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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
CookieDoughKid · 12/01/2015 20:41

WWK well done for just getting through the day!! How did you feel when you saw your ex though? Did you look at him and send him daggers? Did he try to eyeball you??

I truly admire you and hope you are enjoying your evening. It must be a huge weight lifted.

fatherpeeweestairmaster · 12/01/2015 20:42

Another lurker here, willing you ever onward! I feel like I can SEE Mr SW sweating in his court suit - love how it's a gathering of women who are effectively deciding his fate, since he apparently has so little regard for female mental capacity in his out-of-court life...

FrancesNiadova · 12/01/2015 20:48

WineWineWineWineWineWineWine

mineofuselessinformation · 12/01/2015 20:48

Oh, now you're teasing us!
I knew there was no way two or three posts would cover it....
You're a bloody good writer you know.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 12/01/2015 20:55

More!!!!!

WellWhoKnew · 12/01/2015 20:57

And so we all traipsed back into the courtroom.

Only then I noticed ‘the other side’ were AWOL so said out loud to SHL, “Oh, I wonder if I can go to the loo…” not noticing Grumpy Gudge sat at his bench.

So Grumpy Gudge ordered us another ten minutes…

Seriously, GG – it took a matter of moments!

But in those moments, the offer got ‘up-scaled’ again.

But I said I would considered it post-pee, and post declaration to Grumpy Gudge.

And so we entered back into the court room, me with a little less water retention, but still bricking it!

And it transpired that he could Fully and Frankly disclose on one key matter but unfortunately he had hit a ‘security wall’. According to CC, there was also the matter that neither he, CC nor shs could access technology sufficient for him to send an email to overcome a second matter.

All of which discombobulated my blondness, because I’d been reading MN quite frequently during the ‘box room’ moments!

And SHL was not willing to lend her Ipad. Hmmm.

And so it was admitted that although he could access some of the information he had met ‘technology problems’.

Never mind, said Grumpy Gudge, let’s deal with some of the non-financial issues…

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shadowfax07 · 12/01/2015 20:58

You do have a gift for writing WWK, please don't stop xx

Fooshufflewickbannanapants · 12/01/2015 21:02

Gaaaaaah!!!!

Redhead11 · 12/01/2015 21:03

I admire your fortitude. I think i would have had a secret flask of gin hidden about my person that i would have gulped down in large quantities whilst at the loo!

WellWhoKnew · 12/01/2015 21:06

And that's how the day ended.

I'm not pulling your leg. Mr Snowey Whitey took to the witness box and swore to God.

But that's where the NEWS BLACKOUT must begin.

It's a part-hearing. I cannot continue from this point. However, because it is a part hearing, I learnt something about the law that I did not know until today.

You are not allowed to seek legal advice whilst under oath. So when I asked for a 'pit-stop' between my testimony and my cross-examination, SHB and SHL had to remain in the court room. I sat on the loo, I may have used it, I may not have, I cannot say. I went back in, and I was cross-examined. I was released from oath and went for lunch with SHL.

He took the oath and we were part-heard.

The court-orders are pretty strict.

I have come home. I hope you understand, this has been a day of reckoning.

We're back in court in March.

Sorry folks.

The good news, though, is I cannot rant anymore. He's not allowed to have any legal access except to provide the outstanding documentary disclosures and to make further offers.

There can be no more fuckwittery.

So yes, I'm sorry, my story doesn't have a happy ending. But British Justice is canny.

And I believe today very much in British Justice.

WWK.

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AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2015 21:10

"neither he, CC nor shs could access technology sufficient for him to send an email to overcome a second matter."

Is that 'legal-speak' for 'he forgot his password'? Confused.

Nah, probably 'legal-speak' for 'fuck CC & shs, I don't want to disclose that!!'

Redhead11 · 12/01/2015 21:12

Well, maybe not a conventional happy ending, but I am pretty sure that it will be a happy ending in the long run. If the fuckwittery is over, that is a huge, positive step forward. March probably seems like a long way away, but consider how far you have come in the last 8.5 months and it will pass in the blink of an eye. You are doing magnificently, my dear. Have a strong one and just think - not long until he is the XH! Wine

FrancesNiadova · 12/01/2015 21:13

And RELAXXXXXX. Wine cheersWine

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2015 21:15

Well, I hope your 'can be no more fuckwittery' will hold true. But the true fuckwit always manages to 'wit themselves some fuck' even when they aren't supposed to.

Don't say your story doesn't have a happy ending! It ain't over til the fat lady sings! And I don't hear her tuning up just yet.

"Ad astra per aspera"

Timeforabiscuit · 12/01/2015 21:16

He can't have any legal access until March?!?

Dear god, how is the man meant to maintain his ego in the meantime ?Wink

Thank you for your beautifully written posts, are you going to be able to keep your head above water til then?

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 12/01/2015 21:31

I very much hope that your story has the happiest of endings in March and that life between now and then will be somewhat easier for you.

You must be totally wrung out, the day sounds horrifically stressful.

I hope you have plenty of gin and the peace of mind to sleep the night through.

windymillerday · 12/01/2015 21:32

KOKO! Flowers and Wine

WandaFuca · 12/01/2015 21:41

You are such a remarkable woman, and such a remarkable writer.

I hope you get some good sleep tonight. It must have taken a lot of mental energy to deal with everything today.

Mr SW really is a fuckwit of the highest order.

I understand about the news blackout, but maybe could you spend the time before March reworking your posts here for a blog or somesuch? I think that would good for other women going through the same kind of situation to read.

Or just start writing about anything at all. Maybe an amusing short story of finally shifting a huge turd into the sewerage system?

Bananasandchocolatecustard · 12/01/2015 21:44

WWK - I cannot express how amazing I think you are, to have battled through all this legal "stuff", to realise what sort of person your STBXH is, and to have written the account so brilliantly. You are an inspiration.
KOKO

mineofuselessinformation · 12/01/2015 21:46

Oh, I so hoped you'd have this all tied up in a neat bundle today.
I'm so sorry that you have to wait.....
But, the good news is, in the meantime, if I've read you correctly, you can seek legal advice, but HE CAN'T.
What a comeuppance. And of course, if he starts emailing you etc, etc, you can just take out a non-molestation order.
Does he have to settle your claim as of now? I sincerely hope so.
KOKO WWK, another two months or thereabouts to go, by which time he will be bricking it, because he hasn't had to take the stand yet, has he?
Right will prevail. Yay for GG - he's the business.
Get you to bed, with a drink in hand if you feel inclined - you've earnt it.

WellWhoKnew · 12/01/2015 21:59

Yes, I can keep my head above water until then - there is now a clearly established case for a costs order.

Both SHL and SHB are not going to ask for payments until March.

After the fact.

No, he has court orders, clearly written, with penal notice, not to seek any legal advice. He remains under oath until March. Technically, he can't even bitch about me!

I left the courthouse with Mr Snowey Whitey in a room on his own, and his legal team sat in a separate room. Singled out and alienated is my last memory of the man. The adult version of the 'naughty step'. They can't even wish him a 'safe trip home'.

If he now provides full and frank, I can chose whether or not to go to the courthouse in March. I await full and frank.

But I now have a 'final memory of him': small, abandoned and powerless.

It doesn't make me smile but it does remind me of me when he left.

Divorce is the shittiest business going.

I've done 8.5 months of shit. I'm not celebrating. I'm not commiserating.

But for the person who asked about seeing him in the flesh, I chopped this from an earlier post:

"You did give me moments of making me laugh. Thankfully bladder kept up its role to maintain my dignity.

I thought I'd vomit on the sight of seeing you, but I just saw a pathetic dirty old man. A liar. A cheat. A man who not only deceives his wife, but his own family. A man who causes so much hurt, so much destruction, so much damage.

Although, I still do like your nose - but the rest of you, nope. Especially now I know what really lurks within you. Now I see you in all your 'glory'. You aren't pretty. Your ego started shrinking until the end of the day, you were pathetic."

But I couldn't find the right place in my monologue of today. Thank you for letting me get it in there.

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mineofuselessinformation · 12/01/2015 22:10

So, it's not a resolution. But it's a step towards resolution in your direction.
You're right to believe in justice. I believe that the truth and right will prevail, and so should you.
But, I totally understand if all you want to do right now is hibernate underneath your duvet for a couple of days. You deserve it. You've worked for it.
Sleep well WWK.

MsIngaFewmarbles · 12/01/2015 22:12

He can't seek legal advice until March? I'm wracking my brains as to what he managed to do to earn that. Bet it is epic!

shadowfax07 · 12/01/2015 22:24

Oo, he's really pee'd off Grumpy Gudge, hasn't he?

Hope the fuckwittery stops until March, but in the Meantime's, sending you Flowers Wine (in place of gin) and Cake

fatherpeeweestairmaster · 12/01/2015 22:28

I bet there's no legal reason at all. Mr SW's legal team have just begged GG for some time off from their fuckwit client.