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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships 30

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CharlotteCollins · 10/08/2014 21:39

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CurtWild · 17/09/2014 16:30

No problem..go into twitter, click settings then click on your username then select 'tweet privacy' and voila, tweets are protected Smile

Mine aren't particularly thrilling tweets (think toddlers, food, cake haha) but I still don't want KD on there sticking his tuppence in Grin

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 17/09/2014 16:43

Thanks, I'll do that tonight. My twitter account is pretty barren because I didn't want him to be able to look at it.

sugarcoatedthorns · 17/09/2014 17:45

the words make a difference don't they Alice putting him into his biological frame Smile

yeah re 'friend' - i am suspicious that it might have been some time since you were actually 'friends', call me old fashioned but mmm Curt

sugarcoatedthorns · 17/09/2014 17:46

x-posted

CurtWild · 17/09/2014 20:37

Hmmmmm...you know when you just have a feeling something's a bit...off? I have it. Spidey senses tingling. Women's intuition. Or just being around a liar for a very long time.. KD called about ten minutes ago and said he was bushed, just calling to say a quick hi then shower and bed. I said ok, fine. And then in the background I SWEAR I heard a woman call his name twice, impatiently, like he was keeping them waiting. He has quite an obscure name so not something you hear every day.. Aanyywaayy.. He then mumbled something about being in the restaurant and it being noisy and got off the phone sharpish.

Now, I don't care if he's out for drinks or dinner or doing whatever, he's fully entitled to do that. But to call me and I think lie about what he's doing..totally unnecessary and has definitely got my back up. If he'd phoned and said he was out with work mates, I wouldn't have cared. Equally he didn't need to phone at all! But to phone and possibly lie about his evening is bizarre, considering he's trying to win back my trust Confused.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 17/09/2014 20:41

So basically, he's ringing to make sure that YOU are not out, while he's out. Hmm What a prat. He didn't last long, did he? What, two weeks?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 17/09/2014 20:43

The thing is Curt if you call him on the behaviour, he'll say "well, we're not technically together so I can do what I want..." but if he rings and you're not home, I'm willing to bet that he will want to know where you were and what you were doing and who you were out with... even though it's none of his business as you're not "together".

CurtWild · 17/09/2014 21:31

alice thing is I don't care if he's out, it's entirely up to him what he does. But to call and say he's calling it a night when clearly he isn't, that just takes the biscuit. And yes, it's definitely beginning to look like he's making sure I'm being 'the good little wife at home' whilst he pleases himself. He did say that putting his wedding ring back on meant he was officially not dating etc, which is his choice. I just don't like being lied to. Been there, done that.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 17/09/2014 21:51

Yep. I hear you. KD is almost certainly back with OW as he's not seen the dcs for almost a month and has pretty much dropped them again - same behaviour as last time. No thought to how they're doing or anything.

I mean obviously for me that means less hassle, but he sure as hell is not making any effort to pay maintenance, so obviously he doesn't feel the need to help support them either.

I'd be willing to bet that OW does not know the score either. Ah well, not my problem.

Curt I think that he is sliding back into his old routines pretty fast.

Bizkit · 19/09/2014 16:09

Sorry haven't been on in a while. Trying not to rock the boat at the moment as HE is under pressure with a family member just had an operation and asked me to back off after I emailed him to say I would be seeking legal advice ( doesn't care about my emotional breakdown and how certain pressures affect me ), so I have tried to plus it was my DD's birthday this week and party this weekend so trying to keep things calm, tension is building again though.

I have love twitter, have blocked fw on there but still have to be careful what I tweet as he can search me on the internet as my tweets are not protected (twitter isn't twitter if u protect your tweets imo) Wink

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/09/2014 18:40

ah, I have twitter, but rarely use it and tweets are protected. I just browse on it mostly. It's a bit out of my comfort zone.

maybesadie · 20/09/2014 03:37

Ugh. I've caught a nasty bug, can barely crawl out of bed. Being sick is the only time I feel weak, I want him, I miss him, I want to call him. Cried over him (which I've hardly done at all over the last month). Was so ill in the night, waking up, feverish, kept just wishing I had him there to make sure I was ok. Feeling so alone, keep thinking if it turned into an emergency I'd have no one to know, to check on me and help. He was so kind and caring when I was sick, more than any other time. I know that's probably just part of the rescuer/making me dependant thing, but right now I can't think logically, I want him here, I want him caring for me. I don't know if what is stopping me calling him is knowing it's a bad idea or being afraid he just wouldn't care.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 20/09/2014 06:45

sadie Hope you feel better soon. Can you ask a friend or family member to ring you later today just to make sure you're doing okay? I've done that - at least a little peace of mind that someone is checking on you.

I sat the dcs down last weekend and showed them how to ring 999 from my mobile and the house phone. Then I wrote out instructions along with our address and phone numbers on a piece of paper and put one by each phone, as my 8yo can read. He initially said "I know our address, so you don't need to write it." But I explained that it was helpful for the 5yo if he ever needed to ring, as he forgets the house number sometimes, and also that if you're scared, it can be hard to remember things - this way he doesn't have to.

But yes, I did feel sad as I had to explain to them that if mummy is ever hurt or sick and they cannot wake me up, or if there's a fire or mummy asks them to ring 999, they can do that. But it's just us, really, so it's important they know how to get help.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 20/09/2014 07:56

Interestingly, a friend of mine ran across KD on a dating site. No shock there, as I suspect he's signed up to every site on the planet. Hmm However, first of all - all signs show that he's back with OW, so I'm a bit puzzled. Unless, of course, she has already backed out again. He hasn't seen the dcs in a month now, and last time he was with her, he literally abandoned the dcs - NC at all.

Anyway, the interesting part is that this dating/singles site costs about £35 per month. Hmm And KD has specifically said he can't afford even £20 per month maintenance. You can see where my irritation lies here, although to be fair, I don't know why I'm surprised. Helping support the dcs has never been high on his list of priorities.

KouignAmann · 20/09/2014 10:05

Just passing by and dropped in to see how everybody is doing. I was the proud owner of the prototype FW many threads ago. I wanted to say Alice that every time I see KD I hear King Dick in my head. Makes me laugh every time.

My DC are grown and I let them manage their DF. This week he took them away for a few days and has missed the transport home "due to an unfortunate mix up" ahaha. bet they are giving him grief as they have stuff to do at home...
Not my responsibility any more. Hooray! It is probably still my fault though.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 20/09/2014 10:37

KouignAmann How funny - now every time I see KD, I will be thinking that and laughing as well. Grin So nice that you can let your DCs manage (and that they are able to). Does he still try to engage with you to stir up things? Or does he leave you alone now? Sorry, I'm nosey, but curious... it always seems to be related to the dcs with KD, so I wondered if it's that way for you as well.

sugarcoatedthorns · 20/09/2014 17:44

Alice please get your numbers/house flagged by the police, letting them know that are teaching thechildren how to ring 999 because of your fear of his actions. This means you will get instant /priority response time (believe me, it makes a huge diffference!), and have you let CSA know about his income/outgoings?

I do feel for you MaybeSadie its horrible to feel that alone that noone knows your feeling so bad and noone to just see if you are ok. Especially when there's DCs to look after when feeling so rough. I'm just checkng in to see how you are doing Wink Ihope you've managed a bit of rest, taking the tablets and hot lemon drinks (if its that kind of ill) - substitute for your own thing.

You have been around a long time on this thread then Kou, I've only known FW and that was way ago! - i was trying to fit similar type derogatory labels into KD too!

CharlotteCollins · 20/09/2014 18:51

KA, I now know how to pronounce your name - and what it means, thanks to GBBO! :o

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 20/09/2014 19:25

Charlotte well, clueless me didn't even connect the name to the GBBO, but thanks, as now I know how to pronounce it as well. Grin

Sugar to be fair, I was teaching them to dial 999 more because it's just them and me here, and if anything was to happen (illness, injury, fire) where I couldn't physically ring 999, I'd want them to be able to. Huge fear of them just being trapped in the house with an ailing or injured mum and no way to get help. Perils of being a lone parent.

ROUNDandROUNDINCIRCILESMORETHA · 20/09/2014 20:43

Hey ladies. Can i join. My friend recently pointed out i am being emotionally abused :( and deep down i think she's right :'(
i am going to get legal advice as this wk diagnosed with emotional stress from it all.....

KouignAmann · 20/09/2014 21:04

My day finally came thanks to GBBO! I love the sugary fatty little parcels of naughtiness Smile
I left my FW four years ago and posted then as Little House. I have now bought an Enormous House with my lovely DP and am very happy. The FW rarely bothers me but when we have conversations about supporting the DC he is always a nob. He earns three times what I do but expects me to contribute equally. Mediation did no good at all. He is deeply resentful that I have worked part time throughout our marriage in a professional career so I could run the house and support him and the DC. I helped in school, ran sports teams and took them to after school classes while he concentrated on his fantastically successful career. He really hates that I didn't go full time when I left him and am happy on a lower income with a less flashy lifestyle and local holidays. My DP has given up his job to run a little business he loves and is very happy.
I think FW is genuinely baffled by me!

CharlotteCollins · 20/09/2014 23:05

Oh don't worry, Alice, I didn't make the connection until I browsed the programme's website after watching the show. (Possibly slightly addicted!)

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CharlotteCollins · 20/09/2014 23:07

KA, your life sounds lovely. But FWs are all about show and showing off, aren't they!

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CharlotteCollins · 20/09/2014 23:09

Gah! Posting in one-liners today. Just a last one to say welcome to ROUND.

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KouignAmann · 20/09/2014 23:27

Yes hi to Round and welcome to the friendly place none of us want to join. You are starting on a long journey towards sunshine and warmth.

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