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I'm pregnant by abusive ex.

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Itsacoldnightday · 02/11/2015 11:29

Hey everyone,

I've just joined on Mumsnet.

I was in an intense relationship with DD's dad for 7 years, he was very abusive and wasn't really there for DD. She has special needs.

An incident happend which made me leave DD's dad for good. It has now been two months and I'm now staying with a family friend.

But recently l have been feeling sick. I have now just found out that I'm pregnant Sad.

I was on the pill and took it correctly, I can't understand how this can happen.

But I don't know what to do Sad I feel numb. I've always been the person that couldn't go through with an abortion. But I'm so lost. I don't want to have this baby for selfish reasons ( e.g. DD will have a new brother or sister, we can be just the three of us and do want to have this baby). But apart of me knows what will happen if I go through the pregnancy (eg. Social services being involved again, I wil get depressed, Not giving much attention to DD's special needs).

I know I would feel guilty if I go through an abortion, what happens if I can't ever have kids. I'm now looking at other couples with young kids and I'm envious of them.

My head is all over the place, I'm
Not even making sense.

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Itsacoldnightday · 03/11/2015 18:44

Thanks for replying spanish was your ex abusive too?

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Itsacoldnightday · 03/11/2015 22:08

I just feel so torn. Sad

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Notimefortossers · 03/11/2015 22:22

How far gone are you Itsacoldnightday? You can take the abortion pill up to 9 weeks pregnant and can still have a surgical abortion up to 12 weeks so you probably have time to think and be sure you're doing what's right for you.

I wouldn't dream of de-railing your thread by replying to a certain PP, but I thank AnotherEmma for your support Flowers

Itsacoldnightday · 03/11/2015 22:41

I'm 2- 3 weeks pregnant. Very early. What do you mean by de-railing my thread?

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NameChange30 · 03/11/2015 22:58

Sometimes people get into arguments that derail the thread because they're talking to each other and not the OP.

It's good that you still have lots of time to decide. See how you feel when you've had some counselling.

lavent · 03/11/2015 23:07

Hi OP - thought I'd share my story too.

I found out I was pregnant with my 4th child to my abusive (now) ex and decided I had to leave. I took the other 3 and ran away.
I thought I wanted to terminate and looked into it but as I was further along than I thought I made the decision to keep the baby.
The pregnancy was awful to be honest and I was very depressed from the whole situation.
I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep the baby as I was worried about the impact on my 3 other DC.
I had the baby in July and whilst I still struggle, on the whole I think I made the right choice for us.
It's not easy though.

Social Services only wanted to support me - they recognised the courage it had taken to run away and how I had done my best to keep the children safe. They were all put on Child in Need plans but signed off a couple of months after I had the baby.

Good luck x

MoriartyIsMyAngel · 03/11/2015 23:08

You said you left him two months ago in your OP, so I guess you met up after that? 2-3 weeks means you have some breathing space at least. The pill would be the simplest option if that's what you want to do.

Sorry, but try not to hope for things you have no control over yet. My DS has Asperger's, and it runs through our family. I believe that there is a genetic link with autism, you may not agree. But there's a high chance the second child could have autism too. Would you be able to cope?

Itsacoldnightday · 04/11/2015 05:44

It's not technically 2 months, but will be coming up to it. I did think it was very strange when the nurse told me.
Though, I did tell the nurse that I actually don't remember when my last period was and I have irregular bleed and I have a rough idea of when I last had sex, but don't precisely know the date, so I was gave her a possible date and she told me judging by my dates it will be coming up to three weeks. Though at the abortion clinic, they will scan me and see for definite how many weeks I am.

Moriatryismyangel I would not be able to cope with having another child with autism.

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LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 04/11/2015 06:34

It's a long time since I as last pg so I don't remember how the dates thing works, but are you saying that in spite of breaking up with him 'finally' two months ago, you have slept with him more than once in the last three weeks?

MoriartyIsMyAngel · 04/11/2015 09:56

OK. The 'going by last period' stuff isn't an exact science at all. If you think you know the date you conceived you're likely to be right. I knew the exact date and my baby was born almost nine months to the day, though 'officially' he was ten days overdue.

Honestly, if you think you can't cope with another child with autism, I'm afraid you may have your answer. But write down all your notes and questions before you go in for counselling. Even if you're further along, you still have time on your side.

NameChange30 · 04/11/2015 10:06

OP, my advice would be to ignore Leave - you don't have to explain yourself, your dates or your decision to have sex to her or any of us. I for one am not here to make you feel any worse about your situation.

Itsacoldnightday · 04/11/2015 10:28

It will be coming up to 2 months and no I didn't three weeks ago. Unless I'm further a long than I think I am.

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Itsacoldnightday · 04/11/2015 10:30

Thank you AnotherEmma. I'll know the exact week when I get the scan.

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Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 04/11/2015 10:43

Emma it is a good point though.

Hypothetically should the OP continue with the pregnancy, SS would be very keen to ensure that the OP was staying away from the abuse.
Friends of ours have recently adopted, and the history of repeated pregnancies with an abusive father and an inability to genuinely end the relationship was a factor in the decision to remove children from the mother. I say factor, because there were other circumstances which also contributed, but clearly SS don't just ignore.

Itsa I think you may be further along than you realise. Anyway - I hope you can come through this feeling like you have made the right choices, I wish you all the best.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 04/11/2015 11:42

Leaving aside the pg for the moment OP. I totally get how hard it is to deal with a child with autism - my DS has autism and dyspraxia and it is hard.

But it is going to be massively, massively easier to parent your DD and to be the parent you want to be now that you have escaped from your XP. I promise you. You will be able to focus on her, instead of on placating your XP. You'll be able to set routines and so on that suit her, instead of routines that suit your XP. You'll be able to discover your creativity and joy around her - I bet you were scared to laugh and have a good time with DD when you were with XP? People say children with autism don't have empathy but ime that's bollocks, they often have too much empathy. Now you're not scared, she will open up. I'd put money on it.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 06/11/2015 07:50

OP, my advice would be to ignore Leave - you don't have to explain yourself, your dates or your decision to have sex to her or any of us. I for one am not here to make you feel any worse about your situation.

Yes let's ignore the person asking the pertinent, awkward questions shall we? She won't be able to ignore SS when they ask exactly the same questions. Do you honestly think the cheap thrill of making someone feel worse about a shitty situation is my sole motivation here? Hmm There's sympathy and then there is useful constructive advice.

But apart of me knows what will happen if I go through the pregnancy (eg. Social services being involved again, I wil get depressed, Not giving much attention to DD's special needs).

SS have supported me for many years, due to the DV between the dad and I and even though they were helpful, it was very stressful. The questions, the assessments, I was depressed, I wanted them to leave me alone.

it all got to a point it that the violence was becoming frequent and they did kind of say that if I got back with him again there's a possibility that DD will be removed from my care.

I feel like they have given me many chances not to go back out with my ex, but I kept on going back to him. I have finally left him for good, but I think if they found out that I am pregnant by him. I fear that my DD and the baby will be under a child protection plan and sooner or later a court order to potentially remove them.

Itsacold I'm not sure SS will agree that you 'finally left him for good almost two months ago' given that you appear to be 2-3 weeks PG. The simple fact is that both of those things can't be true. Even if you are further along in your PG than you thought, for the midwife to even think you might be 2 -3 weeks PG you must have told her you slept with him very recently, and certainly since you 'finally left him for good'.

SS have heard it all before - what makes you think they'll believe you this time? Let's remember, this isn't about what you think about the current status of your relationship, it's about what they will think.

People can get annoyed with me for pointing this out if they like, but ignoring it won't help you when SS come calling.

I think perhaps you were hoping that people will tell you lots of positive stories, tell you everything thing will be fine, SS will leave you alone, you'll cope admirably with your PGCE and your depression and a new baby as a lone parent and a child with SNs and possibly the constant hovering presence of an abusive ex, while living in temporary accommodation with friends and having your family's disappointment and disapproval to contend with.... But the truth is it WON'T be fine. It will be a massive struggle and if you can't stay really really strong and jump through all of SS's hoops, it could end in you losing your children.

First of all, forget what you want for a moment, is any of this fair on your DD, when you both have a chance of a fresh start with no more SS intervention?

Can someone please tell me, regarding social services, what will
Happen if I have another baby with someone they know of, who is abusive.

I think you know what will happen. You've been told by them before what is likely to happen. You've already answered your own question up there. ^

It seemed to me that the knowledge of that, and the spiral of stress and depression it might send you into, was the MAIN REASON you posted for advice about whether to terminate or not.

That's why i said 'you pays your money and takes your choice'. It's up to you, of course. There is no point in me telling you what I think you should do, but if you go ahead with the PG then don't go into it without being completely honest with yourself about the reality of what lies ahead.

TheDowagerCuntess · 06/11/2015 08:18

I would undoubtedly have an abortion in the circumstances you describe. And no, that is not me telling the OP to have an abortion.

I had an abortion aged 24. Felt nothing but utter relief afterwards. To do this day, I feel nothing but relief that I absolutely did the right thing back then.

Abortion has zero impact on subsequent fertility. I had an abortion, and DH's ex had two. DH and I have since had two - much wanted, planned for and loved - DC.

I still don't feel anything other than relief at the decision I made, aged 24.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do - the only right decision is your own decision.

Blossomflowers · 06/11/2015 10:55

Hello itsacold how you doing, when is your appointment. ? I reiterate again you must feel no guilt about am abortion. Reality would be that you would have 2 children possibly both with special needs,?? a connection with an abusive ass hole, possible intervention with SS, no means of supporting yourself or the children. Really is that life you want?. I remember you mentioned studying, please be brave sort this out, get back to college and make something of your life. You are so youndg that there is plenty of time to meet someone new and to have a loving relationship and start a family with the support you need.

Itsacoldnightday · 06/11/2015 19:28

Hello everyone, haven't checked out this thread in a while. Was using this whole week to clear my head. Thanks Blossom I am actually further along than I thought I was. I went to the clinic they scanned me and said I'm around 6 weeks pregnant Sad,.

Leave There is no reason for me to lie on this thread, what will I gain? I'm already in a fucked up situation. No, I have not slept with him recently. To be honest, when the nurse was asking me these gazillion of questions, I was just giving her random dates. I was numb, I wanted to leave her office ASAP, I didn't care what she had to say, my head was all over the place. When she told me I was 2-3 weeks, I thought that couldn't be right. But didn't bother to question her and was soon out the door when it was time for me to go.

It's been over a month since "I've left him". It will technically be nearly two months, but when you've actually haven't spoken to or seen someone for a while, whereas before I will see or speak to them nearly every single day for a number of years, does see like a very long time.

Maybe I haven't actually left him for good, maybe I will go back to him, maybe I am hoping he will change. But the fact that I packed our things and left to live with my brother, is something I would of never had done and hopefully from that I can finally leave him. I hope I have the strength to continue to stay with my brother and continue to have no contact with him.

I wasn't hoping for anything. I was hoping to see if anyone had been in my situation and for them to tell me their stories or their outcomes. I didn't think I would be fine, nor did I expect anyone to tell me that SS will leave me alone.

But thanks for your input, I wish this time I would have the strength to leave him for good. It's difficult, but I have to do this for me and most importantly my child.

Dowagar and Blossom. I'm so torn, when the consultant told me roughly how many weeks I was, I wanted to burst into tears. They were telling me about the medical abortion, and the surgical one, as I'm in the early stages. I researched about the medical abortion, but I'm reading horror stories about how it was so painful and how a person died as she got a haemorrhage. I would want the surgical one as many people have said that they have suffered little pain. But then again there is a risk to the uterus and what happens if it gets damaged.

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LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 06/11/2015 19:36

Ok. So we've gone from you left him two months ago and are 2 weeks PG to you left him a month ago and are six weeks PG. Whatever. In the end everything I said still stands. Is this fair on your daughter? Is this best for your future? Do you think the tiny risk involved in a termination outweigh the risks to you andyour DDs long term wellbeing and happiness if you go ahead and have another baby with this man?

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 06/11/2015 19:51

itscold only you can decide. But although a medical termination is uncomfortable it is nothing compared to childbirth. Likewise the risks of harm are probably higher hiving birth.

So I think you need to discount both those things and devide based on what you really want.

I will tell you one thing though, a baby will not change him

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 06/11/2015 19:56

Itsacold you started this thread to help you come to a decision. If it's not helping you do that then walk away from it. You don't need to get involved in back and forth with posters who are challenging you - albeit I do think Leave is trying to get you to think hard about the future rather than piss you off.

But you need to focus on your decision now.

NameChange30 · 07/11/2015 11:23

Hi OP,
When you had your clinic appointment did they offer you any counselling? If not could you ask your GP? It might help to have someone to talk through you feelings and fears with.
FWIW I was with a close friend when she had a medical abortion, she did find it painful but she was absolutely fine.
Good luck with your decision, don't be afraid to talk to family or friends if you think they will be supportive and not pressure you either way.
Flowers

Blossomflowers · 10/11/2015 15:59

Itsacold How you doing?

Itsacoldnightday · 16/11/2015 13:50

Hello everyone, just to give an update.

I have booked myself for the termination this week, though I don't think I can go through with it Sad. My head is telling me to terminate, but my heart is telling me to keep.

DD's dad now knows that I'm pregnant. DD and I were staying at my dad's house on the weekend, I went out to do a few things and my dad sent me an urgent message to come back to the house. When I got back, that's when he confronted me about the pregnancy and that when I left my bag lying in the room and a bunch of papers came out of the bag, as he was packing them back in, he noticed the abortion leaflet. Also, out of anger, he rang and told DD's dad, he was shouting and swearing at him over the phone, my dad and I had a huge argument, I was telling him that why did he tell him, that he wasn't suppose to know etc. My dad told me that I was stupid, why would I imp-regnant with that man. That day was very hectic. DD's dad told my dad that he didn't want anything to do with this newborn and that if I didn't get rid of it he will leave DD Hmm.

I immediately went back to my brothers as DD's dad knows where my dad lives. I have recently spoken to my dad and he has apologised to me about the way he reacted and that he shouldn't of went and told DD's dad straight away, he also said it's not the fact that I'm pregnant that angers him, but what angers him is that I'm pregnant by that abusive twat again, and he wanted me to finally break free of him, now that I'm pregnant with his child, his worried that I'll go back to him.

I feel so broken. I really don't know what to do. Sad

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