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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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Alibalibumblebee · 14/01/2015 17:14

Have I understood correctly re you going to the loo?

By doing so you played a blinder in that you got your husband silenced for a few months?

Apologies if Ive got it all wrong.

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 17:33

No, nothing that cynical - I just wanted a breather break between giving my evidence and being cross-examined - I'd already been on the stand for about 1.5 hours by that point. Just needed a few minutes to change my mindset...and lighten the load bladder wise! Apparently, it's okay to ask for a break if it's getting too much, or you need the loo. Clearly it is, as GG was fine about it.

STBXH took to the stand after lunch and gave his evidence. SHB had started cross-examination but not finished it when the judge called time on the day. Hence him remaining under oath until he comes back to court.

Because of the way he has chosen to litigate throughout this process, which I am cynical about, I lack any sympathy for the fact he is now Mr Whitey in the Shitey now.

As I say Foot, gun - Bang!

Really, he is the village idiot.

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Holdthepage · 14/01/2015 19:12

Arrogance & stupidity are a lethal combination.

CookieDoughKid · 14/01/2015 19:14

Could he be such a snake and try to present false information to GG? I'm just thinking worst case, what snakes do to try and extricate himself out of this situation, to make it disadvantageous to you.

CruCru · 14/01/2015 19:45

Lies tend to be exposed in court. Judges are really experienced at spotting false information. They see this sort of thing all the time.

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 21:15

WWK back again. Cryptically saying that some assumptions are being made about future behaviour. The best predictor of the future is the past.

Could he be such a snake and try to present false information to GG?.

It is part-heard. That means, some things have been established...

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getthefeckouttahere · 14/01/2015 21:19

I agree judges are extremely adept at spotting people who are untruthful even if it can't be proved. I have seen this many many times in the criminal court.

The problem comes when dealing with people who are just being a bit (or a lot) cnty. We, being reasonable people hope that this behaviour, which is apparent to all will be 'punished'. But unfortunately even cnty people are entitled to a fair crack of the judicial whip apparently. And that leaves a sour taste in ones mouth.

CookieDoughKid · 14/01/2015 21:31

Oh I see. OK, thanks for the explanation! WWK - we look forward to your next installment but in the meantime, I raise my glass to you. I am sure, you'll have a far more happier, stressfree and healthier life ahead of you.

Meerka · 14/01/2015 21:37

Will you definitely get Gorgeous Grumpy again in the March hearing?

Seeing as he has some experience now of both your sides ....

mineofuselessinformation · 14/01/2015 22:48

So to use a well-worn phrase, no red flags so far then.
Fab news.
I'm hoping the shell-shock wears off fairly soon, and that you can enjoy the relief of not having to worry about caravan habitation...
I'm thrilled for you that this sounds like a very definite step in the right direction.
Can you make up your mind about his new nn though?
Personally, I liked Mr Snowy-Whitey the best! Smile

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 23:25

We are owned by GG totally and completely. There is no way out...all exits are sealed.

We asked for a hearing in April. GG agreed it would be better but apologised and informed us he was retiring at the end of March.

Given past behaviour is a good indicator of future behaviour, he decided to book the FH part II for Mid-March. If it goes on beyond the next day, his diary is clear to make it his last case at the end of March.

GG was also the judge who pissed on STBXH's chips when he asked, way back when (pre-SM) for mediation/adjournment. GG was the judge who decreed that MrSW presence in his court was more important than Mr SW's fuckwittery. Mr GG was NOT the judge who agreed to the 'telephone hearing'...

I take it he is relishing giving a final 'fuck you' to the legal system and the Cognitive Arseholiants that drag us into it.

GG retires at the end of March as a very well respected, very fair, very down to earth, yet very grumpy judge. I was there on Monday. He is no one's fool. He also takes offence quite quickly.

GG was just lovely to me. And always has been.

Sarcasm, apparently, is okay in the courthouse.

Yet, funnily enough, I was never sneered at in my evidence.

As I say, I have been treated very well.

But, my name is Well. So who knows?

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MrsC1969HJ · 14/01/2015 23:49

But, my name is Well. So who knows?

You do, voodoo...Wink x

WellWhoKnew · 14/01/2015 23:59

My name is Well.

Who the hell are Yoo?

Doo you think I know woo?

I can do grumpy.

I can do judgy

But, well who knows?

I can just doo.

But, I can also love Voo.

XXX Mrs C.

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MrsC1969HJ · 15/01/2015 00:28

That has made me laugh loudly :-) x

ptumbi · 15/01/2015 09:37

So, WWK, he is not only having to sit on his hands for 2 months, but he is also going to have to remember what lies truths he has spun the court? For 2 months? And he can't even ask anyone what he said?

Grin

Can't wait for GG to tie him up like a bagel and bite lumps out....

WellWhoKnew · 15/01/2015 11:40

That be the sum of it ptumbi - he can't even access the notes his solicitor has taken on his behalf from the hearing.

And to be honest, under that kind of stress, it's very hard to remember what I actually said iny own evidence let alone what he said even just a few days later.

I do remember the man changing his story part way through his hearing though...

I receive 50 pages of notes later this week just to be sure to be sure...

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Allergictoironing · 15/01/2015 12:16

Of course if he'd told the TRUTH at the previous hearings, he wouldn't have anything to worry about would he? Grin

Jux · 15/01/2015 13:05

Have a small guffaw Grin. No, make it a large one GrinGrin

NeitherHereOrThere · 15/01/2015 14:48

Just read the latest Grin

What a genius Grumpy Gudge is Grin

Alibalibumblebee · 15/01/2015 17:28

Why can't he access his own notes?

Im really not understanding whats going on, sorry. Blush

Andro · 15/01/2015 17:34

He's sworn to tell the truth...the truth doesn't change there for a crib sheet of what he's already said is unnecessary!

It's like a jury not being allowed to research or discuss an ongoing case.

WellWhoKnew · 15/01/2015 17:52

Andro's got it. He can't access notes his solicitor has written about what's been said so far because it would give him an unfair advantage. If he were able to 'study' his testimony so far, and mine in the morning, then he would be much better prepared in the second hearing.

You're on trial, it's very pressured - what you say, and how you say it reveals a lot about your attitude and beliefs. It is actually easier to tell the truth (well it is for me) than to maintain a lie. But it is easier to maintain a lie if you've had some time to rehearse it, rather than when making one up on the spot.

As the 'second witness' he's already heard my testimony, so if he were to then get notes of what I'd said and what he's said so far, he could really 'formulate' what he is going to say in March. It would, therefore, be very unfair to me.

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mineofuselessinformation · 15/01/2015 22:19

Oh dear.... What a shame..... Never mind. Grin

Alibalibumblebee · 16/01/2015 04:35

Ah ok, now I understand.

Its a lot more complex than Law and Order eh? Wink

Karenthetoadslayer · 16/01/2015 09:40

In conclusion, Mr. Snowy-Whitey (I do love double barrel names) has now fallen into a deep sleep, after he could not resist the temptation to greedily bite into the poisoned apple that turned him into a liar and cheater and will now remain in his deep sleep until March, awaiting a wake up kiss from Grumpy Gudge - or rather have sleepless nights due to indigestion ...

... while the two remaining dwarfs shs and cc (in lower case letters) continue to hold watch over Mr Snowy-Whitey.

... whereas Mrs Snowy-Whitey will continue to live happily ever after.

How very feminist to call him 'Mr Snowy-Whitey' I am all for equal rights for men.

Not posting much on your thread, sorry WWK but thinking of you regardless. x Karen