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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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getthefeckouttahere · 25/11/2014 10:51

well if you haven't changed your address you should definitely NOT order a load of stuff from lovehoney which could mistakenly end up at his address. Noo sireee you definitely don't want to do that, that would be bad....... unkind even .............

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 12:21

I did, actually, think about how that would have been worse...

But given a £43 pound college expenditure is being seen as 'self-indulgent', this woman daren't even consider having real fun...

Please, sir, can I be divorced? I am done with having a Lord and Master. I would like to try adulthood all by myself.

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mineofuselessinformation · 25/11/2014 17:52

WWK, not that you need me to tell you, but you're more 'grown up' than he will ever be...

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 18:20

Agreed Mine. I was doing mighty fine all by myself until he convinced me he was The One.

I can now picture him right now singing Chesney Hawkes I am the One and Only, which, having always thought was a very irritating song, I have now read the lyrics and they are surprisingly sinister!

Anyhow, back from the solicitors and....

BREAKING NEWS

There is no news from the 'One and Only Irritant' in my life but his chosen 'shs' is doing a marvellous job of irritating the lovely SHL, by refusing to comply with the court-ordered timetable.

I am seeing the lovely SHB on Monday to build my case for the final hearing. Either ALL the paperwork is submitted on Friday, or we vacate the hearing.

Squeaky bum time.

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yougotafriend · 25/11/2014 20:55

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3001431?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

Divorcing the character disordered.... An interesting read....

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 21:31

I have just fallen in a little bit in love with Dr. George Simon....

Thanks for that. It kind of helps to know I'm really not quite as barking as I sometimes feel.

Well 7 weeks to go until this is over! Woo hoo!

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IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 25/11/2014 22:10

whilst i can absolutely understand that The One and Only (for which we sould all be profoundly grateful) doesn't accept that Court orders apply to him, you would think his shs would know better.

I hope it's to your advantage if all the papers fail to materialise in time.

Justatoe · 25/11/2014 22:20

well If I didn't know better then I would think we are divorcing the same man...although my slog has been going for 27 months and it looks like I am going to have to go to Maintenance Pending Suit as FW doesn't seem to think I should have a (very small) part of proceeds of sale to clear my debts, and like you, sleep at night.

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 22:27

Can you write to a court and ask for a timetabled divorce? It really does help hurry the process along.

Separated 1st May this year. Final hearing 12 January next year. I'm not in London or big city though. Then all over. Just need to get there! Honestly, if you can't get them to negotiate, then timetable the divorce. That way you can get the FDA/FDR/FH to argue financial requirements and get undertakings for financial needs (I did for legal fees).

Save on MPS - it's usually only used if your husband has done a 'midnight flit' and expects you to live on fresh air and rainwater until you get to FH. As mine did.

The fact that the fucker spends it every month is just another joy of getting divorced from the twat.

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Justatoe · 25/11/2014 22:43

Thanks will ask sol about timetabled divorce although we do have court date set for 10 Jan?
Really need MPS as FW sold marital home without telling a soul, has the money in bank account (now with freezing order). He managed to fritter £100k before order enforced & we are living on fresh air, parental help and food banks. Bankruptcy is looming and I have to avoid this as I would lose my job.
I am fed up with begging and pleading just to keep us housed, warm and fed.

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 23:02

You have my heartfelt sympathy - it truly is a 'financial horror show' over here too.

Get to Jan 10th then (if you can, anyway you can).

I guess that's FDA for you. In that case you can negotiate (if he can afford it) more money and get 'undertakings'. It all comes down to your individual circumstances. I asked for further assistance (to deal with some issues) from the other side, which twat refused but over-ruled by the judge. That's the whole purpose of it, to get financial remedy with a judge's assistance.

MPS comes down to whether he can 'reasonably' afford it. It may cost you 3K (or DIY-it) to get an award for £100 pounds per month. It really depends on what he currently earns/spends.

Financial starvation is what we are all facing (and I got SM and costs!) - I really do have every sympathy for you.

As for the 100K squandering of assets - yep, same story here, but quite a bit more than that. Now got freezing orders too. As for the rest - there's a lovely concept called 'add-back'. Just don't tell the other side.

Just trying to believe in the system. So far, I've found it fair and sensible.

Twat is neither fair nor sensible. He is a MAN ON A MISSION.

To Perdition.

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MrsC1969HJ · 25/11/2014 23:09

Justatoe...your story rang many bells for me. Sending love and strength, I know how damned hard, we all do Sad

Justatoe · 25/11/2014 23:51

Thank you both.
It isn't all bad....we used to place too much emphasis on material wealth but have now learnt than being happy, with true friends is far more important.
If my daughter remembers this lesson in her future, then her life will be richer.
I, am no longer sniffy about Poundland and Iceland and actually know the prices of bread & milk!

MrsC1969HJ · 26/11/2014 00:03

Justatoe, I do actually agree with you. It concentrates the mind, it really does. Although I have never been a prolific spender, I didn't really have to think about it too much and expected a new Mulberry handbag once a year from STBXH, but now they have (bar one) been disposed of on e-bay to fund things like school trips and other necessities. I feel resentful that the ex appears to think it is OK to lavish thousands on the OW who is very wealthy in her own right, but leave the children and I on income support and all the hideousness that goes with that. Hence, like you, court (and self repping due to lack of funds). It's the injustice of it all that gets me, especially when you have devoted your life to somebody. However, I am a very clever shopper these days...and we don't go without. KOKO as we always say on this thread...!

mineofuselessinformation · 26/11/2014 17:47

To all of you 'in the process' as it were, a little snippet of my life for you...
I too have a (now) XH who thought court orders didn't apply to him (in this case it was an order for dc's benefit, not mine). He had the brass neck to say to me (I can't believe he is so stupid he actually thought it was right, but who knows?) 'But it's only if I can afford it!'. The look on his face when I reminded him what a court order actually is was a sight to behold (and remarkably satisfying).Smile

MrsC1969HJ · 26/11/2014 18:56

mineofuselessinformation....ooh that's fabulous to hear! Does this apply to indignant OW's who also flout court orders...not once, but twice...!

mineofuselessinformation · 26/11/2014 21:53

MrsC, politely remind them that they can apply for a variation of the order (if it suits you), BUT that you will ask the court to award you costs if the case goes against them, and that you will be employing the most expensive solicitor and barrister you can find for the case....
Then watch them squirm.

MrsC1969HJ · 27/11/2014 09:47

mineofuselessinformation, oh I wish I could...but I am self repping :-(. Will just have to let the court deal with her as they have done thus far. Feel a penal notice coming on...!

Lemonylemon · 27/11/2014 13:36

WWK still following from the sidelines.... KOKO xx

Have PM'd you for some info....

AcrossthePond55 · 27/11/2014 17:26

My turkey just went in the oven, my crazy Thanksgiving Day has just started. Since it's 5.30 there (only 9.30 here) I've decided that it's OK to crack a nice bottle of red. Today I'm on GMT. At least as far as Wine goes! I'm hoping on the great minds on this thread agree!!

KOKO, ladies, no matter what the obstacle is. Strength and determination will get you through!!

WellWhoKnew · 27/11/2014 17:33

Happy Thanksgiving Day, Across, your support has been formidable, so quaff the wine with my thanks and blessing.

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AcrossthePond55 · 28/11/2014 15:00

Oh thanks, WWK! I had a lovely day and snuck in some wine to my mum at her assisted living. It was the first year that she decided it was too much for her to come to my house so my DB and I sat with her at their luncheon and DH & DS2 monitored the turkey for me.

I'm glad to have been able to do my bit for Team WWK! Onwards and upwards!!

whyMe2014 · 28/11/2014 23:48

A little fairy story for you...

Once upon a time there was an unmarried princess who ruled her land wisely and well. She made the laws, collected the taxes and was loved by all her subjects.

One day when she was sitting by her lake a frog hopped out of the water "Hello Princess" said the frog. I am not really a frog at all, he continued "I am in fact, a handsome prince. A wicked witch turned me into a frog. However, if you kiss me I will regain my handsome human form. I will then marry you.

You can then have my children and care for them. You can wash my clothes and cook my meals. You can keep the palace clean and tidy. I will take over as ruler and enforce the laws. I will be King. I will collect the taxes and keep all the money. I will of course give you a generous allowance for household expenses."

Later that night when the princess was dining on sauteed frogs legs in a tarragon, cream and brandy sauce, she said to herself, "I don't fucking think so!"

Come on girls stop settling for the frogs of this world! We can do better.

WellWhoKnew · 29/11/2014 04:01

Here's a fairy tale right back at ya!

Once upon a time, a woman, later to be known as Queen WWK, studied the sex life of Frogs.

And decided that it was an interesting study.

Many years later, she finally understood why she only got a B grade for her efforts.

Because were she an A grade student, she'd not have kissed one.

Were she an A grade student, she'd have left them to go fuck themselves.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the moral of the frog (s)porn.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 29/11/2014 05:12

Love it! WWK, are you awake in the small hours again?

What I find baffling is how these men think they are above the law. And frightening what they seem able to get away with. I'm very early in the process (nowhere really) but H clearly thinks that 'all the money is his' and that he can dictate the terms of any separation. Entitled thinking in the extreme.

No news of the voodoo doll's whereabouts?