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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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nauticant · 22/11/2014 18:16

I read this OP and thought of you:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2014/1488.html

Not the details, just the attitude of the H and the exasperation of the courts.

WellWhoKnew · 22/11/2014 19:45

Wow, thank you for that! It's all in there, isn't it?

There's just so much familiar.

Defence of the Litigant in Person = "I didn't know y'honour"
Not fully and frankly disclosing = "I'm cleverer than the law!"
Collapsing all the financial assets = "It's all mine"
Disparaging of the wife = "My wife was useless"

And he got to appeal?

Poor woman. I imagine Gin was very popular round her way. And VooDoo dolls! I hope she is enjoying her retirement.

I shall read that next time I get pessimistic.

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mineofuselessinformation · 22/11/2014 19:58

I was just going to place mark as I hadn't really anything better to contribute than pp already have......
Then I got to the voodoo doll bit. I know you're not happy about the delivery address, but I guffawed at the thought of him opening and thinking wtf? Then the realisation of what, who, etc.....
And then the best bit - what will he do with it? Just throw it away? Send it to you?
Or, keep it for ever and ever as he is scared to get rid of it......
HE'S DOOOOOOOMED!

nauticant · 22/11/2014 20:22

I'm glad you thought it worth reading WWK. The lessons I draw from it are:
utterly disgraceful behaviour and contempt for the law by one party may well get them a bigger share, this is shit but it's best to accept it and carry on;
if they behave like that there's something wrong with them and they will take not getting everything they want to be a personal disaster and will carry a grudge around with them for the rest of their bitter and miserable lives;
the sane party should view it all as a long drawn-out task to maximise their share but not get hung up about not getting complete parity; and
getting 30/40% instead of 50% and then going on to have a happy life is victory.

WellWhoKnew · 22/11/2014 20:40

That's it. I interpreted it a bit differently though...

It was she who was vindicated not him and his 'righteous indignation'.

She has a life now free of fuckwittery - priceless.
She didn't let him get away with it and accept it. She had to endure the whole nine yards, and do a final hearing. It would have been pure hell for her (if I can project a little here).
^He got hammered (without the need for gin) by a judge.

Masters of the universe? Only in their world.

I just hope Mrs Colbourne is happy.

I have now started the counting down the weeks until I am single, rather than the time since he departed.

It wasn't too long ago that I couldn't bear the idea of being divorced. When I didn't believe I could be happy ever again. It's still no walk in the park by any means. I still am scared of the future. I still am hurt. I still am suffering the consequences of his departure, and the loss of my life I knew it.

But I now know I AM going to be okay. Just taking it one day at a time. No more, no less.

And staying clear of voodoo dolls...

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nauticant · 22/11/2014 21:07

People like Mr Colborne are heavily invested in waging a lifelong war against their partners for having the temerity to stand up to them. Once the partner has got a settlement that's decent even if not the full entitlement, and can then move on, this drives the Mr Colborne's of this world into an impotent fury they'll carry around with them until the day they die.

nauticant · 22/11/2014 21:08

I despair at my rogue apostrophe.

mummyof2munchkins · 22/11/2014 22:45

WWK - you are a fantastic writer and I have enjoyed following lurking your escalation out of despair into the amazing queen of the occult. I bow to your power Grin

I really hope the doll makes the fucker scream in fear.

Ok I have a secret plan, have you considered how scary it sounds when young children sing - my 3 yr old sings in the middle of the night in the most terrifying voice (think omen style), freaks us all out. I've often thought of hiring her out for horror films. Just let me know if you need her, she's especially available around 5am on a Sunday morning, she has long blonde hair and walks around the house singing in her sleep, it'll totally freak the fucker out. You just need to plan a way of breaking into his house. Let me know when your side is sorted.

I hope others following this tread trully appreciate the earlier reference to "you remind me of a man" from "the bacherlor and the bobbysoxer" - or "Bachelor Knight" as it was known in the UK (outs herself as a CG geek). Hats off to any fellow Cary Grant geeks. Now he was a man who was not a fuckwit, I hope WWK your next encounter is more like Cary Grant (assuming the horrible rumours are not true and the on screen character is real!!!!).

Now back to the wine to help me sleep through my anticipated walking dead encounter in a few hours.

Thumbwitch · 22/11/2014 23:52

Acrossthepond - those lyrics are almost the same as the Magic Dance by Bowie in Labyrinth, except it's a baby, not a man:
"Magic Dance" (1986)

You remind me of the babe
What babe? babe with the power
What power? power of voodoo
Who do? you do
Do what? remind me of the babe

Didn't know he'd snaffled them from an earlier film/song! Cheeky git. Grin

WWK - I think you'll be ok; yes the doll does come supplied with its own special pins, but if he starts fiddling around with them, then it'll be HIS fault if anything bad happens to him, won't it. After all, he can't prove that it was meant for him - you might have a friend who is going through a divorce, and you bought it for her, for all he knows! Halloween Grin

WellWhoKnew · 23/11/2014 00:25

Nope, Thumb, I am going to correct you.

It will be my fault, because I supplied the pins...

It will be my fault he opened up the parcel...

It will be my fault for buying stuff.

It will be my fault for not checking the address.

It is always my fault.

'Cos I is the evil Queen WWK.

And he is the faultless one.

Apparently.

But all the same, I am the "hysterical" woman.

Who actually has pissed herself laughing about this...

It only took two days!

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Thumbwitch · 23/11/2014 00:29

Oh good, I'm so glad that the humour of it finally got you! Grin

But yes, of course in his eyes it will be All Your Fault - just here in the sane world on planet normal, it will be his.

Evil Queen, eh? Like this one? Wink

Dear NSTBXH
WellWhoKnew · 23/11/2014 00:34

Impose blond hair

With a face more similar to a woman who has a wee leakage issue.

And that will make me readily identifiable.

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Holdthepage · 23/11/2014 12:21

Obviously the voodoo doll was purchased as a joke Xmas present for a friend who is going through an acrimonious divorce, like....... Well you know who. Never ever admit that you bought it for yourself. Once that fact is established you can be rightly outraged if he opens it. I think any decent SHL could probably use it against him in a court of law if required.

ptumbi · 23/11/2014 17:15

It's not illegal to open post not addressed to you - unless you intend to use it fraudulently or malevolently. (Think that may cover voodoo dolls, or as ATM calls it, a woodoo doll... Grin)
did you get Karenthetoadslayer to knit it? Grin Did it come with a droopy dick? Will he recognise it?

Karenthetoadslayer · 23/11/2014 20:48

No time for knitting now, I'm off to the garage where I store all of Toad's mail (as he refuses to redirect it) and open it all - I promise I will not use it malevolently nor fraudulently. Grin

Karenthetoadslayer · 23/11/2014 20:56

Anyway, when is the estimated arrival time?

ATM I would typically write woodoo, if I don't pay attention, or wodka, for example. Smile

WellWhoKnew · 23/11/2014 22:49

You can just see how this is going to go in court, can't you?

shb: And was there any domestic violence in your marriage?

WWK: Yes, I once kneed him in the balls when I was asleep.

shb: Any other acts?

WWK: I tried to order a Woodoo Voodoo doll, but unfortunately I sent it to the wrong address.

shb: So will you agree that Mr Snowy Whitey, who, on receipt of your heinous crime played with it, sticking a pin into his heart, rendering him with a HEART CONDITION FROM WHICH HE IS GOING TO IMMINENTLY DROP DOWN DEAD, is a direct result of your bad conduct in divorce?

WWK: No.

shb: So you don't agree that he can have all the assets from the marriage, because this man does not have long to live because of your actions?

WWK: No.

shb: Are you usually unreasonable?

WWK: Yes. Apparently.

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Thumbwitch · 23/11/2014 22:53

Yes, well I think we can cover the "intent to use malevolently" quite nicely with Mr Master of the Universe, eh Ptumbi? Wink

Karen - went looking for your latest thread, couldn't find it, would you mind PMing me a link please? Thanks

WWK - did you really knee him in the balls while he was asleep? was it accidental?

WellWhoKnew · 23/11/2014 23:07

Yep. I will hold my hands up to that.

I was asleep. Clearly I hated him in my dreams as well.

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skyeskyeskye · 23/11/2014 23:08

WWK, sorry I've been laughing my head off at the voodoo doll. I hope it doesn't cause any problems. I second the suggestion that its a gift for a friend Grin.

Allergictoironing · 24/11/2014 08:05

You should be safe with the Voodoo doll. Most items for sale in the UK purporting to be "magic" are labelled that they are a game, and that may be a legal requirement. And even if that one isn't, he would have to state that he believes in the power of Voodoo for it to be a real threat to him Grin, would he really admit to that?

yougotafriend · 24/11/2014 09:26

I have ordered one for my friend who's STBXH is an utter twat and she screams "I want to stab him" at least 10 times a day.... I checked the address several times before checking out....

MrsC1969HJ · 25/11/2014 00:46

Still laughing....

WellWhoKnew · 25/11/2014 01:02

Me too.

All currently quiet....

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MrsC1969HJ · 25/11/2014 01:36

Good stuff...catch up later this week...had an interesting day with Mr WT's latest solicitor...don't we all love only half the story? Makes for a much more interesting interaction when you've been threatened with "defamation" and "harassment"..;-)

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