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To have such minimal contact with my parents?

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Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 07:45

There's never been much of a relationship, but the way my mum spoke to me last night has sparked this post. They make me feel like shit; a silly little girl. I'm 41.

A couple of weeks ago, they had dd9 on inset day- well my dad did which is almost unheard of, as mum had plans. Long story short- he bought her a pair of £48 trainers she'd been begging me for as she got soaked in a puddle (standard). He also took her for lunch in a nice restaurant, swimming etc. I was grateful (and impressed!)

That evening when I saw how much the trainers were, I put £50 in their account. Sent my dad a text saying thanks so much for having her, I'm paying you back for the trainers. He didn't reply.

Next time they picked dd up from school she came back with £2 change for me. His way of being passive aggressive and petty. Dd told me he said he wasn't happy with me putting the money in. Still no text though.

Had a rare (always uncomfortable and awkward) phone call with mum last night (almost never speak to dad- he actively showed no interest in me growing up - I was insignificant, not as good as others in the world so why bother trying or having goals when there's so much competition out there, etc etc- a very minor snapshot). Trying hard not to digress incoherently but because there's SO MUCH it's hard to get my point across without the extra detail, otherwise it sounds petty.

So last night- she makes her point as usual that it's a phone call (albeit rare) about dd (in case I get above my station and think she's showing any interest in me). About one of her activities- they insist on paying for most of her extracurricular things, which of course I appreciate.

I commented that i'd seen how expensive each session was and said I'd pay half, to which she replied in her VERY best patronising tone "oh stop going ON about it". I said I'm not going on about it, I've only said it once!- to which she stuttered something, then said "and that money you put back in our account, dad didn't want you to". I said I wasn't doing it to annoy anyone- DD had been begging me for those trainers and maybe she'd done the same to him. Oh she didn't like that- as if he'd be so weak as to give in to a child's demands (she didn't say as much but still).

The rest of the phone call was a standard exercise in trying to get off the phone. Afterwards I felt shit all evening. They'd put me back in my place- silly little girl who shouldn't try to make decisions for herself. Who dared to go against her parent's authority. Who deliberately tried to mess up their control over my daughter.

Because there's so much else, I probably haven't explained this very well and it might sound petty.

My parents are not in the least rich- they're just mortgage free and seem to be able to pay for things without a problem. My dad has been generous over the years and has been known to put 500 in my bank account for example- which has of course helped out endlessly. But theres no relationship. There's a lot of growing up stuff I can't really forgive. Constant - CONSTANT- negativity, put downs, unhidden resentment that he had children at all. Unemotional (apart from anger)- yet we were categorically NOT ALLOWED to show anger. Ever. Saying anything at all after he'd spoken was answering back, being impertinent.

With my daughter it's like he's suddenly found how to be a 'perfect parent' and my mother being the meek little enabler that she is (she's another story in herself) seems to think I should shut up and be grateful. Yes, I'm grateful for the financial help. Just not for the attitude that goes with it.

There's a lifetime of stuff I should probably leave out for fear of no-one reaching the end. I hope I've said enough to get across why I feel like shit over this.

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Trewser · 29/10/2019 10:16

I think accusing posters of lacking empathy is not on OP. I think you lash out if you feel threatened and that's why you returned the money.

EileenAlanna · 29/10/2019 10:18

@Euromillsplz Your parents are each products of their own up-bringing & experiences. What were their lives like as children? What were their parents lives like that produced the people they were?

Your DD has had her happy memory taken from her & smashed. Her lovely day out & her new pair of trainers is a tainted memory now that'll be something she will remember as she grows up & it won't be her grandfather she associates with destroying it, it'll be you. We all have key memories from childhood that set the pattern of how we feel about out parents & she'll have hers just as you had yours & your parents had theirs & back as far as you can trace.
The pattern of every nice thing she has with or from her GPs being destroyed by you will either be set in concrete & predictable or you change & break the pattern. Once you realise that what you do impacts on your children & isn't what you intended it to do you start to get insight into how & why you are what you are & that maybe there were times your parents didn't intend their actions to impact on you in the way that they did.

MarshaBradyo · 29/10/2019 10:19

Good post from cupcake

feistymumma · 29/10/2019 10:21

Why did you pay the money back? They didn't ask for it back. Perhaps your dad feels bad about not having a relationship with you and is trying to do better by not making the same mistakes with his granddaughter, what's wrong with that? So because you don't have a relationship with him your daughter shouldn't? You were petty af returning that money and also moaning about them paying for your DDs extracurricular activities.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 10:21

Yes, thanks @cupcaske123. Lots of good advice.

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Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 10:23

@trewser what is your agenda exactly? Perhaps you could explain how I've failed to see the other side of the argument?

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angell84 · 29/10/2019 10:23

I have to say , personally, in my own life, I am always much happier when I am away from my family, having my own life.

It is your life - not your parents- don't waste your life worrying about them. Put yourself first*

  • this is advice that I wish I had given myself 10 years ago
angell84 · 29/10/2019 10:24

We do not HAVE to be around our parents. We do not owe them anything.

Especially if they do not treat us well.

I have learned to put myself first, before my mother, at 35

Believe me, it was hard! But I am so much happier

CJsGoldfish · 29/10/2019 10:25

I DID say thank you. I DID talk about putting the money back in. I was IGNORED. If you think that's rude of me, so be it. Or just read the post properly
OP, I'm pretty sure I read the post properly and you have said that you texted your father to tell him you'd paid the money. Doing that after the fact is not talking about putting the money back in. I'm not sure whether you doing that is you thinking you talked about it? Saying you were ignored when talking about putting it in isn't accurate either. You seem angry that people don't 'get' this even though it's not what you originally said.

I do understand what people are saying about rejecting the treat for his granddaughter. That's not something I would consciously do. Like I said, I've always felt awkward about people.paying for things that I feel I should pay for. Sue me
OP, do you resent that they seem to be making an effort for your dd that you feel they did not make for you? Maybe rejecting the treat is not a conscious act. Do you think they are still horrible people or are they better gps to your dd than they were parents to you? Just trying to understand why you would have them around your dd otherwise?
I just don't understand why you accept their money when you can find nothing nice to say about them.

Have you had counselling OP? Would you consider it, or more if you've been down that path before?

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 10:26

@EileenAlanna that is very dramatic! My daughter merrily returned the change and said grandpa said she can have it for her piggy bank if I let her (which of course I did)?! Not sure what memory has been smashed. We're all capable of interpreting things oddly, clearly 🙄

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EmeraldShamrock · 29/10/2019 10:27

Your parents are each products of their own up-bringing & experiences. What were their lives like as children?
Isn't that the truth.
My DF had an extremely violent alcoholic father. I saw my Dad cry/sob once I was an adult I walked in, he'd lost parents brothers friends by this stage I'd never seen him cry ever. Sad it was horrible.

angell84 · 29/10/2019 10:28

@Euromillsplz I now see my mother once a year, and I live abroad. It is the happiest I have ever been.

Put yourself first!

RavenLG · 29/10/2019 10:29

Op, you're being highly patronising and offensive to those posters who do not agree with you and are trying to put across a different point of view. And you're being VERY defensive when questioned. I sense a theme in this manner of communicating and any time you are made to feel backed into a corner, small, unsure you go into defensive mode. Most people wouldn't feel the need to combat a nice gesture with immediately looking like the better man by paying their parents back. I get that this is a conditioned response but it's clear that you all need to go to counselling to eek out a new way of communication. Because this situation is not working, and the only person that will lose out will be your child.

angell84 · 29/10/2019 10:29

I have also realised that we often expect our parents to be perfect, when we are not perfect. They are human beings like us.

But saying that, when you get away from angry parents, and really and trily have your own life. It is thte best life

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/10/2019 10:30

Your parents were not good parents to you when you were growing up and fundamentally they have not changed since that time. They remain controlling and thus abusive.

They are now controlling you further by using your daughter in the ways they are doing (she being too young to understand that she is being manipulated).

Do read and post on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages. You do not owe these people anything let alone a relationship here because of your own fear, obligation and guilt.

BlingLoving · 29/10/2019 10:31

OP - actually I agree with EileenAlanna. You don't know what your parents said to DD when they handed over the money. And actually, I hadn't clocked that you'd paid more. You transferred the money - so why not just transfer the exact amount? Hand over £50 in notes, sure. But if doing a bank transfer you can do it with the correct amount.

It really was passive aggressive, even if you can't see it.

I think Cupcakes' advice is good - you really need to think about your reactions. It's not that they're not understandable, but they are nonetheless disproportionate.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 10:31

I don't not have anything nice to say about my parents, I just haven't mentioned it here because it wasn't relevant to the post. I made a typo early on, where I said something like 'I have said they're horrible people' and immediately underneath I corrected it with 'haven't . Come people have chosen to ignore this.

Yes I have considered therapy, of course I have and perhaps when I stop paying for everything I'll be able to afford it!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/10/2019 10:36

Abuse however, is NOT about communication or a perceived lack of Raven. Its about power and control and that is what Euromillsplz parents have wanted all along. Such disordered of thinking people really do want absolute over their kids even when they are adults and have their own children too.

It is not your fault Euromills your parents are like this; you did not make them that way. What if anything do you know about their family backgrounds, that often gives clues. Their own families did this to them and these people never sought or even wanted to seek the necessary help for their own selves.

Euromillsplz · 29/10/2019 10:36

But I find it really interesting when people say things like this:

-'Most people wouldn't feel the need to combat a nice gesture with immediately looking like the better man by paying their parents back.'-

That is clearly how YOUR mind works. Not mine. It's ironic how the holier-than-thous on here cannot see that their own mind sets are far from perfect, too.

I've not once been aggressive in my responses. Defensive, yes. Again- would you post something you're troubled by and lie down nicely for those who brashly show a massive lack of understanding and empathy for your situation?

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NC4this123 · 29/10/2019 10:37

Do you feel guilty when they pay for things ? I feel like this when my parents pay for things for my kids and not sure why 🤷‍♀️

SingingLily · 29/10/2019 10:38

Echoing what Jamdhanihash and AttilatheMeerkat have said, OP. Go and have a look at the Stately Homes thread. You and your parents have a long backstory here that posters on there would understand because they also have to navigate complicated family dynamics. Here is the link. Good luck Thanks

But we took you to Stately Homes" October 2019 onwards thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3727835-But-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-October-2019-onwards-thread

isitpossibleto · 29/10/2019 10:38

’actually I agree with EileenAlanna. You don't know what your parents said to DD when they handed over the money. And actually, I hadn't clocked that you'd paid more. You transferred the money - so why not just transfer the exact amount? Hand over £50 in notes, sure. But if doing a bank transfer you can do it with the correct amount.’

And if the GPs did say something to the effect that it spoiled Ds ‘memory’ - who is responsible? The GPS, of course. If they did that is manipulative, and wrong.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/10/2019 10:38

Abusive people can be "nice" sometimes and can often appear plausible to those in the outside world. But their apparent "niceness" always comes as a price.

Mrsmememe · 29/10/2019 10:40

I think money is actually an underlying issue for you.

isitpossibleto · 29/10/2019 10:41

Yup, exactly @AttilaTheMeerkat. Usually they DO appear perfectly nice and reasonable whilst their target appears a bit batty at best. It’s part of the control.