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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
Joysmum · 12/01/2015 22:44

SHL said in future I could consider being a ‘professional witness’. I said ‘funny that’, I was thinking of becoming a professional writer

This is what excites me most. Is like to think you've found your future. You've a real talent Wine

MrsC1969HJ · 12/01/2015 23:03

WWK...have read with awe. March. March. March. It was always going to be March wasn't it?? I have tried to call you tonight, I will speak to you tomorrow..I am hoping you are totally sloshed and covered in cats. He was always going to fuck this up, it's been coming in thick and fast over the past few weeks...and now this. I am beyond delighted and I knew you would make us all proud. Lots of love from me...xxx

WellWhoKnew · 12/01/2015 23:15

The phone is ringing off the hook. But the zombie plan is 'death star two'...

Bed. Too dog tired to articulate.

XXX.

Mrs C, thank you personally, you got me to today. But I am sooooo shattered.

WWK.

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MrsC1969HJ · 12/01/2015 23:18

Well at least you're still typing! Speak tomorrow. Sleep well chicken :-) xx

whyMe2014 · 13/01/2015 00:44

Just checking in - glad everything went well. So March it is then.
xxx

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 01:26

Snuggle down in your own safe cocoon. Sleep well. There will be time tomorrow to feel all the feelings. Please remember that it will be OK to feel just the teensiest bit triumphant. Actually, a whole lot triumphant.

bubblebabeuk · 13/01/2015 04:30

Well done WWK we are all so very proud of how well you have coped and how far you have come these last 8.5 months, your a bloody inspiration and stay strong the end is in sight thank god xxx

ConfusedNC · 13/01/2015 09:00

Wwk....had to read some bits twice to take it in. I have no idea how you've got through all this legal jiggery pokery. You can probably take the bar exam yourself after al this! But so very nearly there. You must be exhausted.

Start planning a very lovely holiday in march/April x

Jux · 13/01/2015 09:02

Wow WWK, you are THE WOMAN!! Well done Brew

Cake to help your Court jumper fill up a little Wink

CruCru · 13/01/2015 09:18

I tend to lurk on here but well done WWK.

ptumbi · 13/01/2015 09:46

WWK - I'm exhausted! God only knows how you felt after that.

March? the wheels turn so slowly.

Cake Flowers

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 13/01/2015 09:55

Wonder what Grumpy Gudge would think if he knew he has a flourishing fan club on here. Smile Wine for Grumpy

lindtastic · 13/01/2015 10:13

Just caught up - WOW! You must be exhausted WWK. Well done for getting through all that.

dobedobedo · 13/01/2015 10:29

You're amazing Thanks Wine

whyMe2014 · 13/01/2015 12:05

Well done - how you did 3 hours in the box I do not know but this has only got to make you stronger and more determined to get this nasty little vermin out of your life once and for all.

Go forward and write your book and I'll buy it.

xx

Meerka · 13/01/2015 12:39

Hope you slept well and are feeling good this morning, WWK. Flowers for you and for SHL and SHB!

WellWhoKnew · 13/01/2015 16:25

I had a marathon sleep = 11 hours, and my body is screaming out for a siesta but I still feel I'm running on adrenaline. I'll calm down, I think, in a few days.

A couple of things - because it was 'part-heard' he remains under oath until the next hearing, which means he cannot get legal advice until then, the same as when I went to the loo between questioning. Only I was 'disbarred' from receiving legal advice for ten minutes, he has been disbarred for two months and a week!

He can only make offers to settle and submit the disclosures ordered by the court. If he continues to resist, then following the final hearing part II, he will be summonsed to either remain in court, or return at a later date, to be sentenced for contempt of court. He can purge his contempt by complying with the last court order, and it's likely to be forgiven (although it may get me some costs awarded - remember the SM?). Or he can keep on with his 'righteous indignation'. And that's 'his choice' and nothing to do with me.

He has been informed that I will not be accepting any offers until he discloses. He has to continue paying SM...

The best bit is he has gone part-heard as well, he was in the middle of being cross-examined by SHB. So he's got two months to re-write history and to re-testify. But he's already sworn under oath.

As for all those unsigned documents that he submitted - he had to swear each one, for me, it was 'is this your Form E? Yes. Is this your signature? Yes. For him he had to swear something to the effect of 'This is truthful and accurate account to the best of my knowledge' for every single freaking document that he should have signed.

It was a bit monotonous to say the least.

The rest I can only really say anything about after Part II.

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 17:22

So, is this 'still sworn' and 'no legal advice' GG's equivalent of one's mother saying "You KNOW what you did! Now you go straight to your room and think about what you did and I do not want to hear a peep from you for (insert timeframe here). When that's up and you have thought about it, you may come down and apologize and we will discuss it!!!"

If so, yay for GG!!!

So sorry about the delay, but on the other hand it was nice to hear that Mr not-so-Snowy Whitey and his duo of legal dwarves (Dopey and Dummy) got spanked by GG!

Now, take a nap and when you wake up have some Cake and Wine then sit and giggle a wee bit. You deserve it.

Jux · 13/01/2015 17:40

I can see that if he goes to shs/CC then they will just send him away without advising him, but could he go to (yet) another nvshs/CC?

MrsC1969HJ · 13/01/2015 17:41

I think that just about hit the nail on the head Across...! :-)

WellWhoKnew · 13/01/2015 18:52

He cannot go to any solicitors or barristers for legal advice at all, to even attempt to do so, would be a contempt of court - which is a disbarring offence for all solicitors/barristers if they were to engage with him. He can dismiss shs/cc from his case but he cannot replace them.

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Meerka · 13/01/2015 19:13

Will you tell us why?? when all this is over? puzzling!

WellWhoKnew · 13/01/2015 19:38

Them's the roolz! When under oath you cannot seek advice on how best to answer questions/change your evidence because you've promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. If he got legal advice, when under oath, then he won't be using 'his' words he'll be supplying words fed to him by someone else to explain his attitude/beliefs/behaviour.

He has knowledge now of where SHB is leading him because of the "Skelly" presented to the judge and also because of my testimony. So it makes sense to prevent him supplying answers that have been fed to him. It's nothing specially bad that he's done, if I had spoken to anyone about my case, when I nipped out to the loo, I'd be a very naughty WWK. As it was, his CC came to the loo with me, although used a separate cubicle! She assured me she wasn't stalking me and said 'Jolly Good and giggled'! So with CC and shs, yesterday, it was a case of 'being seen not to break the rules'.

Does that make sense?

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2015 19:41

I'll admit I do find it puzzling, too, Meerka. I've never heard of it in US juris prudence, but I'm not a lawyer so who knows.

It would be interesting to know from a strictly legal standpoint (not WWK's specific case) how this plays in to the British legal system.

Off to google…….

Clutterbugsmum · 13/01/2015 20:00

Acrossthepond55

I had something similar with the British court system. I was car jacked and the police caught the people who did it. But we had to go to court. Only once we were at court and I had been log in at court (sorry can't remember the correct term) the people who car jacked me pleaded guilty before we actually got into court, so they were released to go to lunch with their solicitor before sentencing,the police officers were released. I could not go to lunch, had been at the court since 8.30am as I had not been released this was now 1pm. It was only when the police men came back and found me still in the witness room waiting.

They had to go and find both solicitors and the judge to get me released, as I was still bound by the court rules.