare, or take both and put up with them.

milliefiori · 29/10/2019 08:11

OP, I sympathise massively with your comments that it is so hard to explain because you are reacting to a lifetime of putdowns which impact on their apparently benign behaviour.

No, YANBU to keep minimal contact. Contact with them makes you feel damaged, so stay away. But it would also be helpful to recognise what others are saying - that paying him back for a present and insisting on paying half of DD's extra curricular will wind them up because you are taking away the only power they have. Material goods might be the only way they know how to show love these days, so if you pay them back you are returning their 'love' to them, or halving it. I'm not saying this is rational on their part, it isn't. It's probably not even conscious.

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