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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 23

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples' therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change:
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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betterthanever · 24/06/2013 21:52

You do right with the fool one step/day at a time advice (reminds self) - rethink tomorrow if it falls through. Great on having the docs and the removal van. I like the minimal look anyway - sick of all this crap in the house, it just creates work to look after it Grin a nice fresh start.
They must teach that broken man look at FW school. It's just like face of a thief being caught and put in the back on a police car.. he feels like that as a consequence of his own actions.

Bumpstarter · 24/06/2013 21:54

Blooming rose

Just one phrase... 'you are finished' don't forget. It is tempting to relegate horrible experiences to hard to access parts of our memories so that we don't continue to suffer from them. This is a survival strategy... An existence strategy. It does not help us with personal growth.

Good luck with the flat! Hope it, or similar are yours soon.

sweetpeasunday · 24/06/2013 21:56

better, can you please point me in the direction of the boundaries book you refer to?

rose, fingers crossed for you. It is horrible now but you are on the way to a better place.

FairyFi · 24/06/2013 21:56

'The smelling of roses' thing... FWs expend their entire energies making it appear so.. there are none better at it than them.

FairyFi · 24/06/2013 22:00

keep strong Rose

We have to stop our hearts going to them, to rescue them out of the mess they made. Is he worrying about how awful you have been feeling and trying so hard to lift you?

You will fly again, he is not a child and therefore not your responsibility. Only DC.

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betterthanever · 24/06/2013 22:40

bumpstarter what a great way to put it about relegating' what they do, sorry to ambush the support for rose - but that has enabled me to express why it has been so hard having to back through things to put my court case together because to move on with my life I had relegated those feelings to the back of my mind'
Rose I think we should put the full FW school curiculm together and then tick each one off and give them the certificate Smile and say goodbye.
sweatpea it is this one: www.amazon.co.uk/Boundaries-When-Take-Control-Your/dp/0310247454/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372109680&sr=1-2&keywords=boundaries+in+relationships hope that comes up i'm rubbish at doing links - it has a very Christian slant but whatever your religious views it still gives a lot of advice you can get past that.

minkembernard · 24/06/2013 23:31

thanks for the link. i am thinking maybe i need that book too.

pony yy to them never being happy with their endless needs and boundless entitlement.

i am getting on with my thread resolution and painting and decorating. have reclaimed some tunes that I thought were lost to sad memories.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/06/2013 06:05

Rose - why he was crying... cos mice and bats are scary to a man who can punch heads so hard he... well, you get the picture. Ridiculous.

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FairyFi · 25/06/2013 08:25

gosh Rose I can just hear the violin strains....

scared of bats and mice, really? that is hilarious ...

nice strength Rose go girl! xxx

ponygirlcurtis · 25/06/2013 09:39

Morning all, how are you today Rose? How is everyone else? Still haven't had a chance to catch up much, sorry, will try and do so later. But still sending you all massive hugs. xxxx

ColinButterfly · 25/06/2013 10:13

I think they smell of roses cos they nicked them from their partners' gardens, leaving them with thorny stems and nothing else

Charlotte I love this. So true.

Fortunately my family will tend to this and my roses will grow again. He'll just be left with the stems and dead petals.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/06/2013 12:21

I was thinking of something similar this morning to my rose-garden analogy; thought this was so witty when I was 14:

The rain, it raineth on the just
and on the unjust fella;
But chiefly on the just because
the unjust steals the just's umbrella.

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/06/2013 12:29

Grin love it Charlotte! And very true...

Love what you said as well Colin - that your hacked-back roses will bloom once again, having been properly tended with love and care, leaving FWs with just dead flowers. Love that image I have in my head now of FW with a handful of dead flowers and me skipping about a lovely bright garden!

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Funnyfishface · 25/06/2013 14:03

Bloomingrose - well done. That must be a weight off your shoulders hopefully sorting your accommodation.

Hugs to everyone else.

We went to our first relate session last night. Mmmmmmmmmmmm not sure how I feel really. Part of me was listening to h speak and wondered who he was talking about. It didn't seem like a realistic picture of us and our lives. When I did speak up he said that he thought I was attacking him and I was aggressive.
His list of things that are wrong are VERY different from mine.

bountyicecream · 25/06/2013 14:12

rose glad to hear you are feeling better. Sometimes sleeping on it does make things clearer. It sounds like you have quite a few options available and then surely something will sort itself out

FFF my H is the same. If I make a list of issues they are all minor things and then we end up talking about his (very different) list. I really doubt that you were in any way aggressive - just that he does not like and is not used to you speaking up.

I'm regrouping and restrengthening ready for the next battle. One thing I've done is search back for all my previous posts. My first post was on the EA thread no 10!!! (under a different name, and just sporadic posts). One thing that really struck me was how far I've come since then (jul 12). I was posting really naive things. And I posted things like 'surely if he was truly EA he would not be offering me a divorce'. Several people replied that he just didn't think I'd go through with it and was just threatening and guess what? They're right. Once I did say yes I'd like a divorce he back pedalled like mad. And there are loads of things where people have turned out right!!!!

The other thing I noticed was charlotte and pony wow, You both sound like different people now compared to back then :)

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/06/2013 14:14

:) Yes, it's been quite a year for all of us; and I think the next one is going to be just as eventful!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/06/2013 14:16

Rose, that sounds hopeful - and yay for getting excited about the course! Brilliant career choice!

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ScabbyHorse · 25/06/2013 14:42

Hi all. I've been meaning to post here for a while but haven't, so here goes. I believe my ex was- and is- EA. He twists things I say and he acts abusively towards me then says I was doing those things. He's been away and things have been settled but now he's back again I'm getting the old familiar feelings of panic and anxiety, can barely function. He was violent towards me while we were together and financially controlling.
I want to detach from his behaviour but I can't fully do this as he wants to see our ds this weekend.

ScabbyHorse · 25/06/2013 14:46

He says he wants to 'call up' today after work and I replied he has to call me by phone but am scared he'll try and call round my flat...I've told him we need to discuss ds's care but tbh I don't think it's a good idea for either of us to see him for a while.

minkembernard · 25/06/2013 15:54

scabbyhorse I am sorry he is back.

if you are really worried he will come to your house, can you be out?
also it is probably better if you get him to communicate by email.
that way it is in writing and he cannot gaslight you later. (although my FW still tries. sigh.)

if he insists on coming round try just saying no. no justification no explanation. just no. if you don't want to talk to him you don't have to. I know it sounds easier than it is but it is better than getting sucked into a situation that outs you off balance, which is what he wants.

tell him to email you instead.

he always has the option to sort things out through a solicitor if he wants. which at least means he does not have to speak to you directly and also delays when he will see your ds so you have some time to prepare.

in the meantime, offering you some support...and keep posting.