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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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Clutterbugsmum · 13/01/2015 20:01

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 20:11

Nope, can't find a thing.

Oh well, I'm sure we'll be enlightened when it's all over.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 20:18

Should have refreshed before posting! Thanks Clutter.

Maybe it's because you are under oath and shouldn't be advised to change your story or advised how to 'redeem yourself' in the middle of testimony? I guess that makes sense. Not you particularly, but just in general.

WellWhoKnew · 13/01/2015 20:21

Read up, Across, I've answered above from what has been explained to me (cos I asked the question of SHL/SHB afterwards cos I was curious too!).

It's a bit like before the hearing, when we were preparing SHL said not to look at her during examination because she would not be giving me thumbs up/down indicators according to what I was saying! 'Tis interfering with a witness statement and 'tis very bad thing to do, apparently. I just looked at the person asking the question and answered it best I could.

So if CC had asked a difficult question (and she did) it would be like getting out of the witness box and asking SHL "How can I best answer that question?" then climbing back in the witness box and answering "Wot she said".

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 20:25

Ahh!!! Now I understand! Sorry.

mineofuselessinformation · 13/01/2015 21:26

I'm quite liking this new feisty woman... (i.e. the one who pulled SHS up)
Hope you're doing ok tonight. Take a few days to have a break from it all - slob around, see your friends.
Then have a think about how you'd like your new life to be. It's time to start making plans for that you know. (And by awarding you continuance of SM, GH has kind of given you permission after all!)

Meerka · 13/01/2015 21:43

aha, thanks for the explanation!

Hope you are feeling a bit unwound now and while it's not all over - it's a very big step forward.

MrsC1969HJ · 13/01/2015 21:49

Mineofuselessinformation...I said exactly the same thing today...effectively WWK's part is done...she can relax. I hope he's reaping his just rewards for what he's put her through, I really do. It gives you strength when you see some justice...

Jux · 13/01/2015 22:47

Thanks for your reply. I was just wondering about the no consultation for months, as I wouldn't put it past him to find yet another lawyer and start asking them things without divulging that he's still under oath.

I still wouldn't put it past him, but I think the sort of questions etc he would ask would give the game away quite quickly.

MrsC1969HJ · 13/01/2015 23:21

The odious little toad wants to tread very carefully Jux...the instructions were clear. I have discovered myself, due to a recent weird experience, that solicitors do know when their clients' or prospective clients have instructed others. Hopefully he'll stop being a twat do as he's told for once....!

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 02:20

Been out tonight with friends, and not spending his money with glee, cos they all bought my drinks (non-Alkie ones, dammit) but had a thoroughly lovely evening. It's nice to know that I can walk amongst people again. Two of them are former solicitors (not matrimonial ones) but laughed their heads off when I described GG (they know him) and the fact STBXH is on oath for two months! Justice, for me, will be coming out of this with my 50% and my sense of humour. They invited me to a party on Saturday, so I'm 50% of the way there already. Two months, three days...

Jux it doesn't matter if he sees another lawyer to be honest because unless he discloses what actually the issues are (and therefore discloses the fact he's part heard) any solicitor will just give generalised advice. That advice will be 'mitigate as much as possible' and 'settle as quickly and as cheaply as possible' - which is what he was trying to do all day (in fact has been for 8.5 months). Since he hasn't listened to any advice thus far, I can safely say: It's no biggie.

I can't write about his testimony or even allude to it right now. Rest assured, I can one day...

Mine as part of a Final Hearing you have to submit plans for a new life - sadly MrSW does not approve of my plans and has decreed I resume in my former profession (not bomb disposal) and insisted upon where I live (not here). This was dealt with quite capably by Ms WWK, because Mr SW has been a decreeing arse for 8.5 months so she has had plenty of time to re-word "Fuck Off" into more court-acceptable language. CC came back with Well, you could work in Tescos. And I agreed I could. But, I think I was supposed to get all uppity about it. Didn't because, quite frankly, if needs must, needs must - who gives a fuck?

But GG looked a bit uppity about that question apparently he's got the impression my talents may be used better elsewhere - and perhaps not unreasonably so...

But, the counter-argument is that my needs can be adequately met by my STBXH at least in the short term until I can re-establish myself - which is just one of the reasons why we are in a Final Hearing. Apparently, according to CC, I am deluded for not thinking I can live on fresh air and rainwater in a shit caravan for the rest of my life, whilst STBXH swans off into the sunset with 50% of the assets in my name, having squandered or hidden his!

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Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 02:30

WWK

Do you know why its so long between Part I and Part II? It just seems a very long time to have someone under oath and not allowed to talk about it. If I had thought about it, which I didnt but if I had, then I suppose I would have thought that it would just carry on the next day.

Does the judge decide (in which case I agree with a PP that it sounds like a punishment) or do you just get given the next available date?

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 02:54

Yes. Simple reason: 'Cos we were victorious (finally) on part 1 of the Armageddon Plan, which was formulated in July, but nearly lost to us in October completely.

Thankfully, GG himself said, why is this hearing not in March given X.

Also STBXH had disclosed to the court during the arguments for a FDR that he could not attend the next day due to a very important meeting involving an airport (yes, that tall story again!!).

Foot, gun - bang!

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Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 03:01

Ah! So it is a case of "Go and think about what you have done and what it is going to cost you whilst not being allowed to talk to the very people that could help you mitigate those costs"?!

Nice one GG!

Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 03:01

Strike out fail :o

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 03:13

GG gave MrSW the biggest shot over the bow in July. Thus igniting Cognitive Arseliance with Righteous Indignation and turning a volatile angry little man into a massive ball of fury!

See I can do the blame game - thanks GG!

If MrSW was half as clever as the thinks he is, he'd have got the message then. I did and I've been a very good little WWK ever since (and before for that matter...) despite utterly brimming with hurt and anger some days. Difference is I understand consequences. He don't.

If MrSW is telling the truth about March, then he is proven right. If he is lying, then so be it. However, we still have his testimony in writing in his Narrative Statement. The law is a rather clever thing...if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

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Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 03:21

He is going to utterly tie himself in knots isnt he? My dad always says "To be a good liar you need a bloody good memory". Couple his crap lying skills with his crap memory and his belief in himself as Mr Clever And Wonderful, the rest of his testimony will be something to behold!

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 03:24

One day, Bogey, one day, I will be able to tell you why 'he is going to' is the wrong tense...

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Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 03:31
Wink

:)

Bogeyface · 14/01/2015 03:31

I look forward to it, as I am sure you are doing too!

Jux · 14/01/2015 08:13

I have warmed to GG..... Smile

MrsC1969HJ · 14/01/2015 09:10

In my imagination.....

Dear NSTBXH
AcrossthePond55 · 14/01/2015 14:02

Brilliant, MrsC!

Hi to you! Good to 'see' you about.

MrsC1969HJ · 14/01/2015 14:47

Across, hi my lovely! I will be updating later...been a while ;-)

FrancesNiadova · 14/01/2015 16:51

Ooh I think I luffs Grumpy Gudge just a little bit!