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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 23

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples' therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change:
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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sweetpeasunday · 24/06/2013 10:36

Handholding Rose, be clear and explict to the police about his threats. Glad someone is coming out. Second what mink says about telling people in RL and contacting WA. All the best Thanks.

ColinButterfly · 24/06/2013 10:37

I can't believe the police, I'm outraged. Please persist.

sweetpeasunday · 24/06/2013 10:37

Sorry, did not read your last post Sad

betterthanever · 24/06/2013 10:48

Rose I am so sorry to hear that he came back and that the police were not very helpful. I hope you have managed to speak to some professional services today to help you and I also hope he has not come back yet. Is there anyone in RL that could be in the house with you?

betterthanever · 24/06/2013 10:51

Sorry - x posts - he is back oh no... is there anyone in RL would can come round, I don't feel comfortable about him being there - but obviously not as uncomfortable as you must feel. At least if does anything you can call the police but the fact he is there must be so intimidating. I feel rubbish saying I am not sure what to do/suggest.

foolonthehill · 24/06/2013 11:31

just because he has a right to be in the house does not mean he has a right to be in your life....only you get to decide that. Keep going, you'll get rid. Call the police at any sign of trouble.

ponygirlcurtis · 24/06/2013 12:32

Morning all, haven't caught up at all yet, busy weekend, but just saw this and had to share it.

www.upworthy.com/a-brave-fan-asks-patrick-stewart-a-question-he-doesnt-usually-get-and-is-given-a-beautiful-answer?g=2

Rose have just briefly read the couple of posts above on the posting page, hope you are ok, don't know what's happened but sounds difficult. Holding your hand too, will catch up properly when I can.

FairyFi · 24/06/2013 12:36

go here Rose You might have to wait for a call back, but they will tell you what you need to do. Also do use WA to speak to about this as they can give you great advice on your specific situation.

I think if you ring 101 they might need to put you in touch with the 'Adult Proection' unit, rather than the regular police if they are dealing badly with it (as sounds).

... and speak to your landlord, or, as I think Mink, suggested, find yourself another rental and remove yourself from the tenancy agreement of this, bearing in mind that the landlord may well prefer you as the sole tenant, to the alternative, him, or loss of you both?

In the meantime, big Brew and big (((hugs))) xxx

bountyicecream · 24/06/2013 12:53

rose also wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you. My vote would be speaking to your landlord as I suspect he wouldn't like this man as a tenant on his own. Otherwise finding somewhere else seems like a sensible solution (and fresh start) and then in the future the police will be able to remove him when he turns up. (((hugs))) from me. Hope he goes soon.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/06/2013 16:30

'Course it has, Rose, don't worry. I'm sure it's been horrible. I hope you get a new place soon. That's great that his sister said that and she's in your new area, too. Like a safety net? Do you have a bag packed if you need to go suddenly?

That clip was lovely, pony. Brought tears to my eyes. I was thinking at the end what a supportive message to women who've been in his mother's situation and I tried to say to myself, "that's me, too." I've just had lunch with two lovely friends; we've not been able to catch up for a month or more and it was good to talk. They were pointing out how much he has affected me; I could see what they were saying but wouldn't've seen it myself. It's good having an outside perspective!

Y'know, I have days now where I feel very happy. The "weight off my shoulders" analogy makes sense to me. Or a dark cloud lifting. Sometimes, I just feel happy to be alive. Not much of the time yet, admittedly, but I'm hoping it's the light at the end of this tunnel I'm seeing.

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minkembernard · 24/06/2013 16:32

well done rose you are making progress and you are surviving. sometimes treading water is all we can manage. you have had a horrible 24 hours but:

you have taken a stand and signalled to him it is over
you have found a real life ally
you have come up with a plan (new place to live/SIL) and a fall back plan (hostel)
and you have alerted the police so they know to come quickly

I know it must seem horribly stressful and uncertain just now but these are big steps to gaining your freedom. ThanksBrew
try to get some rest if you can.

as far as SIL is concerned I don't know. obviously you know her better than me and she is a useful ally to have but maybe keep her in your back pocket. as if you went to stay at hers FW might feel he can walk in and out of there as he pleases as she is family. so you will need to assess whether you think she would barr the door to him if need be. if not then I would suggest keeping her on side but finding a flat r another friend asap. otoh she might have grown up around this and/or been through it and be more of a safe haven for it.

just musing sorry if it is unhelpful.

btw best make sure you secure all your documents just in case.
or is there any possibility of getting someone to come and stay?

ColinButterfly · 24/06/2013 16:41

rose everyone here is rooting from you. I hope you can gather every ounce of strength to make this final push. Don't let him take your energy completely, leave a little flicker inside xx

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foolonthehill · 24/06/2013 21:03

if you can remove yourself that is so much safer and easier too.

take care rose, we're all thinking of you./

ColinButterfly · 24/06/2013 21:25

In light of Blooming's post which is proper serious, I'd like a virtual kicking please.

Its been about two months since I last saw FW and we broke up and I found out about the OW/new victim. I feel a bit weird about how someone just walks out of your life like that but in a way, I am glad because look at what happens when they don't. I like the new me. I like not arguing with people. Love all the fun things I've done...dabbled with online dating, had a tattoo, had sex with a girl, sex with a manly man which was enjoyable though wished he'd not disappeared, booked a girls holiday, seen so much of my friends and family.

That said, I sit here in my pyjamas eating Rice Krispies straight from the box all alone. No Menz on the horizon. Online dating is soul destroying. One man on that whole site I fancied and I already slept with and was rejected by him...meanwhile FW is just having a wonderful time and it's not fair! Im the one that has been to hell and back! I should be having everything and he should have nothing. Im going to be recovering financially too for a while yet and i shouldnt be going away but i HAVE to have a break. I Know I need to get out of the bitter barn but how dare these FWs come up smelling of roses.

Rant over and proper apologies

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/06/2013 21:28

:( DD2 still thinks we're lovey-dovey, from that awful stage end of April, beginning of May when we'd just got back together. I guess she hasn't seen FW and me in the same room much since then... or perhaps it just made a big impression. She tells me she asked Daddy tonight why we're Blush kissing all the time and he said something about needing to prove he still loves me. Apparently, he also said she should get into her pyjamas before I came up to prove that he still loves me. Confused

All of them miserable or stroppy tonight about FW putting them to bed. I tried to keep a low profile but not too successfully. He seemed to lose interest abdicate all responsibility after a while. Old habits die hard...

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sweetpeasunday · 24/06/2013 21:35

The FWs may come up smelling of roses, but they are rotten to the core.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/06/2013 21:38

It's unfair, isn't it, Colin? Otoh, being single is a good thing. Being in a couple is, too (depending on the partner, obviously), but society recognises that, whereas it usually puts pressure on the single woman to find a man.

Having been with FW pretty much all my adulthood, I am looking forward to being single. Actually, I don't want any man ever to come near me again, so single is the only option to me! It occurred to me the other day that I might be able to teach my dds that it's possible to be single and happy, which could be a valuable lesson.

My musings are probably not much help, Colin, sorry!

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betterthanever · 24/06/2013 21:40

Well said sweetpea and well done rose here's to hoping they don't pay the deposit tomorrow, I think that is really good idea, if you can get in there fast. Have you got help lined up to move? get your vital documents together if you can. Hope every thing stays as calm as it can until then.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/06/2013 21:41

I think they smell of roses cos they nicked them from their partners' gardens, leaving them with thorny stems and nothing else.

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ponygirlcurtis · 24/06/2013 21:43

Colin, you may think that your FW is having a lovely time, but he's not, believe me. These FWs are all like my FW. And my FW will never be happy, no matter what goes right for him in his life.

Charlotte - it wont last. He will get bored of his act very soon.

rose hope you are doing ok. Sad

betterthanever · 24/06/2013 21:44

Charlotte I have been on my own for years and very happy - however reading the boundaries book has made me think I need to let more love in. I have a big social circle so I don't suffer with isolation in that sense. I always figured I would wait until DS was older to even contemplate it and I think that is still were I really sit. Time is not something I have a lot of, DS esp at the mo doesn't like being away from me and to keep the roof over our head I need the rest to work ... but never say never I say. Dc are not little for long I want to enjoy it.

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